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    Karzai orders NATO to stop airstrikes in Afghanistan

    By Joshua Partlow and Javed Hamdard, Updated: Tuesday, May 31, 7:45 AM

    KABUL--President Hamid Karzai on Tuesday issued an ultimatum to NATO forces to stop airstrikes on Afghan homes and warned that if they don’t, the Afghan people would drive them out as they have occupying armies in the past.
    The demand was the most serious warning to the coalition that Karzai has issued to date. The immediate provocation was a coalition airstrike on Saturday in southern Afghanistan’s Helmand province that killed nine civilians, including children. But Karzai’s statement also was the culmination of years of complaints about civilian casualties and aggressive NATO military operations.
    “From this moment, airstrikes on the houses of people are not allowed,” Karzai said at a news conference at the presidential palace.
    “Afghanistan is an ally, not an occupied country. And our treatment with NATO is from the point of view of an ally. If it turns to the other, to the behavior of an occupation, then of course the Afghan people know how to deal with that,” he said.
    Karzai added that “history is a witness how Afghanistan deals with occupiers,” and declared that if NATO airstrikes continue Afghanistan will take “unilateral action.” He did not specify the action but said he will explain that to NATO commanders during a meeting scheduled for Sunday.
    Although Karzai has a history of provocative statements, his words on Tuesday raised the confrontation between his government and the U.S.-led coalition to a new level. Karzai has regularly called for an end to civilian casualties, night raids by U.S. Special Operations forces, and all unilateral NATO operations in Afghanistan.
    But he has rarely spoken so directly about NATO forces being a potential enemy of the Afghan people.
    Rear Adm. Vic Beck, NATO’s director of public affairs, said a team of Afghan representatives of the army, the police and the intelligence service is consulted before authorizing nighttime raids.
    Estimates from both NATO and other organizations, such as the United Nations, attribute the majority of civilian casualties to the insurgents rather than NATO forces.
    “The insurgents have repeatedly fired on medical evacuation aircraft, carried out suicide attacks in bazaars full of Afghan women and children – and this week attempted to use an Afghan ambulance as a suicide vehicle bomb,” Beck said.
    He noted that that Gen. David H. Petraeus , the top commander for the coalition, has “repeatedly noted that every liberation force has to be very conscious that it can, over time, become seen as an occupation force.”
    “He has long stated that extending the ‘half-life’ of the period during which an outside force is regarded positively by its partners and the people is very important,” Beck added.
    While U.S. and NATO forces have made reducing collateral damage on civilians a top priority, military officials say it is almost impossible to eliminate them entirely, particularly as insurgents fight in and among the population. The deaths last week in Helmand province were such an example.
    On Saturday, a U.S. Marine patrol was attacked by five insurgents in the Now Zad district, killing one Marine, according to military officials. The insurgents then went into a walled house and continued to fight until the Marines called in a Harrier fighter jet for an airstrike.
    “Unfortunately, the compound the insurgents purposefully occupied was later discovered to house innocent civilians,” U.S. Marine Maj. Gen. John Toolan, the NATO commander in Afghanistan’s southwest, said in a statement.
    The United Nations recorded 2,777 civilian deaths last year in Afghanistan, an increase of 15 percent over 2009. Of those, 75 percent were caused by insurgents, while 16 percent were attributed to NATO and Afghan forces, according to the U.N. mission’s latest annual report. Nine percent of the civilian deaths could not be attributed.
    In the past two weeks, insurgents bombed a hospital in Kabul and set off explosives near a hospital in Herat. They had never before targeted a hospital, according to a Western official in Kabul.
    “When ISAF kills civilians it’s an unfortunate by-product of warfare,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “Whereas the Taliban actively target civilians. It’s the difference between mistakes and war crimes.”
    Another NATO spokesman Maj. Sunset Belinsky, called the insurgents “the enemy of the Afghan people. . . they are showing complete disregard for the safety of innocent Afghans.”
    Karzai’s call for the end of such airstrikes, a key weapon for NATO forces in Afghanistan, is a test for his authority over foreign troops operating on Afghan soil. His other demands in the past, such as ending Special Operations night raids, have not been heeded entirely but reforms have been made to include Afghans more fully in the process as well as guidance for troops to show more restraint.
    Karzai seemed adamant that this time should be different.
    “If this is repeated, Afghanistan has a lot of ways of stopping it, but we don't want to go there. We want NATO to stop the raids on its own, without a declaration of an end by the Afghan government, because we want to continue to cooperate," he said. “They must treat Afghanistan as a sovereign nation.”




    © The Washington Post Company
    Last edited by Guest; 05-31-2011, 04:22 PM.

  • #2
    this was in the news just today. I also think it is hot air too, but it is still news. Its not about him anymore, but about the regional countries ( China) now who want America out of the region because they are the single source of instability.
    Last edited by Guest; 05-31-2011, 04:06 PM.

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    • #3
      There is a fine line to how much you can underestimate his statements. This is a serious statement in all due fairness.

      Karzai on Tuesday issued an ultimatum to NATO forces to stop airstrikes on Afghan homes and warned that if they don’t, the Afghan people would drive them out as they have occupying armies in the past.

      Now everyone knows this is already happening.
      Last edited by Guest; 05-31-2011, 04:05 PM.

