Fake and real future MAPS of Pashtunlands

[randolph85]

You may well be on your way to the biggoted camps the likes of white supermacists in your USA or the like of BNP in Britain. Very disappointing.

With all due respect now Khushal, tell me who the hell are you to say they are not "Afghan" but Afghanistan nationals, when it is the country's constitution that explicitly says "those who live in Afghanistan are Afghans"?

Arab and Israel is a differnt issue, and we certainly are no Israel. You may want to relax the thinking mode there, dear. We are all Afghans and majority of us are brothers, with the exception of the net biggots.

i dont believe he means what he says in a bigoted way. afghanistan(land of the afghans) was the name of pashtun areas long before there was a constitution or even an afghan state. this name, of course being exclusive to pashtuns only at the time, goes back as far back as baburs time. as we became a state/kingdom and spread, the name stuck and the land of the afghans became areas that afghans controlled rather than only inhabited.

it has only been when afghan emerged as a modern nation state that all its citizens were referred to as afghans. its all semantics anyways as all groups share the same rights, and if they don't, they should.

its like when people of saudi arabia are referred to as saudi despite not being part of the saud family, tajiks in uzbekistan are uzbeks, turkmen in tajikistan are tajiks and etc.

[ComradePashtun]

There are bigger crimes happening in Afghanistan, this is the least of your problems. It should be a crime to deny the Tajiks and Hazaras their due respect to their culture. Your Nationalist ideology is self destructive. When you try to integrate other people into your own culture and denying them theirs, you are only destroying yourself.

Nonsense! You live in your nutshell. Wrong once again! Try harder.

[ComradePashtun]

It is you who is a bigot. You are insulting the Tajiks and the Hazaras by denying them their own heritage, their own culture, you are trying to integrate them into the Afghan/Pashtun culture. This is wrong, they have a beautiful culture and heritage and they have the right to keep that as their own.

Yes it says "those who live in Afghanistan are Afghans" It says that in the Israeli constitution as well and it says that in the german constitution as well, but are the arabs ethnic Israeli or the Turks in Germany ethnic Germans.
The Americans live in Afghanistan as well, should we also call them Afghans.

No you are true biggot by all counts and logic. You are a proper biggot.

I am not denying him jacl sh!t. Afghanistan is a free country and he can do what he wants with himself, and so can I. We Pashtuns in Afghanistan are the most tolerant people, unlike Iranis or Pakistanis, that is the strenght Afghanistan has which after 30 years of war it is still a country and a nation. Culture is something not stagnant but fluid, it is just patterns and sum of human behaviour and is always revolved. Cultures brings people together than seperate them, it is an experience. All Afghans are influenced by each other. We are now beyond being seperated, and now we have a national culture in Afghanistan. Tajiks in Afghanistan have not much in common with Toojikistanis, as they do with their fellow Afghans. Just like many Pakistani Pashtuns who have gone through the machination of the Paki system and have very less in common with me and you.

[ComradePashtun]

i dont believe he means what he says in a bigoted way. afghanistan(land of the afghans) was the name of pashtun areas long before there was a constitution or even an afghan state. this name, of course being exclusive to pashtuns only at the time, goes back as far back as baburs time. as we became a state/kingdom and spread, the name stuck and the land of the afghans became areas that afghans controlled rather than only inhabited.

it has only been when afghan emerged as a modern nation state that all its citizens were referred to as afghans. its all semantics anyways as all groups share the same rights, and if they don't, they should.

its like when people of saudi arabia are referred to as saudi despite not being part of the saud family, tajiks in uzbekistan are uzbeks, turkmen in tajikistan are tajiks and etc.

We are not talking about history. You are not the only historian in the town.

Good, be proud of the history, no one is taking that away, Mr illogical.

[khushal]

Majority, 95% of Pakistani Pashtuns say they are Pakistani and Pashtuns, not an Afghan - that is exagerating it. Show me where it say in their passport that they are Afghan.

