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Nick

03-11-2007, 06:31 PM

:thumbup1: The Afghan Samanid Empire

The Samanids (875-999) (in Dari: Saman-i-han) were an Afghan dynasty in Eastern Iran, and Central Asia named after its founder Saman Khodh-i-Balkhi from Afghan Samandi tribe who rised from Balkh. It was among the first native Afghan dynasties in the Muslim world, who were non-Arabs. Samanids are considered the beginning of the Afghan nation. And the main spreaders of Sunni sact. Their rule lasted for 102 years and 10 days, and their territory encompassed of Mashad (Iran), Kandahar, Kabul, Samarkand, Takharistan, and Balkh.

To further legitimate the dynasty, the Samanids claimed to be descendants of the Samandi/Samandizia tribe and once an Avestian Bactrian speakers of Takharistan.They revived the Afghan culture and gave a birth to a new language called Dari. Dari is a mixture of Avestian (Pashtu), Palavi (western Iranian) and Quranic (Arabic). Their capitals were Balkh, Herat, Ghowr and Baghlan at one point Mashad (IRAN) and Samarkand (Russia) the other lasting contribution besides Language of the Samanids to the history of Islamic art is the pottery known as Samanid Epigraphic Ware. Plates, bowls, and pitchers fired in a white slip and decorated only with calligraphy, often elegantly and rhythmically written. The Arabic phrases are generally more or less generic well wishes, or admonitions to good table manners. However, it is difficult to say that Dari was the dominant language in all spheres of life in the Samanid Empire.

Most of the theological and philosophical works were still written in Arabic, which was the academic language in the Islamic world. Even the Afghan and Iranian scholars, who were mentioned bellow mostly wrote in Arabic, and there also was developed Arabic literature in the Samanids period. On the other hand there were many other local eastern Iranian languages like Sakai (A Bakhtrian branch) Bakhtarian/Pakhtrian (Pashtu), Palavi (Old language of Pars/Farsi). In addition to that, Arabic was the language of religious practice for the Muslims. So that was one of main reason why Arabic writing was used.

As time past Samanid went far from Khorashan border into Iranian land, and past the Dari language which once was forgotten duo to Arab influnce. Since the language shared many words with Iranian language of Palavi, Iranian adapt the new language and named it Parsi (After their Palavi). By the end of Afghan Gaznavide Empire, Parsi became the first language of "Persians". But For Afghans it remain to be Dari until now. Many westerners think that Dari was born out of Persian, the fact is Persian is just bilingual of Dari. Dari is the real language where Arabic, Avestian and Palavi mixture takes place.



From the mid-10th century, Samanid power was gradually undermined, was losing power amongs, its people economically by the interruption of outsiders and politically by a struggle with a confederation of disaffected nobles. The Samanids became under pressure from the rising Altic/Turkish powers in Central Asia who came from the north. And Arabs from the west. Nuh II (976-997), to retain at least nominal control, he confirmed Sebüktigin, a former Turkish slave, who was bought by Afghans from Iranians made him as semi-independent ruler of Balkh and appointed his son Mahmud governor of Ghazni knowing that his power was geting attacked from the north, and the power should be past to the once who can unite the people.

The Turkish Karakhanids, who then occupied the greater part of Transoxania. Soon the Karakhanids allied with Arabs/Iranians to deposed the Samanid Mansur II, taking possession of Afghanistan. The last Samanid, Ismail II, after a five-year struggle against the Qarakhanids from the north, was assassinated in 1005. Thats when Mahmud of Ghazni steped in, to take power before Turks, and Arabs, continued with the Afghan culture and made Dari the world class language. And made Afghanistan, the central
Islamic civilization.


Afghan Poets/Artists during Samanids:

Shahidi Balkhi,
Abushukuri Balkhi
Pbiai Balkhi,
Ahmadi Daqiqi
Abu Ali ibn Sina

Non-Afghans Poets/Artists
Abdulqasim Firdausi
Abubakr Muhammad Narshakh
Al-Khwarazmi
The slave Al-Turk Abu Dulaf
Al-Maqdisi


Samanid kings:

Samanid Amirs
Saman Khoda (819 - 864)
Nasr I (864 - 892)
Ismail I (892 - 907)
Ahmad II (907 - 914)
Nasr II (914 - 943)
Hamid Nuh I (943 - 954)
Abdül-Malik I (954 - 961)
Mansur I (961 - 976)
Nuh II (976 - 997)
Mansur II (997 - 999)

