Questions and concerns regarding Pakistani Demographics of Afghan Race.

[Nick]

Most Pakistanis see the topic automatically will claim and say. "Oh My god you can't say that" Or someone will respond what you mean by Race? there is no Afghan, or Some-one will respond. Yes Pakistan has 2.5 million Afghan race and we will kick them out of our land. etc etc

I purposely have chosen the word "Race" and yes from many aspects Afghan can be a Race. It all depends to what Race means to you.

We are going to look at this very carefully, in order to understand the subject, and controversy behind all this. First of all it is very important for all to know the history behind its ethnic groups, specially Pashtuns and Baloch whom at once were part of Afghanistan, till this no Pashtun with true Pashtun/Afghan Blood has ever said "We accept as our Nation". If they ever did the world of Pakistani politics were far to be different from it modern Politics. If Pashtuns ever accepted Pakistan, non of bloodshed would of taken place against Pakistan, which started ince 2004. Needless to Say Pakistan has a history of conflict with its Pashtun population, as early as 1950s which was peace thanks to Bacha Khan, and again in 1970s in which for the first time in history of Pakistan, its order and control reached beyond Peshawar, into Quetta, Chitral, Darya-e-Ismail Khan and etc. Before 9/11 Pakistan tried many things in making sure that either they have full control of Pashtunistan, if at at least take control of their open enemy "Afghanistan".

Amongst many deals since 1950s with Afghanistan, the unsuccessful deal with Taliban in 1999 finally concluded that signing off Durand Line is not an easy task, hopeless they remain, concluded that unity of these people was to be a must. The unity of Pashtun means taking over Afghanistan, unity with Islamists, something which Pakistan can relay on, and plans were layered and was soon to be finished within few years. Thinks changed for Pakistan in 2000 and that concern of USA invasion and pre-plan secret of using Pakistan has a based was soon released. In rush plans were changed in 2001. After 9/11 Pakistan saw that this one shot one opportunity has again made a U turn in which Pakistan was to play another history major role in the history of Afghanistan.

It took Pakistan 3 years to convince Pashtuns that America is attacking Afghan and will soon be inside Pakistan NWFP and therefore Pakistan forces must be given allowance by the tribes and people to operate in order to protect the tribes. Very clever this mean making border post, something which even British never thought of achieving. In 2004, 75 border posts were made, and since then so far some 200 posts have been made in 2006 Pakistan even tried to make a real border "Berlin Wall of Germany". Noticed the backlash Pakistan withdrew its plan in 2008. Prior to 9/11 Pakistani government made had no control over 60% of NWFP, but now Pakistan has almost 70% control of NWFP and 40% of FATA. According to Pakistani politicians all of Pakistan will be under firm control of by 2015.

Back to subject what is the percentage of Pashtuns in Pakistan. At the success of Peace talks with Amir of Afghanistan British general concluded now we have 1/2 of Afghanistan's land, and 1/4 of its population.
Well in the early 1880s British officers counted total Population of Afghanistan to be 7.5 million by 1898 NWFP to be 2.5 million which means Afghanistan by itself was now fewer 6 million. In 1940s Bacha Khan's claim was that there were 3 million Pathans in Pakistan. His speech was famous in which he differed Pathans from Hindu Muslims of Pakistan in general. By 1950s Afghanistan population doubled which means it was now around 12 million, which did not changed until a new estimate by Russian in 1960-70s.
The First Pakistani Census came in 1950s. For the first time a true census was provided in Pakistan, this was one of its kind. In that Census Pashtun population was rounded to be 8 Percent. You do the calculation, 8% of 40 million turns out 3.2 million or so. Very close to What BAcha khan said, maybe an increase by 200,000 within 10 years.

So Afghanistan has a population of 12 million and here in Pakistan we have a population of 3 million. Which seems British was correct Afghanistan lost 25% of its Population and 1/2 of its Land. Which many westerners mistaken as simply dividing Afghanistan's Population and Land. That claim is incorrect, Afghanistan did not loss 50% of its population to British, but rather 50% of its land.


So What happened in the future, how is it that now Pakistan claims to have more Pashtun in Pakistan then in Afghanistan. Lets Assume the Pashtun population of Afghanistan in late 1990s estimates was 47%, 14 million, and due to many Afghan refugees into Pakistan, and Pakistan just simply cheated and entered Refugees as part of their own population to make an increase in Pakistan's Pashtun population which turned out 16 million OK fine Lets Admit up to here we have 50-50 so Pakistan has the same number of Pashtuns as Afghanistan. But really think about how Pakistan do their census. Anyways in 2004 they claimed Pakistan is home of Pashtuns because it has double number of Pashtuns compare to Afghanistan, which means that today Afghanistan being 33 million home to 16 million, and here Pakistan has some more than 30 million Pashtuns? And yet Since 50s until now Percentage of Balochis remains same where as Pashtuns according to Pakistan has doubled?
WOw Amazing
So here we are trying to fight out that Pashtuns in Pakistan are lossing their culture, language etc and have poets coming from Afghanistan in making sure Pashtun remains as Pashtuns. Here Pakistan claims Pashtu speakers are doubled?

