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    Afghanistan's myth of independence legitimised rebellion against King Amanullah, whose Darulaman palace now lies in ruins. Photograph: Paula Bronstein/Getty Images


    In an interview with the Guardian, Afghan human rights activist Orzala
    Asharf-Nemat said it was the responsibility of the Afghan people to create
    their own national identity. Her point is absolutely valid. But since
    transnational concepts such as socialism (1980s), Islam (1990s) and
    democracy (2000s) have all failed to create a stable nation, we need to
    ask ourselves what is the single idea that resonates with all Afghans?

    Unfortunately for Afghans, the idea that makes them feel that they are
    part of a distinct nation is the myth of their independence. This myth was
    the narrative upon which the Afghan state was founded in the late 19th
    century. Since then, it has continued to serve as the key story for
    political legitimacy and nation-building.

    But the myth of independence is a double-edged sword that can be
    turned against foreign invaders and legitimate local governments alike.
    When turned against local governments, the myth of the Afghans' natural
    right to independence turns into licence to riot and rebel but without any
    sense of wrongdoing.

    The myth of independence is the sole idea that resonates with all
    Afghans, regardless of their age, gender and ethnicity. The jihadi leaders,
    their Taliban enemies and vocal dissidents such as Malalai Joya all draw on
    this myth for legitimacy and popular appeal. In the mood for rebellion,
    Afghan MPs at times have threatened to "hit the mountain", a euphemism
    for justified rebellion against an oppressive state.

    The strong sense of independence has historically served to legitimise
    many acts of anarchy and subversion which is why even the president
    sometimes threatens to join the Taliban rebels.

    A myth that is as old as the country itself is obviously hard to shake off.
    Most Afghans are emotionally helpless against the call for independence
    which is why they desert the army, rally around subversive clerics and
    plant bombs that blow up their own people. The myth's power is such that
    it makes the legitimate question of what will happen once independence is
    achieved sound ridiculous.

    Afghans should be forgiven for allowing the myth of independence to
    deprive them of their only chance to rebuild their country with the help of
    international allies. After all, generation after generation were raised with
    the idea that what made them unique was their martial qualities, their
    ability to be independent even to the point of defeating empires.

    In reality, Afghans did not defeat any empire, as both the British and the
    Soviet empires were already in decline and in the process of
    disintegration. But Afghans could not let go of the myth and were instead
    encouraged to take pride in their country as the graveyard of empires. But
    Afghanistan remained a graveyard while the capitals of the former
    empires, Moscow and London, thrived and flourished after their so-called
    defeat by Afghans. The myth persisted even after the entire country had
    turned into a giant cemetery.

    Afghan jihadi leaders still talk proudly about a nation that gives birth to
    independence-seeking martyrs. The myth is politically useful as it turns
    subversive rebels into heroes, thieving highwaymen into politicians.
    Ironically, international writers and journalists have also adopted the
    myth, perpetuating it by publishing books and articles about "the
    graveyard of empires".

    At times, it feels as if the whole world wants Afghanistan to be just that:
    a massive graveyard and symbolic two fingers to superpowers. That a
    country incapable of sustaining itself is further destroyed in the process
    seems to matter little. Neither does it seem to matter that those who
    destroy cannot rebuild and hence expect the population to live in ruins
    and feed themselves with the pride of a myth rather than actual food.

    The uncomfortable truth is that Afghanistan has never been a truly
    independent country and has always relied on outside resources and
    expertise for survival. Historically, much of the country's limited wealth
    came through control of trade routes by local tribesmen who also acted as
    highwaymen, making travelling in Afghanistan a famously dangerous
    endeavour.

    Other sources of income included military raids into richer neighbouring
    territories and foreign subsidies in return for implementing superpower
    policies. The government in Kabul has always received foreign aid and
    subsidies to implement modernisation projects. The border tribes have
    always been hard to control and repeatedly undermined the central state,
    refusing to pay tax or supply soldiers to the army, again drawing on the
    unspoken right to independence.

    The myth of independence also legitimised internal rebellions. Hence, in
    1919, King Amanullah was declared a ghazi in recognition of his jihad
    against the British which won Afghans' independence. But in 1929, new
    rival strongmen had emerged, contesting Amanullah's power. They called
    the amir an infidel, which amounted to a declaration of war.

    That a heroic Muslim leader could willy-nilly be declared an infidel is
    alarming, but not in Afghanistan where the clergy has always been
    subversive, often siding with the enemies of the state. After all, the
    absence of a strong state empowers both clerics and rebels, which is why
    both groups traditionally join hands, appealing to the myth of
    independence to mobilise the masses against the state. The recent riots
    in Mazar, Kandahar and Kabul were a continuation of this historical trend.