First of all Who gave you the right to say that I created that article, for days I searched cause when few days ago you tried to blackmailed me, and blame me that I made it up. And that you idiotically claim there is no such tribe as Samanzai etc.LOL I prove you wrong and educated you that we have huge number of them. So anyways I was curious and so I knew I got the article from internet. So here the question to you is How do you know that is mine. Sure I see my influence and perhaps might of copied my views and created his own. But this has been there in the net since 2006 LOL http://www.freewebs.com/afghanempires/samanid.htm. So that’s where I got from and sure it has mistakes but hey as I asked you Shias how do you know Samanids were not Afghan but Persian? and the one you provided quoting me is from 2007? LOL

BTW I did not claim that Samanids were Pashtun. I simply claim it as an Afghan Empire. Why an Afghan empire. First of all let’s look at the region where? Afghanistan right? Before Mongolians, Arabs and even Persians these regions were mostly home of Afghan race right? So the question is why call it Persian when Perian ie Fars is just an region like Karman, and Mazandaran.
Ok you want to go detail fine who were the soldiers of Samanids? From Planet XKKA or from Iraq or from India? Right from Afghanistan, natives right. You want to go based on language in modern sense of regional belonging sure, ask this How many Zabuli soldiers did Khalafa provided to Saman Khoda to rule Balkh and Herat? Right 12,000 Zabuli soldiers were given today Zabulistan is 90-95%% Pashtu and that is not modern Zabol but from Eastern Iran to Western Pakistan all of these regions are 95% Pashtu speakers. Or are you saying that Ghangis Khan did not came from the north but from India and cleaned out the original habitants? LOL

You want to go with Shahnameh, Ok so Saman Khoda was the founder right? Ok now who was Saman Khoda? Well according to Abu Qasim he was decedent of Sassanian king Behram Cobin from Herat, Right?And according to Iranians in Herat was located one of the seven houses of Sassanian “Palavi” loyalties and since he Behram Cobin was an Iranian Sassanian king he must be “Persian” Right? Wrong. The fact that even a line from Hottaks were also Iranian kings as well should he be also be called “Persian”. Leave that question aside every Iranian source talks against Behram him and yet he was praised by post Islamic historians from Afghan region. Why? Because he fought against Persians right?, yes my dear he fought against Persians, but why? Fight his own Persian when yet Persian and even non-Persians who share common religion with Persian shia side with Persian that Behram was “Persian” and Proud he must be! Right? . He ruled for one year and then killed by who? By Persians, right? So he was Persian, killed Persian and then ruled for one year LOL and now he is proudly called “Persian”

LOL I am sure Behram Chobin would of committed suicide as well if he was alive to hear this. Ok so his forced were pushed back to Afghanistan not to India or Iraq right? Now if you are a Shia Iranian you would not back off. I know you would of argued that Behram according to fake Iranica at Behram Cobin was from “Ragh” LOL and that word Ragh was Islamified into modern Ray lol Ragh we have in Badakhshan as well mentioned in much older Islamic sources that Ray lol is our Badakhshan. So Regionally still racially the mountainous Pamiri race is same as Afghan race says so DNA. Despite all who was his supporters, right from Khorasan lol you love the word Khorasan right. An anti-Sassanian right? Wasn’t he the one who killed thousands of Persian, wasn’t he the one whose forces came from Zabulistan (Taberi), Balkh and Kabul to finish of Sassanians? Someone should read Shahaname, might get a sense that he was Iranian and yet Iranian was somewhat pity because of the creation of Abu Qasim about his half-sister, also being his wife bad mouthing Behram Chobin leader whom was loved by Khorasanis. Perhaps this is the reason why Mahmud of Ghanzi kicked him out of his Court. In all of post-Islamic documents only one source proves him as “bad” guy and that Shahnameh and yet everyone else says he is yet another “Suri” who wanted to break away from Sassanians.

Now I may refer to the era that argues Afghans were not Sassanians and yet they were controlled by means of so called Kushanshah. Someone unaware of history might say well they was no Kushan, but should ask this question then who were the Kushanshahs? Good once you get the answer you will notice that yes Afghans were also rulers, governors as well as Generals and commanders. Sassanians unable to control Afghans had to make sure Kushanshah are still active and yet still remain loyal to Sassanians, thus so that Iranian can conclude “Sassanian ruled Afghanistan”.