Seriously guys Don't joke

Right now Pakistan at Maximum 17 million Pashtuns included all of Afghan refugees not just in NWFP but in all of Pakistan.

If you still want to argue for 26 or 36 million then fine you fine with your naive mentality, but if you agree that there is something fishy in Pakistan's demographic census and further wants to add please go on.
If you are one of those Punjabis who still claim of "Pakistan home of Pashtun" despite what's been happening today. Please make us laugh.

Afghanistan is home of Pashto and this is a fact, Pashtu speaker makeup 47-55% of Afghanistan, and racially speaking Afghan is a dominated Race in Afghanistan if not by 80 for sure by 75%.

I would like to believe that if it wasn't for the Russian war today Afghanistan would of had double the number of Pashtun in Pakistan.
So please people act smart and idiotically don't claim Pashtuns being double in a foreign land, because that's what ISI wants us to believe. Look at the facts.

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Pakistan has more than 17 million pashtuns peera..and NWFP (khyber pashtunkhwa) is not the only pashtun province. Pashtuns are half of Balochistan (Quetta and North aka Janubi pashtunistan), FATA, and Mianwali/Attock. This boosts their numbers to a good 20-30 million. It is known that in pure numbers Pashtunkhwa has more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, but in Afghanistan we wield the majority. 30 million pashtuns is a lot but in terms of Pakistan, we are a minority, but in Afghanistan 15 million makes a good majority or at least half. I don't see the point of your post. You are just shooting your own people in the foot, but trying to dwindle their numbers on one side to prove some flawed logic. So what, if there are more Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa than Afghanistan, that doesn't change the fact that Afghanistan is the loy kor of Pashtuns.

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

From the looks of it, whoever wrote this junk aspires to be a propaganda indoctrinator along the steps of good old Heimrich himmler, however short of experience and good logic ends about making a complete idiot of himself.

whoever is paying you, theyr'e wasting good money.

Most Pakistanis see the topic automatically will claim and say.

what a nice NEUTRAL un biased way to start a research article. Mr automatic !!!

His speech was famous in which he differed Pathans from Hindu Muslims of Pakistan in general.

hindu Pakistani? or is it your'e hate manifesting itself? have made a new term have? (laughable at best), misnomer, historically inaccurate, out of touch with reality.

Very close to What BAcha khan said, maybe an increase by 200,000 within 10 years.

Now you know population growth dynamics??!!! nice, where did you learn that from? an internet degree perhaps? put to pure science buddy, makes it laughable.

Afghanistan did not loss 50% of its population to British, but rather 50% of its land.

Correction: The British divided the Pushtun Land into 3 pieces, and divided the populace into a multitude of groups, because it was the Afghans who had actually ever given the British a whopping.

and Pakistan just simply cheated and entered Refugees as part of their own population to make an increase in Pakistan's Pashtun population

yes really wise brainy scientist!!! with millions of refugees coming they the Pakistanis would rather not indulge themselves in the millions of dollars of foreign aid (which is a fact) but would rahter become dumb and make them indigenous, something which they havent done for the Bengalis in Pakistan since 1971, FOR WHAT GAIN? really laughable statement, LOL.

But really think about how Pakistan do their census.

Yes I mean! how can they? poor people, even though they have a populace of 180 million with a consensus every so few years BUT NO MR NICK IS MUCH BETTER AT IT THAN THEN. Oooooo!

Anyways in 2004 they claimed Pakistan is home of Pashtuns because it has double number of Pashtuns compare to Afghanistan,

Oooo 2004? did they also say the are martians? any links, proofs from neutral sources or IS THE WORD OF NICK enough? comeon dude!!

And yet Since 50s until now Percentage of Balochis remains same where as Pashtuns according to Pakistan has doubled?
WOw Amazing

Balochistan is a barren wasteland, has no water, no wonder Alexander the Great lost 3/4th of his army there. Khyber on the other hand is as fertile as the great plains or the Nile delta. But how can an armchair philosopher know that?

So here we are trying to fight out that Pashtuns in Pakistan are lossing their culture, language etc

Ohhh! hows that MR NICK? I aint seein no Afghan losing his culture? even though I actually have BEEN THERE unlike someone else !!!!
pathetic arguments!! man!! there are more Pushto book, magazine publications then ever before, TV Radio Pushto Channels, an on an on.

and have poets coming from Afghanistan in making sure Pashtun remains as Pashtuns.

man this really shows you live in a parallel reality. LOL!!

Seriously guys Don't joke

No! how can we even dare! since you ARE SO GOOD AT THAT!!

Right now Pakistan at Maximum 17 million Pashtuns included all of Afghan refugees not just in NWFP but in all of Pakistan.

All you guys MUST believe him since he has actually checked each house himself !!! lol , look at the noob usage of "AT MAXIMUM" , DUDE!!! your'e just too much !!!

