what is nationlism?

[Punjabi]

Banning facebook and youtube makes a country an Islamic republic? If that is the case then China is an Islamic republic as well, afterall it is banning the father of all - Google.

Your argument is childish there.

Pakistan is an Islamic superpower? I am sorry to break this to you, but it is neither Islamic not a superpower. It can not even contain the tribal belt insurgency, how can it be a super power?

We have one of the best Armies in the world. Top 10 most strongest countries.

1. If you are a practicing Muslim, you are excluded from out list of adversaries as long as you accept our territorial boundaries which includes NWFP.

In your fantasy land we will.
NWFP is OURS, WAZIRISTAN IS OURS. Buy a Map and take a look at and see where it belongs. Its our land. They are not Afghan. You are Afghan. They are not. Stop trying to annex the region.

2. How can you be an Islamic republic when you allow Americans launch drones attack from your soil on Muslims?

Because they are getting rid of terrorists. The Enemies of Islam.

4. How can you be an Islamic republic when you have making billions of dollars at the expense of Muslim blood across the border?

We take those billions to feed the 6million refugees we took from Afghanistan. Have you not thought why your other neighbors all said no to you?

5. How can you be an Islamic republic when you allow NATO/American to use your airspace and infrastructure to mount attacks on Muslims?

To get rid of terrorists and extremists.

6. How can you be an Islamic republic when you annex Muslim land?

If that's the case then no one is a Muslim. Didn't your Kandaharis do the same?

7. How can you be an Islamic republic when you don't want Shariah law?

We also have non Muslims.

8. How can you be an Islamic republic when you implement Anglo Saxon law?

At least we are not sell outs.

9. Finally, how can you look me in the eyes as a Muslim if you can't sincerely answer these questions?

I just did and I am grilling at you.

When you answer those questions like a true Muslim, I will shake your hand and embrace you as a Muslim brother.

Done.

[akbarkhan]

Wow! I appreciate your response.

Now I have a lot of other questions but I think I will derail the topic.....could I start a topic titled ask Akbar Khan? I have a few Iran and Pakistan related questions..and a few Loy Afghanistan....I may be a woman but I am into politics

dera manana for your response, it means a lot. You are a +1 to our community and scholar list.

What ever tickles your fancy, discuss here or make a new thread. Who says women can't do politics? Afterall, one of Mohammad pbuh's advisors was a woman - Khadija Al-Kubra.

I am not a scholar, I am not even a student of a scholar.

[akbarkhan]

Pakistan is an Islamic republic. We even banned facebook and youtube.

You mean that comment was childish.

We have one of the best Armies in the world. Top 10 most strongest countries.

And one of the world's "top 10 most strongest countries" can not contain a few tribesmen armed with 1970s AK47s? :-)

[afghan]

Your argument is childish there.

We have one of the best Armies in the world. Top 10 most strongest countries.

In your fantasy land we will.
NWFP is OURS, WAZIRISTAN IS OURS. Buy a Map and take a look at and see where it belongs. Its our land. They are not Afghan. You are Afghan. They are not. Stop trying to annex the region.

Because they are getting rid of terrorists. The Enemies of Islam.

We take those billions to feed the 6million refugees we took from Afghanistan. Have you not thought why your other neighbors all said no to you?

To get rid of terrorists and extremists.

If that's the case then no one is a Muslim. Didn't your Kandaharis do the same?

We also have non Muslims.

At least we are not sell outs.

I just did and I am grilling at you.

Done.

mr.pandjabi how you can accept six million refugees from afghanistan but your pandjab and sindh did not accep its own IDPS? banning facebook and youtube is not because of the cartoons of mohammad, youtube is one of the best source of information, by baanig youtube you basecally forcing people tp watch and listen to your napak media.

[akbarkhan]

mr.pandjabi how you can accept six million refugees from afghanistan but your pandjab and sindh did not accep its own IDPS? banning facebook and youtube is not because of the cartoons of mohammad, youtube is one of the best source of information, by baanig youtube you basecally forcing people tp watch and listen to your napak media.

Why don't they ban Heera Mandayee instead of or as well as Youtube/Facebook?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Your argument is childish there.

We have one of the best Armies in the world. Top 10 most strongest countries.

In your fantasy land we will.
NWFP is OURS, WAZIRISTAN IS OURS. Buy a Map and take a look at and see where it belongs. Its our land. They are not Afghan. You are Afghan. They are not. Stop trying to annex the region.

Because they are getting rid of terrorists. The Enemies of Islam.

We take those billions to feed the 6million refugees we took from Afghanistan. Have you not thought why your other neighbors all said no to you?

To get rid of terrorists and extremists.

If that's the case then no one is a Muslim. Didn't your Kandaharis do the same?

We also have non Muslims.

At least we are not sell outs.

I just did and I am grilling at you.

Done.

Sell outs?

hahaha tell me to which country has your country leaders run off to????

