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Oh Niazi, Niazi, Niazi,
Canards and clichés are typical of your usual posts.
Lets analyze what you are attempting to link together:
1) The thread is about Puppetisident Karzai Bibi, his retarded claims about how he was going to stop raids, and then his clear inability to do so, followed through by his pinning medals to the chest of the architect of policies that he claims the Afghan populace is about to get all wiley about.
2) Endorsement of Civilian casualties.
So basically, like a fool, you wandered into a thread that criticized Karzai’s utter lack of diplomacy with the Afghan people and somehow became rabid enough with rage to attempt to stop that criticism with the claim that the Taliban kill Civilians.
Regarding civilian deaths and the Taliban insurgency, you don’t really need me to answer that for you. The Afghan civilian himself can answer who he holds responsible for civilian deaths. Your farsiwaan colleague put himself in an intellectual Chinese fingertrap of the mind when he posted these videos, yet he provided us with a trove of evidences:
I wont really take the time to rewrite the answer to your idiotic commentary above, so Ill just cut and paste what I answered your colleague previously here:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/politic...afghans-17819/
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Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Take a look at the first video 2.33 minutes and 2.45 minutes into it when that old refugee AbduRahman is speaking. Who does he support and see as, in the words of the narrator, Afghanistan's saviors? He says the Taliban. Who does he see as responsible for civilian deaths? The NATO forces and the specifically the US. It matters little if this is true or not, this preception is basically supported by other reports coming out of Kandahar and other places where the southern Pashtuns (make no excuses by attempting to interject KP Pashtuns in here) view NATO as an occupying force. A few sets of anecdotal evidences are making this an apparent thing:
1) Karzai has to dance the two step by denouncing NATO as using occupier tactics, while at the same time serving them (he knows his bread comes from NATO, but he knows that the populace is weary of NATO).
"Why did he (Karzai) have to? He was propped up by Americans, British and Canadians who were spending billions that lined his and his friends’ pockets. His camp’s been fighting theiropposition for decades (although alliances have often shifted), so why give them a share of the pot?
http://www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks
2) "And so the cycle began. We add more troops, which strengthens the Taliban and weakens support for the government. Suicide attacks, IEDs, military and civilian dead or wounded—all rise commensuratelywith eachincrease in foreign troop or Afghan government presence. We misunderstand many ofthecauses of support for the Taliban. They didn’t wear sandwich boards or hand out pamphlets to win people. They are the Pashtuns. Most don’t want to rule the country. They just want to get rid of the occupiers."
http://www.thenation.com/article/157...-insider-talks
3) This sentiment has even seeped into Kabul:
"Enayatullah Balegh is a professor at Kabul University and preaches on Fridays in the largest mosque in central Kabul, where he advocates jihad, or holy war, against foreigners who desecrate Islam."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7390ZV20110410
The bottom line?: The flat earth society members make the mistake that the average Afghan civilian does not. In their effort to play pin the tail on the donkey in regard to civilian deaths the flat earth society members miss the big picture. The Civilian construct of how civilian deaths occur is as follows per the evidences above:
1) Taliban in power: relative calm and peace --> 2) US invades --> 3) Taliban utilize assymetric tactics and guerilla warfare to fight a superiorly armed and air force backed military --> 4) Civilians die as a consequence of step 2
In the Flat Earth Society construct, or propaganda (take your pick):
1) Pakistanis dressed as Pashtuns invade Afghanistan and take over the country with little effort --> 2) Karzai is a white knight on a white horse (never mind his thievery, incomptence, and the freedom loving US comes in and aids him kicking out the "Pakistanis" that were all somehow born in Afghan villages (this is anti reality remember?) --> 3) the ISI proceeds on killing civilians, but poses as insurgents --> 4) No Civilian supports the Taliban.
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