General Akhtar abdur rahman

[emkhan]

Yeah they helped by helping themselves with the much needed help for the Afghan refugees and stealing weapons destined for the fighters and last but not least stealing the Afghan planes which came in with the pilots who deserted.

i can imagine you hate ANP more than "pak" army and isi.

what do you think of TTP?

Leave all other things aside what Pakistan did to you and all that. Because I know its an unending debate.
You asked about I hate anp more than anp and ISI. so I Tell you my own own uncle is mpa from our constituency and my family, I liked ANP as it always talked of the rights of Pukhtuns but now since they have come in power they have done nothing but humiliating and killing Pukhtuns and still supporting the army's operations in the area and pressurising army to operate in N.waziristan.
So the thing you have to understand is that these people just doing politics on the name of pukhtuns and filling their bank accounts and making properties in different countries. my own uncle has been in England for the last three years, only a month ago he went back and started inaugerating some projects Lol. just imagine people waited for him for three years. what would people think of ANP if he is disappear for three years. Is he doing something good for Pukhtuns ?
you asked about TTP.
So I like them when they kill pak army, ISI agents. Those who say TTP is ISI's sub group are stupids. I wish may Allah give them more power so that they kill more army and more ISI supporters. what else do you want from me lol?

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

You better get rid of Russian and Indian and now American Ideologies and their labels. and give up to their loyalties, we will be one no doubt. But these three forces are big hurdles in our unity. But unfortunately your love for India is more than the love for Pukhtuns. That is not acceptable to us.

I have come across and talked to many Pakistanis.

Listen, your people have been force fed a narrative and propaganda which is incredibly Indian centric. It defines your identity as a Pakistan. It gives meaning to your defence budgets. It has everything to do with who you are...anti Indianism.

The brainwashing has interfered with logic. Us Pakhtuns have NO QUARREL whatsoever with Indians. We have no beef AT ALL with them.

The Pakistani/Indian quarrel is STRICTLY an Inter Indian affair. Partition effected only the Punjab and Bengal. It had NOTHING to do with Pakhtanah, but as a result the division of OUR LAND was institutionalized, OUR MEN were sent to Kashmir to fight, OUR PEOPLE are promoted as the strength of the Pakistani nation, for a FIGHT that has NOTHING TO DO WIITH US.

If anything, INDIANS should HATE US. We invaded them historically and ruled them, and yet they have no specific issue with us. They supported PADSHAH KHAN, the Pakis imprisoned him.

There are more Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan than Afghanistan. Pakistan was formerly INDIA. Pakistan speaks an INDIAN language. Pakistan is virtually INDISTINGUISHABLE from India, so with all due respect, WHO THE FUKK ARE YOU to talk to us about "Indian" influence?

Now, lets talk about "foreign influence". First, Pakistan was a colonized state that was created by the British. The Union Jack flew over LAHORE and KARACHI not Kabul or Qandahar. Your leaders, your systems, etc everything was foreign. So please please please, when you smell like urine dont point at our pants.

Second, the ONLY REASON Afghanistan turned to the Soviets, was because they were the only ones who were willing to back Afghanistan over the Pashtunistan issue; Now, I have spoken before on the flaws of Afghanistans Pashtunistan policy and the errors of the Muhamadzais. But, the only reason we turned to the Soviets was because the Americans were already backin the Pakistanis (Baghdad Pact etc)

It was our support for Pashtunistan that forced us to seek Soviet support, and it was this Pashtunistan policy which forced Pakistan to be actively hostile against us. We all know how this history turned out.

I truly wished, we stopped giving a shiit about those east of the Durand. We should focused on our damn selves. Afghanistan fought for Pashtunistan and we got proper proper FUKKED as a result.

Lar Pashtuns OVERWHELMINGLY wish to be apart of PAKISTAN. We should respect and acknowledge their decision. We should wish them the best. We should maintain cultural ties. But thats it. Our focus should be ENTIRELY on building our Bar Pakhtun side up.

50 years from now when the Pakistani state collapses, we need to be in a position where we are AT LEAST on the same level economically as Lar Pakhtunkhwa, but with the mechanism to rule and administer a Pakhtun state, which can only come from our side.

[emkhan]

I have come across and talked to many Pakistanis.

Listen, your people have been force fed a narrative and propaganda which is incredibly Indian centric. It defines your identity as a Pakistan. It gives meaning to your defence budgets. It has everything to do with who you are...anti Indianism.

The brainwashing has interfered with logic. Us Pakhtuns have NO QUARREL whatsoever with Indians. We have no beef AT ALL with them.