[Nick]

The works of Nick are worthless because they are fakes. He in the mid of his tweenties and yet have not even finished a real school and his works try to claim others achievements for only for Pashtuns and falsyfie even scholars works or invent new terms that do not exist. If you believe such a person, it´s your right. But noone will take you serious. Outside this forum Nick have gave up with his BS and biass, why? Your logic does not make sense. .

LOL Yes I am still in school as I said so many times, but here I have to tell you that I have Bachelor of Applied International Business some long time ago lol LOL yep still in school. No I won’t reveal my age. I remember meeting with some of the kind members ofthisforum including Admin of this forum, a great and knowledgeable person, and other individuals. I remember asking everyone who is the oldest, and came down to professor Taramona and after him I was second oldest. The youngest of us was 23 or 24 I can’t remember who was the youngest person.
Abu muslim To me you are still that same kid who used to put pictures of animal's faces on human faces well on faces of our leaders and ye the same idiot trying to tell others about me lol.




Are you attacking me Iranica has lost its credibility. If so would you like to tell to explain to us we should fallow Iranica.

LOL I am sorry a list of errors has been long been debated on which I will not go one by one. However I am nothing there, compare to many many Farsiwans, specially poets whom I have close relationship with continuously point out to the errors which Iranica makes, and had made specially in their articles from 1984. No I am not the reason lol its IRanica itself for making up BS and all the lies which until this day many Ismailis, and Ghalis or other enemies of Afghanistan use against Afghans.

[Nick]

Nick is maybe a Dari-speaking Arab or whatever but he is not accepeted among Dari-speakers. That´s why he ran to this forum. In real life he is posibly a very pathetic person.

Maybe an Arab, maybe a Dari speaker yeah whatever you say Abu Muslim.
Am I an Arab? LOL Are you saying this because I defeated Persian supremacy of the so called “Persian Pride” everything about Persian Language and stop you people from dissing Arab language. LOL Just because God give me a gifted brain to translate farsi text and connect its root from Arabic is not something new. Do you want me to post Mullahzeh’s videos as well.? It’s a fact. No I don’t speak Arabic that well but sure I can read and have books piled up. I am educated enough to know what is Arabic and what is Persian. As I have always said there is no Pure Persian and that Persian is created from many languages and Arabic is its foundation by over 50%. So respect Arabic if you want to respect your language.

I've met Nick, I've hanged out with him. He is Afghan inside and out. We had a PF meet up, so a bunch of us met up. We aren't just keyboard warriors my friend. We, for the most part, know each other personally. Not that it matters.

Shame on you. Please, do me a favor and don't live up to the stereotypes coined by your enemies. People say that most Tajiks simply accuse people of nonsense, without proof. And here you are, assuming Nick is pathetic in a lame attempt to defame him because his views aren't in alignment with yours. For the sake of whatever God you believe in, refrain from false-accusations. It's against Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

Thanks brother for your kind words, these people don’t know themselves what they are talking about. I know you don’t me to say this but is the problem we have with our Shia brothers. As you may agree that I am racist against Shias its aright for them to attack me, after all their Ismaili forum is not going any well either. So they come here to continue their BS.
As you know I have never been banned from any forum before, and I still log in and respect as I post facts and not BS. Besides Check any forum which I have been from Iranian forum (Which does not exists anymore). I may be had 4000 posts but aside from that in any other forums my posts do not exceed more than 3000 and even in Afgonline I have 2000 posts yet useful posts that can be found in google search engine. Not some BS crap as these anti-Afghan possing as us, make daily BS claim on their forum or any forums. These 3 stooges have made their own people enemy of us sunnis why? For what? Don’t they have any relative in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is land of Afghans and for any group who is non-Afghan will suffer because of people like these in the west who use Western power of Media to spread their Hate and BS.

[Nick]

For some who are not aware of what this joker is saying is nothing but Persian propagandas. You people shell know that I have a great deal of history involved with these arguments and such mentality. I was posting great arguments in the Iranian.com some long time ago, I can’t remember if those posts of mine are still exist out there (2001 and 2003).