If you still want to argue for 26 or 36 million then fine you fine with your naive mentality,

So sayeth NICK THE NON NAIVE WISE OF ALL.

I would like to believe that if it wasn't for the Russian war today Afghanistan would of had double the number of Pashtun in Pakistan.

and I would rather go on an just say the TRUTH, HAD it not been for the MASSACRES by the British, and now by their offspring, had it not been for the meddling of the WHITIES!!! we Afghans would have just been fine!!!

BUT NOW YOU DIVIDED US ALL, AND NOW YOU ARE PLAYING THE PIOUS POPE!!

So please people act smart and idiotically don't claim Pashtuns being double in a foreign land,

Guys he uses the FOREIGN word, foreign???? had he a little bit of know how about our history he would have know what land to call foreign and what to not call so. Truly pathetic.

because that's what ISI wants us to believe.

Aaah! atlast!! so now we know WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE BEHIND this whole waste of my time self made charade by a naive kid thinking of himslef as the soopa keul armchair philosopher.

Whoever is spending money on you NICK! my dear! are wasting their money.
Go play something else.

PS: the arguments here are so absurd and naive that even being an Afghan and fantasizing so, would still not give me bakc the time he the OP made me waste on this. Hey Nick! remember, we Afghans can now actually think and write, so now it would be a bit difficult for your'e old tactics to work on us my dear friend.

[Nick]

Pakistan has more than 17 million pashtuns peera..and NWFP (khyber pashtunkhwa) is not the only pashtun province. Pashtuns are half of Balochistan (Quetta and North aka Janubi pashtunistan), FATA, and Mianwali/Attock. This boosts their numbers to a good 20-30 million. It is known that in pure numbers Pashtunkhwa has more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, but in Afghanistan we wield the majority. 30 million pashtuns is a lot but in terms of Pakistan, we are a minority, but in Afghanistan 15 million makes a good majority or at least half. I don't see the point of your post. You are just shooting your own people in the foot, but trying to dwindle their numbers on one side to prove some flawed logic. So what, if there are more Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa than Afghanistan, that doesn't change the fact that Afghanistan is the loy kor of Pashtuns.

So you are trying to say Pakistan has more Afghans then Afghanistan?

Again talk of facts, remember I am talking Pashtuns, not fake Khans, true Khan, but rather those whom are associated with Afghan race. in the whole nation who considers their mother tongue to be Pashtu, don't bring up fake Pashtuns. Pashtuns are not more then 9% of total Pakistani population this is a fact which I often say is not less then 8%.

However you may view this fact from Pakistani census on your own time.
Rank Language 1998 census 1982 census 1961 census 1951 census 1 Punjabi* 44.15% 48.17% 66.39% 67.08% 2 Pashto 15.42% 13.15% 8.47% 8.16% 3 Sindhi 14.1% 11.7% 12.59% 12.85% 4 Saraiki 10.53% 9.54% -- -- 5 Urdu 07.57% 07.60% 07.57% 07.05% 6 Balochi 03.57% 03.02% 02.49% 03.04%

[Nick]

From the looks of it, whoever wrote this junk aspires to be a propaganda indoctrinator along the steps of good old Heimrich himmler, however short of experience and good logic ends about making a complete idiot of himself.

whoever is paying you, theyr'e wasting good money.



what a nice NEUTRAL un biased way to start a research article. Mr automatic !!!



hindu Pakistani? or is it your'e hate manifesting itself? have made a new term have? (laughable at best), misnomer, historically inaccurate, out of touch with reality.



Now you know population growth dynamics??!!! nice, where did you learn that from? an internet degree perhaps? put to pure science buddy, makes it laughable.



Correction: The British divided the Pushtun Land into 3 pieces, and divided the populace into a multitude of groups, because it was the Afghans who had actually ever given the British a whopping.



yes really wise brainy scientist!!! with millions of refugees coming they the Pakistanis would rather not indulge themselves in the millions of dollars of foreign aid (which is a fact) but would rahter become dumb and make them indigenous, something which they havent done for the Bengalis in Pakistan since 1971, FOR WHAT GAIN? really laughable statement, LOL.



Yes I mean! how can they? poor people, even though they have a populace of 180 million with a consensus every so few years BUT NO MR NICK IS MUCH BETTER AT IT THAN THEN. Oooooo!



Oooo 2004? did they also say the are martians? any links, proofs from neutral sources or IS THE WORD OF NICK enough? comeon dude!!



Balochistan is a barren wasteland, has no water, no wonder Alexander the Great lost 3/4th of his army there. Khyber on the other hand is as fertile as the great plains or the Nile delta. But how can an armchair philosopher know that?



Ohhh! hows that MR NICK? I aint seein no Afghan losing his culture? even though I actually have BEEN THERE unlike someone else !!!!
pathetic arguments!! man!! there are more Pushto book, magazine publications then ever before, TV Radio Pushto Channels, an on an on.



man this really shows you live in a parallel reality. LOL!!



No! how can we even dare! since you ARE SO GOOD AT THAT!!