The Pakistani/Indian quarrel is STRICTLY an Inter Indian affair. Partition effected only the Punjab and Bengal. It had NOTHING to do with Pakhtanah, but as a result the division of OUR LAND was institutionalized, OUR MEN were sent to Kashmir to fight, OUR PEOPLE are promoted as the strength of the Pakistani nation, for a FIGHT that has NOTHING TO DO WIITH US.

If anything, INDIANS should HATE US. We invaded them historically and ruled them, and yet they have no specific issue with us. They supported PADSHAH KHAN, the Pakis imprisoned him.

There are more Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan than Afghanistan. Pakistan was formerly INDIA. Pakistan speaks an INDIAN language. Pakistan is virtually INDISTINGUISHABLE from India, so with all due respect, WHO THE FUKK ARE YOU to talk to us about "Indian" influence?

Now, lets talk about "foreign influence". First, Pakistan was a colonized state that was created by the British. The Union Jack flew over LAHORE and KARACHI not Kabul or Qandahar. Your leaders, your systems, etc everything was foreign. So please please please, when you smell like urine dont point at our pants.

Second, the ONLY REASON Afghanistan turned to the Soviets, was because they were the only ones who were willing to back Afghanistan over the Pashtunistan issue; Now, I have spoken before on the flaws of Afghanistans Pashtunistan policy and the errors of the Muhamadzais. But, the only reason we turned to the Soviets was because the Americans were already backin the Pakistanis (Baghdad Pact etc)

It was our support for Pashtunistan that forced us to seek Soviet support, and it was this Pashtunistan policy which forced Pakistan to be actively hostile against us. We all know how this history turned out.

I truly wished, we stopped giving a shiit about those east of the Durand. We should focused on our damn selves. Afghanistan fought for Pashtunistan and we got proper proper FUKKED as a result.

Lar Pashtuns OVERWHELMINGLY wish to be apart of PAKISTAN. We should respect and acknowledge their decision. We should wish them the best. We should maintain cultural ties. But thats it. Our focus should be ENTIRELY on building our Bar Pakhtun side up.

50 years from now when the Pakistani state collapses, we need to be in a position where we are AT LEAST on the same level economically as Lar Pakhtunkhwa, but with the mechanism to rule and administer a Pakhtun state, which can only come from our side.

Now you have accepted that pukhtunkhwa pukhtuns are happy with Pakistan, even your ANP who used to say something else when they were not in power Lol.
if ANP really wanted to do something in that regard they would really do it because they are in power and they could do a lot but they did not do nothing.
You should not talk about the past that your ancestors did this and did that, they did their job in a very good way well done.
But now see what pukhtuns are doing at your side and at our side ? I think their elders are sold agents to America, India, Russia and even ISI.
I am not talking about you or myself, may be our thinking is different but we should talk about those who are ruling us leading us.

You also accepted that "the ONLY REASON Afghanistan turned to the Soviets, was because they were the only ones who were willing to back Afghanistan over the Pashtunistan issue" so it was your mistake, if you invite the outsiders to solve your issues then such things will happen. Then who to complain and why to cry and cry ?

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

You also accepted that "the ONLY REASON Afghanistan turned to the Soviets, was because they were the only ones who were willing to back Afghanistan over the Pashtunistan issue" so it was your mistake, if you invite the outsiders to solve your issues then such things will happen. Then who to complain and why to cry and cry ?

well nothing else couldve solved the issue. they had to turn to foreigners. i think it was a mistake, but i understand why they did what they did.

Lar Pakhtuns should feel sad that as a result of their needs, Bar Pakhtuns fuked themselves. But we get reactions like yours, which says "why did u go to foreigners in the first place".

[emkhan]

well nothing else couldve solved the issue. they had to turn to foreigners. i think it was a mistake, but i understand why they did what they did.

Lar Pakhtuns should feel sad that as a result of their needs, Bar Pakhtuns fuked themselves. But we get reactions like yours, which says "why did u go to foreigners in the first place".

This is a blame game from both the sides but the reality is that we don't have sincere leaders or masharaans. If we had we would not be in such situation.
Blaming pakistan or Afghanistan will not make any good to our people but we should make our own pukhtuns strong. The day we stood on our own feet, nobody will be able to interfere in our personal matters. For the time being, the reality is that Afghanistan is influenced by non Pashtoon elements and ideologies and Pukhtunkhwa is also influenced by non Pashtoon elements and ideologies.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

This is a blame game from both the sides but the reality is that we don't have sincere leaders or masharaans. If we had we would not be in such situation.
Blaming pakistan or Afghanistan will not make any good to our people but we should make our own pukhtuns strong. The day we stood on our own feet, nobody will be able to interfere in our personal matters. For the time being, the reality is that Afghanistan is influenced by non Pashtoon elements and ideologies and Pukhtunkhwa is also influenced by non Pashtoon elements and ideologies.