I became involved when Pan-Iranism reached its hippy happy days, ok I shell say I was too involved and sort of regard that I was so influenced by Iranians. The whole argument came down to unity of Afghanistan and Iran and to be called Persia. Now with Pan-Iranism if people remember in 2004 was fake it was a major issue for the pro-Afghans, and I was not a pro-Afghan back then very much of close to accepting to what Iranians used to say as I was naïve. All I cared about was playing soccer lol.
As years past many questions came to my mind as I researched and looked for answers in every question there was confusion. Despite living in Tajikistan for years did not return become. The first confusion was why are we called “Tajik”? when I was in Tajikistan I knew why people are called “Tajiks” because of their tongue. Coming here it was still not an issue until 9/11 and only in 2003 and 2004 and specially in 2005 when Western Media were really digging into this “Pashtun vs Tajik” propaganda. The second confusion came why are we calling ourselves “Afghan” and not Tajiks, as the westerners. Being in Tajikistan I knew why. Because we don’t live in Tajikistan, why not in an ethnic way of being as proud as Pashtuns? 2nd confusion was explained when my cousins came from Iran. Along with them came the sense of Iranian ethics, people, culture, religion, dialect, and very much I was bombarded with such huge info as if I been to Iran. So I did made a short visit to Iran, when one of our cousins went back to get married, and then I made my 2nd visit to Afghanistan and this was after my first visit (2000). Anyways in 2003-2005 as a college student I was involved in Afghan student Association created in 2003 in Humber College in the city of Toronto, Canada. Good old days I remember Sear Azizi still coming in once a while attending college, BTW if you guys don’t know who he is. Sear Azizi is a great singer and I friend of mine I even called him for my wedding in 2005. His Voice is great, actually the best for Mahfelli songs, feel sorry for him as he lost fame and his younger brother who was killed in a fight.

Anyways back to the questions I was now shifting from an Pan-Iranism to asking question to which most people did, specially the Pashtuns of my age. I remember there were not lots of them in Toronto back in old days, so my shift from pro-Persian to Pro-Afghan was the result of knowing the fake and lies of Persian and their propaganda. I remember in 2003 we had to sign a form and send to major Arab/middle eastern stores, such as famous Naser store located in Warden/Lawrence of Scarborough, Toronto region. Naser bought new breads produced by newly growing Afghan bakeries and all of us teenagers signing saying that his bread label should be changed from “Afghan bread” to “Persian Bread” Shameless as I was, and I would assume back then there were Iranian bakeries and they wanted to have these contracts especially from Naser which was big and the only Halal store in our area. As compare to now mashallah its let Halal everywhere.
Since Iranians as they were huge in number compare to us Afghans generated their identity. When yet the bread was not even known in Iran in fact it’s only made in Iran by the Afghani refugees . In fact it’s called “Nan-e-barbari” a bread, does not even belong to Iran, according to Iranians it came from far East and point to their Khorasan province. LOL Persian LOL why should it be called Persian bread when yet its famous all over Afghanistan where as in Iran its only in their Khorasan province. A question that took me back to Mughal era and far as dated to be called “Pathani nan” a long bread of U shaped and its was so long that it was made as U shape to make sure its two corners are held by two Shikhs from each end. Wow Someone might say “Who cares it’s just a bread” Yes but it’s about identity of bread and where it came from doesn’t that matter. If not why did Iranians wanted to claim it? Because it was to be famous and looks cool? Why should Iran claim everything as their own? Again this is matter of Identity.

Over the years finally Iranian.com as well as many other Iranian sites came under pressure and attack from 2006 it was clear that this fake ideology was to fall. Our questions continually came over the issue of Farsi and Persian. The Iranians world-wide especially in the west wanted this language to be called “Persian” and not Farsi. Many conferences were held in the newly build Afghan mosque such as in Kipling, from a mosque turned into a cultural place. Some of the famous poets and many others invited and information was given that Persian is not Farsi, and two are different as well as different dialect.
The Dari speakers had enough of such BS, many of us wrote letters as well as memos and other forms and send to Government offices, companies of informing of our tongue and respecting our identity. Such question as “why is there “Persian” in the high school registration form? And why Persian nurses do is called when yet we requested “Farsi” or Afghan “Dari” translators. Why does an Iranian translators are send to new comers of Afghan Farsi origin when yet they have difficulties communicating. What’s the reason of having these translators when in no use to Dari speakers? These were some of the actions we took between 2005-2006. Now if someone in this forum from Canada, Toronto will understand and those who are new and easily circle their language as “Dari” in many forms and face to face talking to “Dari” translators should thank us, as it was merely impossible before 2005.


Brothers recognize your enemies; the whole problem in Afghanistan is all based on the fact that we are grown up without proper education. Zahir Shah cared little and after Daud no-one send their kids to school, in the last 40 years every country has history book by thousands, where as we lol never mine I won’t even say it. Only one book that made its way to Iranica and Wikipedia and that too copied from Iran, it was by Mahmud Ghobar I have his book in my hand at the moment. Many of our enemies like the person above makes direct attacks because he can’t find recent historical arguments. Whereas most countries already developed their BS argument for the past 40 years, its not for us to give up.