All you guys MUST believe him since he has actually checked each house himself !!! lol , look at the noob usage of "AT MAXIMUM" , DUDE!!! your'e just too much !!!




So sayeth NICK THE NON NAIVE WISE OF ALL.




and I would rather go on an just say the TRUTH, HAD it not been for the MASSACRES by the British, and now by their offspring, had it not been for the meddling of the WHITIES!!! we Afghans would have just been fine!!!

BUT NOW YOU DIVIDED US ALL, AND NOW YOU ARE PLAYING THE PIOUS POPE!!



Guys he uses the FOREIGN word, foreign???? had he a little bit of know how about our history he would have know what land to call foreign and what to not call so. Truly pathetic.



Aaah! atlast!! so now we know WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE BEHIND this whole waste of my time self made charade by a naive kid thinking of himslef as the soopa keul armchair philosopher.

Whoever is spending money on you NICK! my dear! are wasting their money.
Go play something else.

PS: the arguments here are so absurd and naive that even being an Afghan and fantasizing so, would still not give me bakc the time he the OP made me waste on this. Hey Nick! remember, we Afghans can now actually think and write, so now it would be a bit difficult for your'e old tactics to work on us my dear friend.

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His speech was famous in which he differed Pathans from Hindu Muslims of Pakistan in general

hindu Pakistani? or is it your'e hate manifesting itself? have made a new term have? (laughable at best), misnomer, historically inaccurate, out of touch with reality.

Did I write Hindu Pakistani, read before you argue, I didn’t say Hindustani something which could be applied to 85% of Pakistan, and nor I left the word “Hindu” by itself. Hindu Muslim is the word used by the early Islamic separates of India. Who are you to argue me wrong when the Books from 1920-1940s by the Muslim scholars themselves used this word upon referring to Muslims of India. Hindu-Muslim means those of Indian Islamic culture, and religion as Muslim. This maybe political since majority of Indians are Hindu and it was proper to refer to themselves as “Hindu-Muslims”. First of all Did you know Hindu has many meanings and its original root is dated right inside Pakistan. Have you forgotten that the word Hindu was Islamic version that derived from Pakistan and that originally it was Sindhu.
Made a new Term I am talking history dude not making this like Pak*is dude. Read Outlines of Islamic culture (Historical and Culture Aspects) By Shah Muhammad Ashraf, Publishers and Booksellers, Printed by Fine Art Printing Press in Lahore Pakistan at 7 Aibak road (new Anarkali) Printed 1976.

Now you know population growth dynamics??!!! nice, where did you learn that from? an internet degree perhaps? put to pure science buddy, makes it laughable.

The Reason I mention that because stats from 1951 was a different from 1940s an aged man BACHA Khan made his comments by saying 3 million and many Pak*is argue that Bacha Khan was only talking about those from NWFP only and that it was this and that, and they were themselves surprised that how could a population of 3 million reach’s 30 million within less then 70 years I say Damn right its laughable 70% how many generation is that? 100 years may give birth to 3 or max 4 generation, Ok fine even If we assume a Pakhtun couple gives birth of 5 children for continues 3 generation maybe its 15 million arguably.

yes really wise brainy scientist!!! with millions of refugees coming they the Pakistanis would rather not indulge themselves in the millions of dollars of foreign aid (which is a fact) but would rahter become dumb and make them indigenous, something which they havent done for the Bengalis in Pakistan since 1971, FOR WHAT GAIN? really laughable statement, LOL.

So you want to argue that Pakistan did was right. Ok Maybe, your argument is reasonable since they live in the country but don’t argue that Pakistan has accepted them as “Pakistanis” and that Pakistan spend foreign Aid over these Refugees, I have already made my argument with another Punjabi friend who in this form tried to scam that Pakistan lost 50 billion because of handling refugee crisis. BS. To the world Pakistan can say this to get more $$$ but anyways I presented my argument and you may look at. But just to include all the refugees as part of Government census, doesn’t make sense to accept them as Pakistani as well and not argue for extra $$$ which Pakistan does every year and claims that 2.5 million Afghans are still here, etc etc. I would rather as suggest Pakistan placing a note like the Iranians who argued that there were 500,000 Pashtuns in their country of which 150,000 were native and were present since Qajar’s era. At least Iran knew the meaning of Census.

Oooo 2004? did they also say the are martians? any links, proofs from neutral sources or IS THE WORD OF NICK enough? comeon dude!!

LOL Now I know you are to young cause you were way too young in 2004 but for me that was like yesterday. Yes I have been involved in Politics and watching news since 1996 so since then I didn’t missed a lot. My dear friend you need a lot of research to do. BTW Please don’t depend on my word, read some old news links or maybe get a Book which highlights Pakistani activities from 2001-2008 and I am sure you will find that missing link. Believe if another member asks I will post one or two or 3 news articles from post 9/11 which highlights some of the initial conflicts between Pashtuns and Pakistan after Ayub Khan’s era.

Balochistan is a barren wasteland, has no water, no wonder Alexander the Great lost 3/4th of his army there. Khyber on the other hand is as fertile as the great plains or the Nile delta. But how can an armchair philosopher know that?

