what is nationlism?

[akbarkhan]

I have next after Afghanprinces...

Please go ahead.

[pir_Rokhan]

I find it really absurd when our intellectuals promote secularism yet they fail to see that every single move that the Kufar make are based on Islamic principles! Loy Afghanistan does not require nationalism, nationalism is obsolete that is why the once warring and belligerent nationalist European states are now forming a political union called EU. The Kufar are implementing what Muslims should be implementing, a political union aka khilafa.


Freedom is the most expensive possession in the world, it costs and we must be ready to cough up for it. Loy Afghanistan requires faith in Allah swt, solidarity, sacrifice and above all clear vision. There are precendents for everything in history, if the Sahaba made it all the way to Spain why can't we achieve something that is a stone's throw away from us using their methodology and approach?

You see this basis of Loy Afghanistan will come in direct conflict with a "more ideological muslim state or Islamic state" called Pakistan which would need to sacrifice half of their country to help you realise your first stage of grand Khailafa dream. And then the muslims of Pakistan would say that why the hassle we are better off with a modern Islamic state than to be a part of a hundred years old ravaged and destroyed center of Khilafa.[Afghanistan]

Practical Politics and affairs of state has to do much more than words used in marketing strategies.

[akbarkhan]

You see this basis of Loy Afghanistan will come in direct conflict with a "more ideological muslim state or Islamic state" called Pakistan which would need to sacrifice half of their country to help you realise your first stage of grand Khailafa dream. And then the muslims of Pakistan would say that why the hassle we are better off with a modern Islamic state than to be a part of a hundred years old ravaged and destroyed center of Khilafa.[Afghanistan]

Practical Politics and affairs of state has to do much more than words used in marketing strategies.

Pakistan is not an Islamic state, I know many practicing Pakistani Muslims who plainly state that very fact. Any Pakistani Muslim who practices Islam would accept the fact that half of that territory belongs to Afghanistan, legally bounding.

Under Islamic property law there are 4 four types of legislation for land

1. individual ownership
2. state owned land
3. religious foundation owned land
4. collective or tribal owned land

According to the legislation Pakistan has to return the land to its rightful owners (Afghanistan) otherwise Islamic law will enable us to pursue military action to retrieve our property.

Afghanistan might be in ruins but it still holds the key to central Asia. If fairly calculated and pragmatic policies along with relevant contingency strategies are put in place, neighbouring countries would have to accept our position in the international arena or face isolation.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Pakistan is not an Islamic state, I know many practicing Pakistani Muslims who plainly state that very fact. Any Pakistani Muslim who practices Islam would accept the fact that half of that territory belongs to Afghanistan, legally bounding.

Under Islamic property law there are 4 four types of legislation for land

1. individual ownership
2. state owned land
3. religious foundation owned land
4. collective or tribal owned land

According to the legislation Pakistan has to return the land to its rightful owners (Afghanistan) otherwise Islamic law will enable us to pursue military action to retrieve our property.

Afghanistan might be in ruins but it still holds the key to central Asia. If fairly calculated and pragmatic policies along with relevant contingency strategies are put in place, neighbouring countries would have to accept our position in the international arena or face isolation.

I would love to keep what you wrote in my notes for future debates on any issue related to Afghanistan reclaiming its land. Very nice information roara jan.

[akbarkhan]

My question is, I also want Loy Afghanistan, But how can we possibly achieve without foregoing through a change? Without dying for our rights? Without showing people that she is what we want, which leads to nationalism.

Germans are nationalists, You see how advanced there countries are same applies for the french. Its Afghans who are against nationalism(Although we were doing pretty good when Kandaharys were nationalistic, which lead to the Abdali empire)but now, since we are not patriotic look at our present state, all we go through is wars. All of our politicians are sold out. Why is this? Don't you think this is because they lack nationalistic reasons and motivations to be patriotic?

Allah swt says that He never changes the condition of a people until they change themselves. Positive constructive change is what we need, and we must haste towards it. For example, we must put an end the enslavement of women and reinstate their God given rights. We must stop belittling brothers and sisters hailing from different ethnic backgrounds, at the same time we must setup contingencies to contain the rogue elements from those ethnic communities who are hostile to us.

I am not saying that you should not sacrifice your all for your rights, do it in a way which is pleasing to Allah swt - and that which pleases Allah is best for you.

The first and second world wars were at heart nationalistic wars. How can you say that nationalism made European countries developed? When so many lives were lost and infrastructures put to ruins? European countries developed and entered their golden age due to bilateral strategic cooperation. And that is why they are taking even a further step, a political union. Although they are disbelievers, be assured that they are implementing Islamic principles - the model of European Union is based on Islamic Caliphate where nations cooperate with each other to benefit and at times of misfortune they will unite against others with military might.