Don’t believe in me and don’t believe in wikipedia or Iranica do a research yourselves. Look at the vague arguments Iranians use and make a judgment if it makes sense.

I will ask you all One question. Did anybody read Shahnameh, did anybody read Hafiz? Well if you read Hafiz all he says as dissing Shais, and if you read Shahnameh all the regions mentioned in the book at least 80% of the regions are in Afghanistan, and over 70% of the book covers only history of Afghanistan. So now let’s talk about this, why is everything in Shahnameh claimed by Iranians?


Brothers and sisters don't believe in what I say discover your own history.
Afghan history goes 200 years, just think about it. Egypt has long most detailed documented and recorded history in the world. Now just because modern language is shared with Arab does not mean they shell forget their old 7000 years old history.
Same with pre-Azari history of western Iran. Just because 40% of western Iran speaks Azari does not mean the history of Greater Azarbijan post ottaman goes for Arabs because Arabic was the first language.

If we are informed of our history we would not be pushed around by these iranians and their BS we can't just say O I am pashtun and forget about this and this or that. Until when we are going to run from such issues when some idiot comes and BS and we say nothing simply we hav't their sources

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

@ Nick

You now just deleted your sighn from your own post and now you claim another one have wrote it for you. How ridicolous is that? http://www.pashtunforums.com/politic...6/index21.html

The attaches reveal your actions and your names and the way how you spread your BS. Of course the afghanempires belong to you. You have two ''friends'' who are in fact my friends, too. Just to tell you the truth. You can not fool anyone. Calling Samanids as Samanzai (as you originally did before changing it to fake ''Samandi'' lol) is making out of them Pashtuns or give them a Pashtun identity. Don´t deny on that.

BTW I did not claim that Samanids were Pashtun. I simply claim it as an Afghan Empire. Why an Afghan empire. First of all let’s look at the region where? Afghanistan right? Before Mongolians, Arabs and even Persians these regions were mostly home of Afghan race right? So the question is why call it Persian when Perian ie Fars is just an region like Karman, and Mazandaran.

BS. What is ''Afghan race''? Pashtun is an identity, an ethnicity not a race. Beside that, those regions were populated by people who were already mixed with any kind of Aryans from east and west Asia.

From Planet XKKA or from Iraq or from India? Right from Afghanistan

Afghanistan did not exist then. Should Tajiks call Uzbekistan as Tajikistan when they write articles about Samanids? Stop bluffing, liying and slandering. It was me who revealed among your ''Dosta'' your real face.

ask this How many Zabuli soldiers did Khalafa provided to Saman Khoda to rule Balkh and Herat? Right 12,000 Zabuli soldiers were given today Zabulistan is 90-95%% Pashtu and that is not modern Zabol but from Eastern Iran to Western Pakistan all of these regions are 95% Pashtu speakers. Or are you saying that Ghangis Khan did not came from the north but from India and cleaned out the original habitants? LOL

You have no clue about geography, right? First of all, the region Zabul in modern Afghanistan was not populated by Pashtuns as you can read in many chronices since the rulers had Afghan wifes who were Hindus and convertees. What yesterday was and today is there is a big big big difference, in culture, ethnical compostion and history. Second, this Zabul is possibly taken from Zebulon, so it was a jewish centre that felt under Arab rule. But there is another Zabul between Sistan Afghanistan and Sistan Iran/mekran region. I do not judge you on that because you do not know that as many other things. It´s not your fault but the way your write is just pathetic. One can assume a 10years old child had written it playing with his fantasies.

You want to go with Shahnameh, Ok so Saman Khoda was the founder right? Ok now who was Saman Khoda? Well according to Abu Qasim he was decedent of Sassanian king Behram Cobin from Herat, Right?And according to Iranians in Herat was located one of the seven houses of Sassanian “Palavi” loyalties and since he Behram Cobin was an Iranian Sassanian king he must be “Persian” Right?