Your history is weak as well, you didn’t get it right enough. Ok Let me ask you one question, WHY DID ALEXANDER DID NOT GO THROUGH Afgana (North west Frontier) but rather from Balochistan. LOL Lost 2/4 of its Army LOL you mean they lost it while tring to maintain a control over Afghan land. Right not because they conquered it. Conquering Afghanistan was very easy, but subduing its population was hard. I will give you a tip. Alexander Choose not to go through Afghan land because he said he did not wanted to go back home going through “Savage” people. Yes the Greeks historians used the word Savage to apply to people of Pakhtra(Bactria) northern Afghans, and Archoria (Arachosia) Southern Afghan, and moved his army towards Egypt VIA Gedrosia, (Markan) Balochistan.

Aside from these you other wonderful colouring words which I thought was either idiotic or less intelligent. So I don’t want to waste my time on you playing game of this and that.
BTW no body is paying me money. So enough of your Pak*i claims that I get paid for being a bomb blast to ISI or Punjabi believer. I am an average Afghan, simply a student of archaeology at Uof Y, so send your ISI after me LOL

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So you are trying to say Pakistan has more Afghans then Afghanistan?

Again talk of facts, remember I am talking Pashtuns, not fake Khans, true Khan, but rather those whom are associated with Afghan race. in the whole nation who considers their mother tongue to be Pashtu, don't bring up fake Pashtuns. Pashtuns are not more then 9% of total Pakistani population this is a fact which I often say is not less then 8%.

However you may view this fact from Pakistani census on your own time.
Rank Language 1998 census 1982 census 1961 census 1951 census 1 Punjabi* 44.15% 48.17% 66.39% 67.08% 2 Pashto 15.42% 13.15% 8.47% 8.16% 3 Sindhi 14.1% 11.7% 12.59% 12.85% 4 Saraiki 10.53% 9.54% -- -- 5 Urdu 07.57% 07.60% 07.57% 07.05% 6 Balochi 03.57% 03.02% 02.49% 03.04%

Sorry Nick, but I am going to have to call you out on this. You are just basing things on arbitary fake and real khans. The reality is that Khyber Pashtunkhwa, Northern Balochistan, FATA and Mianwali/attock are all Pashtun dominant areas (I am not even including the Pashtuns who are in Karachi, they alone are in the millions). This is not fake pathan area or real khan area..it is proper pashtun dominant regions. In fact the only area in Pashtunkhwa within Pakistan that have adopted another language are a few parts of hazara and mianwali. Outside of that they are all culturall, linguistically and by tribal background Pashtuns. These are the realities on the ground. What you are doing is prving things in the air with a useless agenda. So what if there are more Afghans in Pashutnkhwa than Afghanistan. That doesn't change anything. If anything we should be happy that our numbers are more.

[Nick]

Sorry Nick, but I am going to have to call you out on this. You are just basing things on arbitary fake and real khans. The reality is that Khyber Pashtunkhwa, Northern Balochistan, FATA and Mianwali/attock are all Pashtun dominant areas (I am not even including the Pashtuns who are in Karachi, they alone are in the millions). This is not fake pathan area or real khan area..it is proper pashtun dominant regions. In fact the only area in Pashtunkhwa within Pakistan that have adopted another language are a few parts of hazara and mianwali. Outside of that they are all culturall, linguistically and by tribal background Pashtuns. These are the realities on the ground. What you are doing is prving things in the air with a useless agenda. So what if there are more Afghans in Pashutnkhwa than Afghanistan. That doesn't change anything. If anything we should be happy that our numbers are more.

My Dear my comments are very political. the last thing we Afghans want is from our enemy to say they have more Afghans then our own nation. This is a propaganda.

You seems to have not read everything that I have mentioned which was based on facts. Fact Matters to me. If you really think that 3 million in 1950s can grow to 30 million within less then 70 years, please do the calculation and tell me what would 12 million grows to? Well since culturally, Racially, Linguistically, tribally and geographically speaking Afghans from Pakistan and Afghanistan are all same, if NOT at least Birth-rate has been same throughout South Asia. So if 3 million can grow to 30 million you have to admit 12 million shell grow into 120 million. Makes Sense? Does Afghanistan today has 120 million, even if we count Afghans world-wide it won't even reach 35 million so how did 3 million reached 30 million? Ok fine lets assume 50 percent of those were Pashtu speakers its still 60 million LOL is alot, Ok fine loss of 5 million (1979-1989=2 million), (1989-1996=1.2 million), (1996-2001=0.3 million), (2001-2008=1.5 million) within 35 years 5 million lost of lives down with with 1 generation which is 10 million. Still 50 million Pashtu speakers LOL the whole Pashtun population in many news and media sources and articles is not more then 45 million.
So You tell me How did you guys made more baby so that we Afghans can do it as well. Considering this, you cannot assume Afgan couples in Pakistan can have more then 30 children by each generation. Right? Unless British invented some sort of Baby making Machine which Pashtuns of Pakistan got their hands on.