    Independence, the national narrative that binds Afghans together, is
    simultaneously the force that helps mobilise rebellions, undermine the
    state and destabilise the country. If there is one lesson Afghans should
    learn from the past, it is that the inclusion of the myth of independence in
    their national narrative has to be done with great care, or the endless
    cycle of internal independence-seeking rebellions will never end.



    The article was written by Nushin Arbabzadah for The Guadian.







    I personally completely disagree with her. If Afghanistan had been full of people who think like this we would all have been ruled by a brutal repressive Soviet Socialist Republic. Sure we may not be much worse off than we are right now but we atleast still have the opportunity to self determine how we live.



    What are your thoughts on this article?
    Is our heroic military history just a myth?
    Was Afghanistan never a gaveyard of empires?
    Do we need to rid ourselves of this myth to build a better Afghanistan?
    Last edited by Haris; 05-25-2011, 02:29 PM.
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    To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
    own inclinations and desires
    .


    -Imam al Ghazali

  • #2
    I know her from facebook. She is a very talented person. Her view on Afghanistan´s history is not wrong. Afghanistan always depended on foreign powers. We had many kind of governments but not a single of them have worked. Now we need to ask ourself how our future under which system should looks like. Monarchism was beaten, socialism was beaten, communism and maosim could not even step one inch to Afghanistan, Islamis was beaten and has no chance. We can go the list along but we won´t find anything that have ever worked for the country. Democracy or federalism? ... I don´t know and we still don´t have any such societies but what will be the impacts of such societies? Albania and Kosovo are officially democratic countries, part of the western civilisation and muslim states but already we can see social decadence in their countries. If democracy doesn´t work I would say let´s bring again any foreign state to Afghanistan that can manage the country for us since we self are not able to do it.

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    • #3
      Islam has not been beaten yet.

      Democracy in the Western sense just won't work for many reasons (http://www.pashtunforums.com/388331-post3.html), not in the short-run atleast.


      So who would you have governing our country? The West? India? China?
      ---
      To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
      own inclinations and desires
      .


      -Imam al Ghazali

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Haris View Post
        Islam has not been beaten yet.

        Democracy in the Western sense just won't work for many reasons (http://www.pashtunforums.com/388331-post3.html), not in the short-run atleast.


        So who would you have governing our country? The West? India? China?
        With Taliban, Talibanism and Terrorism also Islam is beaten. The Taliban practized Islam as Muhammad pbuh practized it. But by accepting such an Islam in the 21th century you are forced to accept foreigners like Arabs, Pkaistanis and many more in your country who are there just to kill you, your children and parents and keep you oppressed and backward. Afghanistan´s islamic identity differ from people to people. Pashtuns have their view, Hazaras their´s, Tajik their´s (but in many ways related with the view of Hazaras, Uzbeks and Turkmen), Uzbeks their´s and so on. Which islamic view should be accepted?

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        • #5
          The Taliban have been beaten?
          Only today this happened: http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-n...rovince-17517/

          They may not be as influential as they once were but that is artificial and will only last as long as NATO are here. Rest assured the Taliban are still fighting strong.


          And no. They are not practicing the prophet's (saw) Islam. They are practicing their own interpretation of it and in implementation are hypocritical just as the Saudi government is when they practice their version of Shariaah.


          Anyway if the above options have supposedly failed then who do you want to govern Afghanistan?
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          To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
          own inclinations and desires
          .


          -Imam al Ghazali

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          • #6
            The Taliban are only strong because the people are unarmed. In regions where people are armed they can not step. Taliban may come back to Nuristan but they will pushed back. Taliban accepted in Pakistan the deobandy style of Islam, a view that is closely related to wahabism and financed by Saudi Arabia. Wahab wanted to establish the 7th century Islam and he was succesful in his country only among the royal clans but in Pakistan and Afghanistan he was purely succesfully to blind entire nations.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada View Post
              The Taliban are only strong because the people are unarmed. In regions where people are armed they can not step. Taliban may come back to Nuristan but they will pushed back.
              By 'people' you mean civilians? So all the areas not under Taliban control are because the locals have their own guns, is that what you are saying?

              If the Taliban are pushed back it wont be by the locals it will be by NATO. NATO won't be there forever.



              You said:
              If democracy doesn´t work I would say let´s bring again any foreign state to Afghanistan that can manage the country for us since we self are not able to do it.

              So again I ask who would you prefer to be governing Afghanistan? Or is it of no concern to you?
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              To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
              own inclinations and desires
              .


              -Imam al Ghazali

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Haris View Post
                By 'people' you mean civilians? So all the areas not under Taliban control are because the locals have their own guns, is that what you are saying?