I agree and again I am not absolving Afghanistan of any blame. I think the Royal Family was for the most part useless. Its also our very character as a tribalistic society that brought about our down fall.

we need to be realistic moving forward. we cant be concerned with the lar side anymore. those days are done. lets focus on our own side first. its for the betterment of our people over all

[gadoonwal]

.The man name akhtar abdurahman was an indain mahajar with roots to afghan ancesters.Born in peshawar to indain parents.He was mahajar and not pashtun.
He was a loyal servant of punjabi establishment and enemy of pashtun unity.
Many afghan leaders like gul badeen or budin,masood,khalis,nabi,khaqani etc were his pupets.
It is interesting the leaders afghan-pashtun followed today are still paid ISI sevants .
Even karzai was ISI agent.They should ask their leaders why are they loyal ISI servants.
What makes me laugh when the supporters of gulbudin and mula omar calling names to pakistan .

[emkhan]

Gadoonwal, thats what I am saying. But they don't see agents among themselves and always point on others.

[graveyardofempires]

a couple of fake paki propaganda pieces which are used by the fradulent Pashtunistan gang (peopel who think Pashtuns are yet to have their own country and are anti the name Afghanistan) is that Afghan mujahideen were isi agents,this very info is channeled to them through the very isi and paki government.

just to support their own seculer agenda they will make various things up such as "isi made TTP and sent it in pukhtun areas and later came to clean them up" lol
or that "Taliban in AFG wrok for isi" the second one is also propagated by the failed leaders of Afghanistan such as karzai who himself is puppet of foreign invaders so to divert the attention he tries to blame it on isi and pakistan while pakistan is blaming karzai for being in bed with Indians,Pakistan also says that "Pashtuns from waziristan are raw agents and after checking their genitiles they gounf out they were indian agents."these are all nothing but diversions to save their own asses.

Gulbudin was no agent matter of fact he was admired by pakis (known cowards and slaves).Only people who are anti Pashtuns will call Pashtuns agents of isi(again to supprt their own agenda which might be different than mainstream pukhtane).

even karzai is isi agent?maybe partener in crime since karzai is a puppet of the foreign invaders and isi is also agents of the same invaders we can say karzai and isi are both working for the foreign invasion of Afghanistan,and thats about it.

[graveyardofempires]

Leave all other things aside what Pakistan did to you and all that. Because I know its an unending debate.

Actually pakistan hasnt done so much bad against us in Afghanistan than they have done to you in pukhtunkhwa.

You asked about I hate anp more than anp and ISI. so I Tell you my own own uncle is mpa from our constituency and my family, I liked ANP as it always talked of the rights of Pukhtuns but now since they have come in power they have done nothing but humiliating and killing Pukhtuns and still supporting the army's operations in the area and pressurising army to operate in N.waziristan.

ANP arent such bad people as you make them to be,they are victims of the situation and it is people such as you who have made them the way they are.They had the balls to say on national tv that they cant deny themselves their Afghan identity and they are Afghans.
The humiliating and killing is done by isi and army and if you cant blame them what right do you have to blame ANP?
ANP itself is under pressure and threatend by paki establishment and their phatans.

So the thing you have to understand is that these people just doing politics on the name of pukhtuns and filling their bank accounts and making properties in different countries. my own uncle has been in England for the last three years, only a month ago he went back and started inaugerating some projects Lol. just imagine people waited for him for three years. what would people think of ANP if he is disappear for three years. Is he doing something good for Pukhtuns ?
well when i took part in this durand jirga there was also this guy from ANP who held a speech about history and pukhtunkhwa and he also lives in Germany so he is doing something for his people by telling them truth.Why should people be waiting for others to help them,why not help themselves?since the control is in the hands of Punjab and some pro punjabi phatans ANP people are left with not much options.
you asked about TTP.
So I like them when they kill pak army, ISI agents. Those who say TTP is ISI's sub group are stupids. I wish may Allah give them more power so that they kill more army and more ISI supporters. what else do you want from me lol?

OK

so what about Afghan taliban(both are Afghan afterall)?
do you think they are isi agents?