Otherwise Please Look at Facts before rejecting me.
Again the source Chart which I brought-up does not say Pashtu in NWFP 8.1% but Rather a mother tongue in whole of Pakistan was 8.1 % right in 1951, after that everything State of Pakistan claims is incorrect, simply because to argue Afghanistan is not home of Pashtun but rather its this British created nation of Pakistan. Which was the major argument of ISI, many articles have mentioned this, which we Afghans have always decline to accept. After all How could you accept the change that percentage of an ethnic group being 10 times higher right within less then 70 years, a digit 10 times lol . WE are humans here not animals or incests therefore Birth rate cannot support such data.

Be logical and search on this topic. Again I will post my source
Total of Pashtun population in Pakistan from Pakistani government. Printed in 2004.



By Mother tongue

http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_mother_tongue.pdf

Census History of Major languages

Rank

Language

1998 census

1982 census

1961 census

1951 census

1
Punjabi
44.15%

48.17%

66.39%

67.08%
2
Pashto
15.42%

13.15%

8.47%

8.16%
3
Sindhi
14.1%

11.7%

12.59%

12.85%
4
Saraiki*
10.53%

9.54%

--

--
5
Urdu
07.57%

07.60%

07.57%

07.05%
6
Balochi
03.57%

03.02%

02.49%

03.04%


LOL Interestingly Pakistan Pashtun demographics made such a huge jumb from 1951=8.1%-1998=15.4%, just to prove that 8.1% from 1951 did doubled which means more then double Afghans in Pakistan then that of poor Afghanistan LOL. But Pakistan proved their idiotic lies when all the Data was changed over time and yet Pashtun from 1998 with 15.42 up to 2008 only increased by 0.02% 15.44% LOL funny unbelievable but true LOL Look at here 2008 only 15.44%. Seriously Do you still think Pakistan has more Afghans than that of Afghanistan.
They made such an idiot act in 1998 which many considers an smart one, that now they actually forgot to increase Percentage prety much all of the chart looks same which has never been normal, all the up and down from 1951 up to 1961 and then up to 1981 and 1998 everything changed. LOL a huge decrease in Punjabi and a huge increase in Pashtun is what I see. Baloch,sindhi etc etc have not made as much progress in making babies compare to Pashtuns, and yes Punjabis represented some 70 % in 1950s received a nickname Punjabistan by 1998 changed their face of identity and were to be counted just 44%. So what will be your excuse of their decrease, much of Pakistans demographic being same, and only Pashtuns increased. Oh Yes lets laugh prior cause I know what you are going to say regarding downfall of Punjabi Percentage, same old stuff, because of the war with India, and Pashtuns and Bangals and also because of addition into cricket, and less Sexual towards opposite sex resulted in making less babies and downfall of Punjabi ethnicity! .

Languag

2008 estimate

1998 census

Areas of Predominance

1

Punjabi

76,367,360

44.17%

58,433,431

44.15%

Punjab

2

Pashto

26,692,890

15.44%

20,408,621

15.42%

Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa

3

Sindhi

24,410,910

14.12%

18,661,571

14.10%

Sindh

4

Seraiki

18,019,610

10.42%

13,936,594

10.53%

South Punjab

5

Urdu

13,120,540

7.59%

10,019,576

7.57%

Karachi

6

Balochi

6,204,540

3.59%

4,724,871

3.57%

Balochistan

7

Others

8,089,150

3.59%

6,167,515

4.66%

Total

172,900,000

100%

132,352,279

100%

Pakistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Pakistan

Also read this from Wikipedia, although many people knows if there is only one thing I wanted to be destroyed it should be Wikipedia, because it produces so much ****, with so much of politics involved, that I thing it has less truth and more lies. But nevertheless People believes in Wikipedia like if it was some sort of a Bible, yes there are idiots out there and I had major wars inside Wikipedia. However just in here I would refer to its data since it claims to have sourced from Pak.gov.

So what if there are more Afghans in Pashutnkhwa than Afghanistan. That doesn't change anything. If anything we should be happy that our numbers are more.

Sorry but that just trying to prove how Begharat our nation truly is. I won't buy it. I can't accept the fact that Pashtuns are so Begharat, and BE-Ehman that there are more of them in enemies hand, rather than being as one nation.

Sorry bro you been influenced by low digging fake Pashtun politicians who have been bought by Pakistan (ISI) and considered as Puppets. Pashtun are minority and my believe is not more then 9%, if there were more then 9%. I can't accept that Afghanistan need to be in the world map when there more of its Race belongs to Pakistan, I would rather be part of Pakistan. POINT END Which is what Pakistan really wants, continues of its own existence, and eliminating their enemies. Something which even Afghans did not thought about, because Pakistan was just a new Islamic nation we wanted them to be in Peace, we were only interested and cried for getting back our own land and people. Here we have Pakistan thought of erasing this weak Afghanistan from world map only by one argument fixed since 1998 Pakistan has more Afghans then from that of Afghanistan. In by 2004 came the Book arguing the western Masters"Pakistan nation of Pathans". Again reminds me of Pakistan=Israel.