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      • #4
        the guy is a dopehead. Who cares what he says?
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        • #5
          hmm he is right in the sense they are starting to look more and more like an occupying force rather then an ally.
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          • #6
            Karzai is really no different than any other autocrat of the region... he speaks of independence and autonomy in one language and the language of servitude from the other end of this mouth. And what does one expect from the likes of Saleh, Karzai, Ghani, Wardak, and the whole lot of folks who were pumping gas or pursuing poli sci degrees that would have landed any American graduate in a pizza parlor job (i.e. unless one has that little oomf or connection... its a degree devoid of any utility or use). When they were coopted by NATO, it was for a plain and simple purpose:
            to be sock puppets. They are the Chalabis and the Malikis and the Allawis of Afghanistan... a yellow line is painted from the nape of their neck straight down to the union point of their buttocks. Their general excuse for not standing and fighting alongside their people against the Russians is that the he Americans lured the Russians in.. "i.e. not our war to fight." Its a hollow excuse at best as any country man of any nation feels the obligation to stand, fight, and defend his land regardless of whatever excuse a foreign power utilizes to invade and occupy. The other rather baseless accusation is that they were hapless and helpless in the face of the ISI occupation and onslaught... once again, another stupid response. Let us pursue this logic... if we are to believe that the Taliban were a "foreign occupying force" imprisoning the people that still does not absolve Karzai, Wardak, Ghani, Saleh etc to stand and fight this supposed force. One might at least give Mossoud that much credit.

            The good thing is as that sock puppetzai (karzai) wags his jaw a little more he exposes a clear fact to the Afghan people and to the rest of the world:
            "Despite Mr Karzai's threat of unilateral action against Nato forces if airstrikes continue, military analysts said Nato troops were in Afghanistan under a United Nations mandate, which does not give the Afghan government authority to outlaw strikes."

            http://www.thenational.ae/news/world...ccupying-force

            What does this translate to?: There is no Afghan government... there are a series of failed technocrats, secreted from the anus of the West, back into Afghanistan to serve as a front organizatoin for occupation. Otherwise, these men would be pumping gas here in the states, living on welfare or off stolen wealth at best.

            Their writ means nothing, their words are hollow, and they are merely mirrors of the Karimovs, the Mubaraks, the Malikis, The Chalabis etc.

            The irony here is that two large scale civilian death strikes occured... Karzai made his statement after the Helmand event... promising that it was the last (sure Hamid... does last in your English dialect mean one in a million?)... yet with the Nuristan strike, he exposed his obvious impotence to stop a da-mn thing.

            The obvious lesson in all this?: Failures in the West go on being failures in the East.
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            • #7
              But then what happens when they do another strike or night raid? He has made a pretty serious statement. Does this mean he defects?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                But then what happens when they do another strike or night raid? He has made a pretty serious statement. Does this mean he defects?
                It means nothing. His survival depends on them. The minute they leave is the minute that Kabul folds and falls and Karzai gets Najib'd so to speak. It is somewhat sad in a sense that Najib's hands were extremely bloody... Mr. Karzai, had he not sought power, could have lived a generally reasonable existence without wanting to consume this opiate and living in the false belief that he is Ahmad Shah Abdali Durrani incarnate. He actually attempted to re-enact the loya jirga crowning legends of Abdali because he views himself as a King more than a democratically elected leader of a government. Instead, he ruined his own life and stained his own soul in the worst possible way. In some ways Najib and Dostum were merely continuing their idiocy... Karzai stepped into the role and could not even do it right.

                He will not and cannot defect. At best, he could step down and deal them a political blow... at worst (most likely) he will emulate that slithery lord of the rings character Gollum, and just slink away into the Aarg after Zalmay Khalilzaad slaps him around a little and reminds him that all of the expats and the emigres that serve in this government are sock puppets with a mighty Red, White, and Blue fist in their rectum.
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                • #9
                  I look back in history, and see that Shah Shuja did pretty much the same things as the British were being defeated. Is it fair to draw parallels to the present situation?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by unknownprince View Post
                    I look back in history, and see that Shah Shuja did pretty much the same things as the British were being defeated. Is it fair to draw parallels to the present situation?
                    Absolutely, he is a weak minded oligarch with the same lack of leadership traits. His brother said of him that he did not like washing dishes and fled right back to Quetta. Tell me? Do you think that a person who thinks it is beneath him to work for a living and do something as basic as dish washing can lead a country? His soft hands couldnt carry a gun... couldnt wash dishes... so he had to resort to becoming an actor of sorts... that is... "acting" like a leader of a country. The quote above shows clearly that this all staged and acting (Take 1 Hamid.. the stage is set!) as he cannot do a darn thing if NATO tells him to shut his mouth. All he can do is just hope that someone out there sees that he ruined his current and spiritual after life by making this bargain to sit on the Kabul Tahkth at the Aarg. I seriously hope that he does not die without a fair trial, as every person deserves that dignity. But the chain of events puts him in between the guns of his enemies and the guns of his patrons. What a stupid position he found himself in. But then again, he is the son of an equally stupid man (see the history of Abdul Ahad Karzai's oligarchial mindset for a lesson in inept leadership).
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                    • #11
                      the thing about washing dishes reveals that he thinks lowly of others- thats a sure lack of leadership. I think Bush and even Obama suffer from this same problem. He did put himself in a very stupid position, your right. The only people that can deliver him out of this are those Afghans who have stood their ground, thats if they are a forgiving people. On the other hand, he may end up just departing the country with the rest of the foreigners as they attempt to disguise the all to clear defeat, and withdraw. He does appear to know Afghan history when it comes to defeating empires.
                      Last edited by Guest; 06-01-2011, 10:32 PM.

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                      • #12
                        seaside mansion, dubai. his next adress, lol.

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                        • #13
                          lol funny debate.

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                          • #14
                            ^care to elaborate

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                            • #15
                              Is Afghanistan's puppet President Karzai off the US leash?

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