You see, you have no clue. Firs of all Saman was a region in Balkh and not a Person. He just used his family´s surename with the region where he was born...which was Saman, so Saman Khoda. Ferdowsi never claimed for Saman Khoda. Saman Khoda self traced his lineage to Bahram Chobin, a memer of Khorasanian Parthian house. Still he will be an ancestor of Tajiks. No matter what he was. Today people, even Arabs, Turks... are all descandnats of Turks, Arabs, Iranians and so on. The same way Pashtun nation came to life the same way the Persians, Tajiks and many more came to life. By unification of different regions populated by different people but with common interests, culture, language if they are not assimilated before. The rest of your BS just show your understanding of history and your logic. Not worth to go on with. Keep writing and faking. Do you think anyone is recognizing you? You alone against hundred thousand of scholars, historians, archeologists and the man who is right it is only you

Ps: I like your maps. On which fantasies, sorry, I mean which basis you work on them?

[Nick]

You know exactly what I meaned. They are no Afghans. They are citizen of Pakistan and ethnic Pashtuns but they are no Afgahns. Even brother ComradePashtun agree on that. Afghan lost his original meaning. Noone can do anything for that fact.



How many of them are reliable and bases their sources on the last by socialist government led census? I have a lexicon from 2000. There, it is attested Pashtuns make 60%. That assumptation was just adoptet of older ''official'' Afghan claims. If Pashtuns are the majority why can´t they express that? Neither in the public nor in the parliament? Because there is no majority. It´s a myth. They are a majority compared to Uzbeks, to Hazaras but self represent also a minority in a country full of minorities.




You are not related with Dari language and literature, are you? From where do you have that figure 50%? It is true that in our slangs we have a lot of foreign words but in the written language my friend and brother, Dari can provide Dari equivalents to Arabic. Just open a dictionary and count those Dari words you never heard about them. The problem is majoritry of our poeople are illiterate and thus such words can only be used on the basis of Higher Education in universities. Today, the University of Balkh and some scholars like Nader Partaw are wroking for purifying Dari as much as it is possible, a process that Pashtu did not survived. Pashtu self is a language where 50% are taken from Dari, 35% of Arabic(inlcuding the Pashtunized ones) and the rest are either not native or native words. But unlike Dari, Pashtu has the problem it can´t provide equivalent words. They established Pashtu Tolana and spent many millions in it but at the end it failed.


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Pashtu self is a language where 50% are taken from Dari, 35% of Arabic(inlcuding the Pashtunized ones)

I don't the read the rest of BS put I wanted to know where made you think that in developmeent Pashtu=Dari that you replaced Palavi with Arabic and Dari with Arabic.
Who the hell is Nader Qertaki? I know you Ismailis always used one famous Ismaili so called "Baktari" and now who is this? Did he say 50% of Pashtu is Dari and 35% Arabic LOL he must of read one of my comments in regards to Persian which I wrote 50% Arabic and 35% Palavi.

[Albani_Rahmat_Kabulzada]

Whatever Nick keep on BSiting as much as you can. We will be amused. At least I have an own language and identity. You are not even recognized lol

Pashtu=Dari

[Nick]

@ Nick

You now just deleted your sighn from your own post and now you claim another one have wrote it for you. How ridicolous is that? http://www.pashtunforums.com/politic...6/index21.html

The attaches reveal your actions and your names and the way how you spread your BS. Of course the afghanempires belong to you. You have two ''friends'' who are in fact my friends, too. Just to tell you the truth. You can not fool anyone. Calling Samanids as Samanzai (as you originally did before changing it to fake ''Samandi'' lol) is making out of them Pashtuns or give them a Pashtun identity. Don´t deny on that.

BS. What is ''Afghan race''? Pashtun is an identity, an ethnicity not a race. Beside that, those regions were populated by people who were already mixed with any kind of Aryans from east and west Asia.

Afghanistan did not exist then. Should Tajiks call Uzbekistan as Tajikistan when they write articles about Samanids? Stop bluffing, liying and slandering. It was me who revealed among your ''Dosta'' your real face.

You have no clue about geography, right? First of all, the region Zabul in modern Afghanistan was not populated by Pashtuns as you can read in many chronices since the rulers had Afghan wifes who were Hindus and convertees. What yesterday was and today is there is a big big big difference, in culture, ethnical compostion and history. Second, this Zabul is possibly taken from Zebulon, so it was a jewish centre that felt under Arab rule. But there is another Zabul between Sistan Afghanistan and Sistan Iran/mekran region. I do not judge you on that because you do not know that as many other things. It´s not your fault but the way your write is just pathetic. One can assume a 10years old child had written it playing with his fantasies.