                If the Taliban are pushed back it wont be by the locals it will be by NATO. NATO won't be there forever.



                You said:
                If democracy doesn´t work I would say let´s bring again any foreign state to Afghanistan that can manage the country for us since we self are not able to do it.

                So again I ask who would you prefer to be governing Afghanistan? Or is it of no concern to you?
                @Patel

                I can´t get you.

                @Haris
                The locals proved many times they are able to push Taliban back. In Paktia, they were very succesful but they did not keep on it. Also Nuristan was very good in it. For 3 weeks ago 400 insurgents wanted to entre through Nuristan Afghanistan but the local police, army and people fought them back.

                I don´t know any system for Afghanistan. If it is a known system than it should be a good and technoligical country for Afghanistan´s leading, otherwise we will kill eachother to the last drop of our blood.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by patelrajiv
                  I read your posts from your page. you make fun of pashtuns very bad, then you say your mother pashtun. if true, you would not be making fun of pashtuns?

                  definitely not true
                  Show me the part where I make fun, you stupid person. If I make fun of someone than on you.

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                  • #10
                    Intersting.

                    Well the locals may be able to drive back the Taliban but that is not sustainable and the Taliban will capture those provinces again if NATO leaves. They did it in the 90s and yes they did suffer set backs from the locals especially in Mazar but they can and will do it.

                    If NATO is spending billions and can't stop them, then there is no chance that the locals can.


                    But I think this is moving away from the topic.


                    You may yet get your wish with America, India, Pakistan wanting to influence our politics. In fact there are some who like to call Afghanistan as the 51st state of America due to Karzai's puppet act.

                    I believe that democracy has already failed. We will not see representative liberal democracy spread throughout Afghanistan. It is therefore either the Taliban who will be back in power when NATO leaves or some other corrupt northern warlords (either way someone working as a proxy for an exterior force). I predict civil war again but I do not see how forgetting our history as the writer states can avert that.
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                    To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
                    own inclinations and desires
                    .


                    -Imam al Ghazali

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                    • #11
                      If the routes of supplyings stay free they can defeat the Taliban. The problem is the Taliban are not a marked enemy. Everyone could be a Taliban within a civilian mass. NATO and ANA do not fight an army but INSURGENCIES who can move freely wherever they want. They can hide in every village, every cave, every land and every city. Behind every tree and every kid claiming beeing his father. When NATO is in the near they hide their weapons but when they leave the take them back. That´s what make the issue problematic and very harsh. That is one reason why sometimes innocent civilians die due NATO´s bombings of an village. The Nuristanis need to build like Uzbeks and Hazaras local Arbaks, tribal polices with strong ties to their allies. They defeated the Taliban several times and they will be able to defeat them entirely. They just need a wider support. The thing is, times changed. This time, the Taliban get their support nomore from ISI but from other sources. In the 90s only the ISI could stranght their power. NATO won´t leave the country without any impacted decisions. Even if they leave it without any decision the people have learned from the past. They are right now preparing for Taliban out-come.


                      Everything failed in Afghanistan. And I guess it is rooted in it´s multi.cultural and multi.ethnical society. Every group has his own interests.

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                      • #12
                        What you say isn't wrong (although I disagree with your vigilante system) but its what everyone knows already.


                        What i'm asking is what benefit will there be if we do what this woman says? She keeps blabbering on about how our fights for independence where mythical but if we accept this, what purpose does it solve? In short, what the hell is she trying to achieve in this article?
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                        To advise others is an easy matter, the difficulty is accepting advice -- since it is bitter for those who follow their
                        own inclinations and desires
                        .


                        -Imam al Ghazali

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                        • #13
                          The article says there is no hope and future for a united Afghanistan. That´s all. And unfortunately, she is right. To much happened in the last 100 years and to much devided is the country along languages, ethnicities, political groups, beliefs and communities. Even the new government is devided along ethnicities. Very sad
                          Last edited by Guest; 05-25-2011, 07:07 PM.

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                          • #14
                            she is wrong as all the other anti afghan *******s.
                            and you kabulzada are yet to proof where you are from and what you are.

                            if you are afghan as you calim than you are a traitor and someone who wishes ill for Afghanistan.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
                              she is wrong as all the other anti afghan *******s.
                              and you kabulzada are yet to proof where you are from and what you are.

                              if you are afghan as you calim than you are a traitor and someone who wishes ill for Afghanistan.
                              So, now real sons of great Afghanistan (Afghans) are now traitors? Are you really aware which kind of a forum this is? There are also American forums, Pakistani-Panjabi forums and many more.

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