The reason our politicians are sold out is not because they are not nationalistic but because they are secularists. They think they know better than Allah swt but little do they know about the entrapments of Satan and his allies. There are many ways to skin a cat, the most durable, practical and honourable way is through Islamic revival and reform.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Allah swt says that He never changes the condition of a people until they change themselves. Positive constructive change is what we need, and we must haste towards it. For example, we must put an end the enslavement of women and reinstate their God given rights. We must stop belittling brothers and sisters hailing from different ethnic backgrounds, at the same time we must setup contingencies to contain the rogue elements from those ethnic communities who are hostile to us.

I am not saying that you should not sacrifice your all for your rights, do it in a way which is pleasing to Allah swt - and that which pleases Allah is best for you.

The first and second world wars were at heart nationalistic wars. How can you say that nationalism made European countries developed? When so many lives were lost and infrastructures put to ruins? European countries developed and entered their golden age due to bilateral strategic cooperation. And that is why they are taking even a further step, a political union. Although they are disbelievers, be assured that they are implementing Islamic principles - the model of European Union is based on Islamic Caliphate where nations cooperate with each other to benefit and at times of misfortune they will unite against others with military might.

The reason our politicians are sold out is not because they are not nationalistic but because they are secularists. They think they know better than Allah swt but little do they know about the entrapments of Satan and his allies. There are many ways to skin a cat, the most durable, practical and honourable way is through Islamic revival and reform.

So why did the Pro Shariat,Pro Islami Parties of Afghanistan accept friendship with Capitalistic Secularists such as America and the West when they lured the Soviets into Afghanistan?

[akbarkhan]

^I agree, but at this point don't we need patriotic people to gather up and kick out the foreigners? Do you support this present War on terror?


I have a few more questions as well, But I don't want to stomp you down..

Dearest sister,

Patriotism is like a feeling, it comes and then fades away. Yesterday's "mujahideen" who fought under the pretext of patriotism diluted with Diet Islam are now in the Afghan parliament sipping tea right next to the very Marxists they fought with not so many days ago.

A patriot can be anybody, a person who disbelieves in Allah or a person who believes in Allah. I know patriots who want Afghanistan to be developed and modernized but at the expense of our social and religious integrity. Pakistani people are the staunchest patriots, but look at what Pakistan is - do we want an Afghanistan similar to today's Pakistan 50 years down the line? Do we want Heera Mandayee right next to a Masjid in Afghanistan?

Current war on terror? You mean American state-sponsored terrorism against which Afghans are fighting?

Lets put it this way - how many times has Afghanistan made military interventions in the last 100 years and compare it to the following.

• 1.1 1775-1800
• 1.2 1800-1809
• 1.3 1810-1819
• 1.4 1820-1829
• 1.5 1830-1839
• 1.6 1840-1849
• 1.7 1850-1859
• 1.8 1860-1869
• 1.9 1870-1879
• 1.10 1880-1889
• 1.11 1890-1899
• 1.12 1900-1909
• 1.13 1910-1919
• 1.14 1920-1929
• 1.15 1930-1939
• 1.16 1940-1945
• 1.17 1945-1949
• 1.18 1950-1959
• 1.19 1960-1969
• 1.20 1970-1979
• 1.21 1980-1990
• 1.22 1991-1999
• 1.23 2000-2009

Above is a list of American military intervention. Who has consistently waged wars? Look at the dates above only a couple of time they have taken a gap year between wars and invasions. Who is a terrorist? An Afghan who can not afford a loaf of bread or a country which has been at war with everyone since 1700s at times using nuclear bombs and mind control mechanisms?

p.s please feel free to ask questions.

[akbarkhan]

So why did the Pro Shariat,Pro Islami Parties of Afghanistan accept friendship with Capitalistic Secularists such as America and the West when they lured the Soviets into Afghanistan?

Islam allows us to seek assistance at times of war - if it is for the benefit of Ummah. There are precendents for this in the Seerah of the Prophet.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Islam allows us to seek assistance at times of war - if it is for the benefit of Ummah. There are precendents for this in the Seerah of the Prophet.

So...What benefit was fighting and luring the soviets?

The only people who benefit were those secular Capitalists Americans

[akbarkhan]

Akbar wror.

Don't you think our Goodwill has been taken as us being dumb? Is it not time for us to stop being so nice and start declaring war on our neighbors who are using us for their own interests?