You see, you have no clue. Firs of all Saman was a region in Balkh and not a Person. He just used his family´s surename with the region where he was born...which was Saman, so Saman Khoda. Ferdowsi never claimed for Saman Khoda. Saman Khoda self traced his lineage to Bahram Chobin, a memer of Khorasanian Parthian house. Still he will be an ancestor of Tajiks. No matter what he was. Today people, even Arabs, Turks... are all descandnats of Turks, Arabs, Iranians and so on. The same way Pashtun nation came to life the same way the Persians, Tajiks and many more came to life. By unification of different regions populated by different people but with common interests, culture, language if they are not assimilated before. The rest of your BS just show your understanding of history and your logic. Not worth to go on with. Keep writing and faking. Do you think anyone is recognizing you? You alone against hundred thousand of scholars, historians, archeologists and the man who is right it is only you

Ps: I like your maps. On which fantasies, sorry, I mean which basis you work on them?

You now just deleted your sighn from your own post and now you claim another one have wrote it for you. How ridicolous is that? http://www.pashtunforums.com/politic...6/index21.html

What sign from what Post? As I said I copied it from Interenet just like you Shais ones copied it from Gocities websites and placed in wikipedia.

The attaches reveal your actions and your names and the way how you spread your BS. Of course the afghanempires belong to you. You have two ''friends'' who are in fact my friends, too. Just to tell you the truth.

Well I help around with people some long ago when they asked for help. But just because I help them with their paper studies/assignment in regards to Afghanistan and it has my views does not mean I own them. There are 100 of websites of such and they all have some kind of uniqe discovery in them but just because thy are the truth and anti-Iranian, does not mean I own them. Unlike you guys who own like god knows how many sites and acccounts just to spread your Shia BS around we don't do such promotion. And maybe we should but then there is Allah and those who are scared of doing such acts can be punished by allah. Since we are not Ghalis we are not as goood spreading BS but sure truth gets out.

You have two ''friends'' who are in fact my friends, too. Just to tell you the truth

No I don't have two friends lol I have dozens of them and we Farsiwans meet in the mosque, tim hortin, coffee shops every week, or every 3 weeks we discuss but mostly about Islam, history and politics. So no I don't know what you are talking about.

Calling Samanids as Samanzai (as you originally did before changing it to fake ''Samandi'' lol) is making out of them Pashtuns or give them a Pashtun identity. Don´t deny on that.

No the one you have is mine but the one from freewebs is original so think of what-ever you want, I pretty much made a challege to you Shias by Pashtun identity by which you people fallen into Comma. So now bring my other posts as well which defeated and clean you people out of afgonline forum. LOL why just bring one?

BS. What is ''Afghan race''? Pashtun is an identity, an ethnicity not a race. Beside that, those regions were populated by people who were already mixed with any kind of Aryans from east and west Asia.

Pashtun is applied to group of classified people lingustically speaking same language. Ie its not even ethicity as much as people it is. However Afghan is a racial terms whichj applies to many Afghan tribes whom also speaks other languages including Dari, hindko, etc etc as many languages as possible but their identity remains same. Just as majority of Afghan Farsiwans we call ourself "Afghan" regardless to what happens. We don't say "Tajik" because that word is new in its application as well as its origin being applied to Turkic PErsian speakers of central Asia. So very much in old this word applied to new immigrants who came to Afghanistan.

Afghanistan did not exist then. Should Tajiks call Uzbekistan as Tajikistan when they write articles about Samanids? Stop bluffing, liying and slandering. It was me who revealed among your ''Dosta'' your real face.

LOL Reveal what? Tajiks of Uzbekistan. I have been to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. They all look same to me.
I always ask Ghalis living in Americas who had never even seen Tajikistan or Uzbekkstan or its people and talk BS. Get a settlitte TV open up Tajik based TV channels such as Donyahemo, etc and look at their culture, dialect and faces and the way they speak, then at least you will know what I am talking about. They are all same so why argue that Uzbekistan was Tajikistan when there was not even Tajik before Mongoilids.



You people know nothing, as always you people defame the Pashtuns because you Ismailis suffered under their rule, so called dominated "Pashtun" taliban well why now? There are no Talibans anymore, doesn't the biggest Ismaili organizations walk around freely in Afghanistan. You guys got your freedom so what is it that you people want?

You have no clue about geography, right? First of all, the region Zabul in modern Afghanistan was not populated by Pashtuns as you can read in many chronices since the rulers had Afghan wifes who were Hindus and convertees. What yesterday was and today is there is a big big big difference, in culture, ethnical compostion and history. Second, this Zabul is possibly taken from Zebulon, so it was a jewish centre that felt under Arab rule. But there is another Zabul between Sistan Afghanistan and Sistan Iran/mekran region. I do not judge you on that because you do not know that as many other things. It´s not your fault but the way your write is just pathetic. One can assume a 10years old child had written it playing with his fantasies.