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Nick you are not making any sense. You are just throwing a few stats and your opinion together.

[Nick]

Nick you are not making any sense. You are just throwing a few stats and your opinion together.

You know what you don't understand Politics of Pakistan, and that's why I don't make any sense to you.

I am not making any Sense? Is that what you want me to argue about?
Is that your professional respond. That I don't make any sense to you!
So what's wrong with my opinion? that I went against Pakistan's false and propagandist claims of "Pakistan Nation of Pathans", or that Pashtuns love to be part of Pakistan? and that I believe Pakistan=Israel, and that I believe state of Pakistan is enemy of our innocent people, bombed day after another, not in Sindh/Punjab but rather in Baluchistan and Afgana, ever since British and up to now the enemies always wanted to conqueror our people either by force or by means of politics. Sure If Pakistan could win Pashtunistan by means of Politics please do so, but cowardly by means of force?

You be the judge, and now look at blood being shed by Pakistani from a Muslim point of view and not from a Punjabi or Pakistani point of view, and tell me that Pakistan is doing the right thing.
This is the war against Afghan Race or Often claimed as "War against Pashtuns" from one side weak Afghan state is attacked by the westerners and from another side their slaves, attacking and killing our innocent people, who just happens to believe that they are not occupied by Pakistan, and don't belong to Pakistan.

Please elaborate and tell me how I shell make any sense out of Pakistan. Does creation of Pakistan make any Sense? Do you really think Pashtuns are the second Biggest Ethnic group after Punjabis. LOL is they were I don't think Pakistan would of had the Gutts to shed their Blood.
Pakistan's action against innocent Pashtuns is simply because they found Pashtuns being minority representing less then 10 % and they always assume one or two Nuclear Bombs can finish them off. Pakistan simply wants its riches, its natural resources, revenue from its productions, not its people or its culture. This is a Fact. Welcome to the world of Politics. Just because they said few great things about Pashtuns and praised its few 8% into being 25 million or 95 million does not mean that they think of Pashtuns as important, but rather wants us to believe that true nation of Pashtuns is Pakistan not Afghanistan.

BTW Dear I am not simply bring up some stats and my opinion but also Facts and reality.
Again if you don't want to place yourself in such complications I would suggest ignore, cause I know I can be a real Pain in the head. Many people who don't like me have told me that many times, you are more then welcome to insult me, but it will not change the facts. Facts will always be the same. Which is why I asked you one simple question over and over again, How did Pakistan's Pashtun population Percentage rate doubled (From 8% into 15.44%) within less then 70 years? actually less then 60 years if you want to be close with that Data provided in 1951-1998.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

You know what you don't understand Politics of Pakistan, and that's why I don't make any sense to you.

I am not making any Sense? Is that what you want me to argue about?
Is that your professional respond. That I don't make any sense to you!
So what's wrong with my opinion? that I went against Pakistan's false and propagandist claims of "Pakistan Nation of Pathans", or that Pashtuns love to be part of Pakistan? and that I believe Pakistan=Israel, and that I believe state of Pakistan is enemy of our innocent people, bombed day after another, not in Sindh/Punjab but rather in Baluchistan and Afgana, ever since British and up to now the enemies always wanted to conqueror our people either by force or by means of politics. Sure If Pakistan could win Pashtunistan by means of Politics please do so, but cowardly by means of force?

You be the judge, and now look at blood being shed by Pakistani from a Muslim point of view and not from a Punjabi or Pakistani point of view, and tell me that Pakistan is doing the right thing.
This is the war against Afghan Race or Often claimed as "War against Pashtuns" from one side weak Afghan state is attacked by the westerners and from another side their slaves, attacking and killing our innocent people, who just happens to believe that they are not occupied by Pakistan, and don't belong to Pakistan.

Please elaborate and tell me how I shell make any sense out of Pakistan. Does creation of Pakistan make any Sense? Do you really think Pashtuns are the second Biggest Ethnic group after Punjabis. LOL is they were I don't think Pakistan would of had the Gutts to shed their Blood.
Pakistan's action against innocent Pashtuns is simply because they found Pashtuns being minority representing less then 10 % and they always assume one or two Nuclear Bombs can finish them off. Pakistan simply wants its riches, its natural resources, revenue from its productions, not its people or its culture. This is a Fact. Welcome to the world of Politics. Just because they said few great things about Pashtuns and praised its few 8% into being 25 million or 95 million does not mean that they think of Pashtuns as important, but rather wants us to believe that true nation of Pashtuns is Pakistan not Afghanistan.

BTW Dear I am not simply bring up some stats and my opinion but also Facts and reality.

First of all, stop diverting from the topic. Second of all, where in the world did you get the idea that I support Pakistan? I am a very hardcore supporter of Loy Afghanistan. So don't think I am supporting Pakistan. However, facts are facts. You can't fit the facts you wish to play into your politics. BTW pakistan can't use that logic, since for its entire existence, Pakistan had a smaller number of muslims than India. So by doing so,m they negate their own existence.