Well your arch rival Shahbaz Khan who is self claiming Pakistani Nationalist claims he is ethnic Afghan. Most Pakistani Pashtuns claim to be ethnic Afghan but Pakistani Nationals. You seem to be confused with the term ethnicity and nationality. You can change your nationality but you can not change your ethnicity.


na·tion·al·i·ty/ˌnaSHəˈnalitē/Noun

1. The status of belonging to a particular nation.


Ethnicity refers to shared cultural practices, perspectives, and distinctions that set apart one group of people from another. That is, ethnicity is a shared cultural heritage. The most common characteristics distinguishing various ethnic groups are ancestry, a sense of history, language, religion, and forms of dress

I don't have a Pakistani Passport since I am not a Pakistani but I am sure some one here on the Forum will eventually shed light on your question but I have seen Pakistani passports and it says Afghan under ethnic label for Pashtuns.

[ComradePashtun]

Khushal is impersonating himself to be a member of Tajikam. lol

Afghanistan is too strong, we will break the teeth of any Tajikams. That is why I started with Kabulzadah and Kadozadah's fake Tajik myth and shattered it to pieces. He can either stick to the myth or be Afghan like the rest of us free men of high mountains of pride, Suleman, Pamir, Speenghar and Hindukush. :-)

[khushal]

Nonsense! You live in your nutshell. Wrong once again! Try harder.

When you cant respond to my post this is all you have to say. Come on why dont you get a real education so you can actually make sense.

[ComradePashtun]

Well your arch rival Shahbaz Khan who is self claiming Pakistani Nationalist claims he is ethnic Afghan. Most Pakistani Pashtuns claim to be ethnic Afghan but Pakistani Nationals. You seem to be confused with the term ethnicity and nationality. You can change your nationality but you can not change your ethnicity.


na·tion·al·i·ty/ˌnaSHəˈnalitē/Noun

1. The status of belonging to a particular nation.


Ethnicity refers to shared cultural practices, perspectives, and distinctions that set apart one group of people from another. That is, ethnicity is a shared cultural heritage. The most common characteristics distinguishing various ethnic groups are ancestry, a sense of history, language, religion, and forms of dress

I don't have a Pakistani Passport since I am not a Pakistani but I am sure some one here on the Forum will eventually shed light on your question but I have seen Pakistani passports and it says Afghan under ethnic label for Pashtuns.

Hahaha so you present your case the Pakistani nationalist Sh"e"hbaz Khan. Lame!

Shahbaz Khan is a chargorrai/chargotai, he is no Afghan, for starter. Most Pakistani Pashtun, contrary to your false claim do no identify themselves as Afghan.

Look we can agree on that the noun "Afghan" is interchangeable for ethnicity and nationalisty. Although the first is not prevelant any more. Thank you.

[khushal]

i dont believe he means what he says in a bigoted way. afghanistan(land of the afghans) was the name of pashtun areas long before there was a constitution or even an afghan state. this name, of course being exclusive to pashtuns only at the time, goes back as far back as baburs time. as we became a state/kingdom and spread, the name stuck and the land of the afghans became areas that afghans controlled rather than only inhabited.

it has only been when afghan emerged as a modern nation state that all its citizens were referred to as afghans. its all semantics anyways as all groups share the same rights, and if they don't, they should.

its like when people of saudi arabia are referred to as saudi despite not being part of the saud family, tajiks in uzbekistan are uzbeks, turkmen in tajikistan are tajiks and etc.

Exactly,
when Arabs from Saudi Arabia call themseves saudis, they are not from the Family of Saud. These Nationalist are trying to create a nation in Afghanistan based on the constitution that the Americans wrote for them and they have failed miserably. They have no idea what they are doing and they have no ideas what they are saying. They believe the Afghans are sheep and they will believe anything they tell them. It is comrade who are sheep and you believe anything the Americans tell you.

We afghans/Pashtuns should keep our culture but it should not be imposed on others. the Nationalist ideology does not relate to this human right that people have. The Tajiks and the Hazaras as citizens of Afghanistan have all the equal rights of other citizens but they don't have to be called ethnic Afghans, they should be called by their own ethnic name because it would be wrong not to.