If you don't mind, Can you make a thread explaining what you think of Pakistan..

We have certainly been used and abused by our neighbours, there is no room for denial or doubt with regards to this issue. But unlike many of our peers who blame our neighbours, I blame ourselves for allowing our neighbours to walk all over us.

Before we declare war on our neighbours, we must declare war on the enemies within who are subservient to our adversaries in the region and across the pond. Every war must have a political agenda, else we will be in constant state of warfare and turmoil. Pakistan is a military conglomerate run by British subservient Punjabis who do not have a single grain of dignity or integrity left in them.

[Punjabi]

We have certainly been used and abused by our neighbours, there is no room for denial or doubt with regards to this issue. But unlike many of our peers who blame our neighbours, I blame ourselves for allowing our neighbours to walk all over us.

Before we declare war on our neighbours, we must declare war on the enemies within who are subservient to our adversaries in the region and across the pond. Every war must have a political agenda, else we will be in constant state of warfare and turmoil. Pakistan is a military conglomerate run by British subservient Punjabis who do not have a single grain of dignity or integrity left in them.

Sir Watch your mouth please. We have proud Pashtuns who will never join Afghanistan and in fact, they do not even want to be called Afghan.

Stop blaming everything on us, we are the Islamic superpower and one of the most modern Islamic nations.


We took 6million of you Afghans and this is our thanks? No wonder why Iran did not take your refugees and Tajikistan.

[Admin Khan]

Sir Watch your mouth please. We have proud Pashtuns who will never join Afghanistan and in fact, they do not even want to be called Afghan.

Stop blaming everything on us, we are the Islamic superpower and one of the most modern Islamic nations.


We took 6million of you Afghans and this is our thanks? No wonder why Iran did not take your refugees and Tajikistan.

You have a PM sent to you, And a few edits in your post.

Talk to him like that one more time and I will be forced to teach you a lesson.

[Punjabi]

You have a PM sent to you, And a few edits in your post.

Talk to him like that one more time and I will be forced to teach you a lesson.

I apologize its just people like that who are ungrateful of us tick me off.


We take them as refuggees treat them like our brother. call them Khan sahab. do not discriminate and all I hear is how we are imperialists and how we rule them.

you are right.

but hear me out as well, Iran rejected them, Tajikistan said no to them. we take 6million of them they make money here and all I get in reply is how bad we are.
admin khan you know I have no bad intentions I have been here for 3 months I love this website but members who are ungrateful to our good will are not of my favor.

Pakistan is an Islamic republic. We even banned facebook and youtube.

[akbarkhan]

So...What benefit was fighting and luring the soviets?

The only people who benefit were those secular Capitalists Americans

We can not summarize decades of political and social events in two sentences like that. Do you know, when Zahir Shah reigned as a king building himself Gul Khana and palaces, people in Chaghcharan resorted to cannibalism out of poverty?

[akbarkhan]

I apologize its just people like that who are ungrateful of us tick me off.


We take them as refuggees treat them like our brother. call them Khan sahab. do not discriminate and all I hear is how we are imperialists and how we rule them.

you are right.

but hear me out as well, Iran rejected them, Tajikistan said no to them. we take 6million of them they make money here and all I get in reply is how bad we are.
admin khan you know I have no bad intentions I have been here for 3 months I love this website but members who are ungrateful to our good will are not of my favor.

Pakistan is an Islamic republic. We even banned facebook and youtube.

Banning facebook and youtube makes a country an Islamic republic? If that is the case then China is an Islamic republic as well, afterall it is banning the father of all - Google.

Pakistan is an Islamic superpower? I am sorry to break this to you, but it is neither Islamic not a superpower. It can not even contain the tribal belt insurgency, how can it be a super power?

1. If you are a practicing Muslim, you are excluded from out list of adversaries as long as you accept our territorial boundaries which includes NWFP.
2. How can you be an Islamic republic when you allow Americans launch drones attack from your soil on Muslims?
3. How can you be an Islamic republic when you do not declare a Fardh.
4. How can you be an Islamic republic when you have making billions of dollars at the expense of Muslim blood across the border?
5. How can you be an Islamic republic when you allow NATO/American to use your airspace and infrastructure to mount attacks on Muslims?
6. How can you be an Islamic republic when you annex Muslim land?
7. How can you be an Islamic republic when you don't want Shariah law?
8. How can you be an Islamic republic when you implement Anglo Saxon law?
9. Finally, how can you look me in the eyes as a Muslim if you can't sincerely answer these questions?

When you answer those questions like a true Muslim, I will shake your hand and embrace you as a Muslim brother.