So now you want to attack Zabulistan? and their famous history making and they were king makers, which even the Pashtuns are not aware of?
and you sit to saying is that Rulers of Zabulistan I would assume you are talking Islamic era had Hindu wifes lol and convertees by which Pashtuns came about. Indeed you have gone wrong you that same loser who posted human pictures with pictures of animal's head. Since you have heard or have look any my arguments and now you come to argue so what Pashtuns and history of Zabulistan belongs to JEws. Knowing that Pashtuns hate jews, and here you are trying to defame history of Zabulistan?

So now since you might think that above two comments were to be BS you wanted to say vagully that there is another Zabul between Sistan Afghanistan and Sistan Iran/mekran region" so now you want to say at last that if any history and pride from Zabulistan must belong to a city which is the Western end of Zabulistan in modern Iran, therefore all of its history belongs to Iran?

Kid grow up Zabulistan was not an small city called "Zabol" IRan and second of even if you claim that Zabul yet still its native population in Iran are majority Pashtuns.

You see, you have no clue. Firs of all Saman was a region in Balkh and not a Person. He just used his family´s surename with the region where he was born...which was Saman, so Saman Khoda. Ferdowsi never claimed for Saman Khoda. Saman Khoda self traced his lineage to Bahram Chobin

WTH God Abu muslim you are a loser, Saman a region lol if you would of said a region was named after his death, but you BS about his family surname u BS? He changed his name Abu Muslim and you saying Ferdowsi never claimed for Saman Khoda's backround? idiot where did you get your sources from? did saman Khoda came to you? If it wasn't for Ferdosi you would not of said such BS. BTW now I know you people didn't even read Shahnameh, and here you come to talk about "Persian" BS I bet you can't read proper Farsi either. Wonder why you ghalis are so lost. But it can't be most Ghalis read everything in Farsi, Farsi to them is tongue of their God or maybe its just you.

[Nick]

Whatever Nick keep on BSiting as much as you can. We will be amused. At least I have an own language and identity. You are not even recognized lol

Do you ever wonder in Afghan TV channels and many other discussions we Farsiwan call you people "Ghali" lol Find out why, than you will know what belongs to you and where you belong.

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Nick dont waste your time

[Manzareh]

Do you ever wonder in Afghan TV channels and many other discussions we Farsiwan call you people "Ghali" lol Find out why, than you will know what belongs to you and where you belong.

Why do you say "Ghali" and what does it mean.

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[Nick]

Why do you say "Ghali" and what does it mean.

Ghali comes from "Ghalihat" usually people who over exaggerate everything and even the smallest thing such as one shia killed by a sunni would be like millions of demonstrators in Iran.

Ghalis are usually hippocrates considered iqnorant, aside from practice of their Shirki believes etc. They usually and almost all the time hide their identity, for example they would represent all Dari speakers just to spread their BS and make war within Ummah or Sunni belivers and try to divide their societies by means of their minor difference. The Ghalis of Afghanistan are the most ricest group of people, and if approched by an Hannifa they would even pray like an Hannifa and at night drink wine. I remembered in Tajikistan this was something common. Usually people are good but their culture is by far away from Islam. What's hard is identifing a Ghali cause there is no race involved and so an idealogy of hate that developes naturally. Like that of Persians hating on Arab speakers, so much that they tend to forget that there Shias whose mother tongue is Arabic, there was once upon a time that all of Iran was Arabic speakers, and yet dominated group in Iran until Suljak era. Yet they hate Arabs so much that now they want to purify "Persian" LOL despite Arabic is what Persian came from.
I gave you these examples and I hope you understand. The Ghalis of Afghanistan are Anti-Pashtu, they hate Pashto as a language, people, Race or anything. Don't ask me why but historically for thousents of years minority Shia groups suffered in Afghanistan, be it if it was Zabulistanis of ghazniwads or Ghurids, Abdur Rahman or Ahmad Shah Massoud, Hekmatyar or Taliban. As Always their suffering by the names of dominated lead them to even hide identity, and even post pictures of Ahmad Shah Massud and diss ummah of Hannifa. This is what they all do, and now they are involved in the Politics of Afghanistan which is I asked what is it that they want?