[Nick]

First of all, stop diverting from the topic. Second of all, where in the world did you get the idea that I support Pakistan? I am a very hardcore supporter of Loy Afghanistan. So don't think I am supporting Pakistan. However, facts are facts. You can't fit the facts you wish to play into your politics. BTW pakistan can't use that logic, since for its entire existence, Pakistan had a smaller number of muslims than India. So by doing so,m they negate their own existence.

You are not supporting Pakistan? Oh my god. So you want me to believe that you don't support Pakistan because you are "Very hardcore supporter of Loy Afghanistan!" Well Thanks me too. But hold-on how can you simply believe in Pakistan BS marked-up Census when you are a nationalist. Pakistan's whole mission to convince the world and us that Pashtuns are within the society of Pakistan, and that Pashtuns are Pakistan believers and simply the second major group after Punjabis, and that Pashtuns are also majority in Pakistani Army. Being so Population within the world of Politics many nations ask the question if true within same population as Afghanistan then Pashtuns truly believes in Pakistan therefore if them Pashtuns wanted being second major ethnic group they can make their own nation.

My friend which is why I welcomed you in the world of Politics you have a lot of things to learn.
Your initial argument was that we shell be happy that we have that many number of Pashtuns in Pakistan, while you didn’t get the politics behind such BS marked up percentage. I came with other ways explaining that Pakistan will always say what is best for their own interest. Pakistan census after 1960s, or after political issue with Afghanistan can not reliable.

Please don’t try to say that Population means nothing. Population gives confidence and power to a nation. From economical point of view (NOT SO to Rich Countries) but from 3rd world prospective Population=Power, from economical point of view the State have nothing to loss.
Population in general is a subject by itself it means a lot at different times it has its pros and cons.
China is one example by which the westerners are very cautionary of. Although from Chinese Government prospective confidence of their power, the population can be hard to control and also difficult to welfare, but from outsiders prospective any regime unfriendly towards its enemy or competitors can actually bring a regional or world insecurity, or perhaps imagine another world war China being involved with its full time 2.3 million troops. Countries scare each-other by means of their population, here is another example, funny but often read in this or other Afghan forums with topics turning into **** vs Indian war, where often Indians take pride of their population and say "If the whole population of India urinates in some sort of Tunnel going towards Pakistan it can bring half the country under the flood” LOL yes its funny but no genuineness that it can cumulate into a river or flood LOL. But the whole point is that population has a big effects on any country weather if its from economical point of view (Labour Force and countries Economic Mechanism) or by means of power and solidarity (Militarily-Man-Power, etc).

Ok Fine So I admit you couldn’t explain why Pakistan’s Pashtun population in 1940s had a huge jump within next 60 years.
Again I admit it can be a headache because by the word of Bacha Khan representing Afgans of British Raj claimed the total Pathan population in whole of Pakistan was some 3 million which is also somewhat supported in Pakistan’s 1951 census with total population of Pashtuns in NWFP/FATA/Baluchistan being 4 million or something http://www.census.gov.pk/ProvinceRegion.htm, and by 1998 we have seen double in percentage rate, where as in 1890s according to British it was 2.5 million summed all of the regions separated from Mother-land Afghanistan, represented only ¼ of the total population of Afghanistan is now claimed by Pakistan to be same or more then the total population of Afghanistan. Indeed a major headache for those who can’t see any evidence or any support for such huge increase from 1951-1998 and yet in 2008 no-more increase and Percentage of Pashtuns remained as 15.44%. LOL its like Pashtuns stop making babies or something.

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Look you are making very little sense. You may question these census and stats till your head goes blue. However, you want me to argue us certain established facts. You are wasting your time, and in reality you are covering over the major issues of Pashtuns. Census within Pakistan is not one of them. There are major issues at hand. This is a red herring.

[Nadir Shah]

The Pashtun demographics in Pakistan are widely mis-understood. Ethnic Pashtuns make up for about 88% of Northern Pakhtunkhwa, 45% of Balochistan and 99% of Central Pakhtunkhwa. The districts of Attock and Mianwali are also Pashtun majority. There are an approximate 3.5 m Pashtuns in Karachi. Significant numbers also reside in Punjab.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

The Pashtun demographics in Pakistan are widely mis-understood. Ethnic Pashtuns make up for about 88% of Northern Pakhtunkhwa, 45% of Balochistan and 99% of Central Pakhtunkhwa. The districts of Attock and Mianwali are also Pashtun majority. There are an approximate 3.5 m Pashtuns in Karachi. Significant numbers also reside in Punjab.

Probably a lot more in Karachi, since there are pashtuns that are not registered but live there. So put it upwards of 7 million.

[Nadir Shah]

Probably a lot more in Karachi, since there are pashtuns that are not registered but live there. So put it upwards of 7 million.

If you take away the Siraiki belt and Attock, Mianwali from Punjab, then I guess the majority of Punjabis will be no more. Ka sanga BLS? I think Punjab will become a minority.