You claim to have taken 6 million Afghans but fail to add into your claim the issue of payment, Pakistan does nothing for free, and we know the billions of dollars given to you by America to shelter Afghans, Plus the Afghans were sheltered and tkane care of by fellow Afghans called Pashtuns, You punjabis have never done anything free of charge, take this video for example



what terrorists? what about the 1000's of Punjabi Militants who attack Nato forces and also kill innocent Indian civilians such as the mumbai massacre?

Every terrorist caught in the west, has some link to Punjab Pakistan, so before you speak of ridding the world of terrorism, dont blaime Afghanistan for it, take a loook at your own Punjab.

And if Waziristan is yours, can you show me a single source where the people of waziristan actually were given a chance to vote to join Pakistan, as far as i know, Pakistan stole the tribal areas with British help, imforced the SAME BRIITSH LAWS THAT THE BRITISH USE TO FOLLOW such as the FCR and now they continue to prevent the tribals from even being politically aware, so mr Punjabi, if you think the Tribal areas are part of Pakistna, then that means that you mr Punjabi can live there? have you ever been to the tribal areas?

Pakistan is not a super power, A superpower does not live on the billions of dollars given to it by America and the west, you are a unnatural state, ran by greedy politicans prodominately from Punjab, you steal other provinces resoruces, you sold out to Islma, you dont ban nor close hera mandi, you proudly run muree brewee in rawalpindi, than you punjabis claim to be good and strong Muslims, in Punjab, you have turned Islam into Hinduism with all your fire worshipping and grave dancing.

I suggest before you insult afghans and Pashtuns and divide them, please, if you are so sure that the tribal areas are yours, then make a visit there and let see how well they take your Pakistaniyat.

[Espresso]

I have heard many so called Islamic scholars in Pakistan who told me that its not Haraam to be oppressed by a fellow Muslim, and they called me a Nationalist and a insult to Islam. Islam has become too much of a Political tool to these ISI looneys!

Pashtuns deserve their identity and own homeland where our language is the national language and we control our own affairs, sadly, we are bombarded with all these litrature teaching us to stay away from our rights(in Pakistan).

yeh same here in canada one pakistani brother told me that even if shaikh mujeeb was wronged he should have sacrificed and that the bengolis should not have fought against a muslim country i was like what the heck ? believe me he just told me straight to my face and then bomberded me with religious blackmailing trust me i was feeling like a piece of garbage, i mean i love islam i am a muslim but in no way would i let another muslim wrong me and do nothing so i decided to give him back a befitting reply i just shut him up with this one question asking him well my friend you say nationalism is bad so tell me what about Pakistan first or pakistani nationalism/pakistaniyat for that matter ?

[Espresso]

Sir Watch your mouth please. We have proud Pashtuns who will never join Afghanistan and in fact, they do not even want to be called Afghan.

Stop blaming everything on us, we are the Islamic superpower and one of the most modern Islamic nations.


We took 6million of you Afghans and this is our thanks? No wonder why Iran did not take your refugees and Tajikistan.

no you are not a super power by any lenght that one can probably measure and as for the legendary "I.S.I" sponsored term Islamic being used wherever it suits your agenda but specially used for the purpose of expanding pakistan's geo-political national interests and depth, spread of pakistaniyat etc in that too you are far from being even an regional power let a'lone of being a "Islamic superpower"

[Bengal_Tiger]

yeh same here in canada one pakistani brother told me that even if shaikh mujeeb was wronged he should have sacrificed and that the bengolis should not have fought against a muslim country i was like what the heck ? believe me he just told me straight to my face and then bomberded me with religious blackmailing trust me i was feeling like a piece of garbage, i mean i love islam i am a muslim but in no way would i let another muslim wrong me and do nothing so i decided to give him back a befitting reply i just shut him up with this one question asking him well my friend you say nationalism is bad so tell me what about Pakistan first or pakistani nationalism/pakistaniyat for that matter ?

Pakistanis are brainwashed into thinking Pakistan represents Islam.

A nation is essentially its people.

In 1971 the majority of the people of Pakistan were attacked by the army, that majority were Muslim Bengalis who were more than the population of West Pakistan.

Punjabis recieved support from America and China, and Bengalis from India.

Punjabis have been told that Bengalis "sided" with Hindus against Muslim.

NO.

Muslim Bengalis recieved help from Hindus against Punjabis. The 1971 war did not promote the cause of Hinduism in anyway. In Muslim Bangladesh today Indian Bollywood films are banned.

However karma is a reality.

Now the Taliban, including the Punjabi Taliban call the NA-PAKistan army a "Kafir" (disbeliever), "murtad" (apostate) army who are siding with non-Muslims (America) to kill Muslims.

They view the Pakistan army as traitors and enemies of Islam in the way the Punjabis have been brainwashed into thinking of the Mukti Bahini.