[khushal]

Hahaha so you present your case the Pakistani nationalist Sh"e"hbaz Khan. Lame!

Shahbaz Khan is a chargorrai/chargotai, he is no Afghan, for starter. Most Pakistani Pashtun, contrary to your false claim do no identify themselves as Afghan.

Look we can agree on that the noun "Afghan" is interchangeable for ethnicity and nationalisty. Although the first is not prevelant any more. Thank you.

You know nothing about the Pashtuns in Pakistan. You dont even know anything about the history of the region. You just spill you Nationalist non sense which is a self destructive ideology, it has destroyed Afghanistan once and it has destroyed many nations before it. You keep making the same mistake over and over again not learning from it which is the definition of insanity.
Your insanity have brought suffering to millions of people.

Your Nationalist ideology mirrors that of Shahbaz Khans. You hate each other but your ideology is the same. Your insane mind is bent on destroying Pakistan while his mind is bent on destroying India and Afghanistan. None of you Nationalists work to build your country but work to destroy others. you belong in a mental institution so millions could be saved from this destructive behavior.

[khushal]

No you are true biggot by all counts and logic. You are a proper biggot.

I am not denying him jacl sh!t. Afghanistan is a free country and he can do what he wants with himself, and so can I. We Pashtuns in Afghanistan are the most tolerant people, unlike Iranis or Pakistanis, that is the strenght Afghanistan has which after 30 years of war it is still a country and a nation. Culture is something not stagnant but fluid, it is just patterns and sum of human behaviour and is always revolved. Cultures brings people together than seperate them, it is an experience. All Afghans are influenced by each other. We are now beyond being seperated, and now we have a national culture in Afghanistan. Tajiks in Afghanistan have not much in common with Toojikistanis, as they do with their fellow Afghans. Just like many Pakistani Pashtuns who have gone through the machination of the Paki system and have very less in common with me and you.

I have more in common with my brethrens in KP than I do with you are the Tajiks and Hazaras. I share a common culture, language with them and the blood that runs in my veins is the same as theirs.
Culture is a beautiful thing and I agree it binds people but it separates people when one group tries to impose their culture on another which the ideology of the Nationalists. Leave this ideology and come to the side of human rights. I advise you to forget this self destructive ideology.

[Michin Khel]

Khushala people like you are dangerous for your country who thinks that pashtuns are the primary component of afghanistan and that afghanistan means land of pashtuns.

[graveyardofempires]

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stupid has arrived to talk his non sense

[khushal]

Khushala people like you are dangerous for your country who thinks that pashtuns are the primary component of afghanistan and that afghanistan means land of pashtuns.

What makes you think that I think that.

[ComradePashtun]

You know nothing about the Pashtuns in Pakistan. You dont even know anything about the history of the region. You just spill you Nationalist non sense which is a self destructive ideology, it has destroyed Afghanistan once and it has destroyed many nations before it. You keep making the same mistake over and over again not learning from it which is the definition of insanity.
Your insanity have brought suffering to millions of people.

Your Nationalist ideology mirrors that of Shahbaz Khans. You hate each other but your ideology is the same. Your insane mind is bent on destroying Pakistan while his mind is bent on destroying India and Afghanistan. None of you Nationalists work to build your country but work to destroy others. you belong in a mental institution so millions could be saved from this destructive behavior.

Like what, what do I not know about Pashtuns of Pakistan? Come then share your expertise so we know what really is that we do not know.

I am no seeking the destruction of Pakistan, I would be a fool to do so. For what? What is there for me? The mistakes were always your type of thinking and the nonsense Pashtunistan and Durand issues which was the bigging of that befell on Afghanistan. Afghanistan was fine then. I also have nothing against people like Shebazkhan who love Pakistan for what ever reason which is his personal choice. I am an Afghan and I love my country Afghanistan, you need to stop treating Shahbazkhan as if you have a freehold on him and is your slave.