Fake and real future MAPS of Pashtunlands

[khushal]

Just two examples. Why ANA means Afghan National Army and not Tajik or Hazaraa or Pashtun Ntaional Army? Why you call Wahid Kazimi an Afghan and not a Tajik. Why is Mozhdha called as Afghan artist and not as a Tajik artist from Afghanistan? Why you call Ghaznavids as Afghans or Safarids of Iran? Why Farian of Samanagan as Afghan while all these people were Tajiks?... You see, because no matter which ethnicity these people have, their are national Afghans or lived in that region. Pathans are Pakistanis. The same system that works in Pakistan, works also in Afghanistan.

Your stupidity is getting stranger and stranger.
ANA is Afghan national army because it is the army of Afghanistan. Those people are referred to as Afghan Nationals but not as Afghans as ethnicity. those people associate with Afghanistan not Tajikistan. Muslims associate with Hindustan and not Muslim Pakistan because they are Hindustan Nationals and not Paksitan Nationals. Like Admin already said The Indic people call us Patans and not just the Pashtun/Afghans of Pakistan but also Pashtuns/Afghans of Afghanistan. WE are all Patan to them, there are many theories on why this is so but Indic Scholars have always referred to us as Afghans. My previous posts proves this you ignorant Fascist.

[ComradePashtun]

Khalqis represented the Pakistanis while Parchams were native of Kabul. They were used like tools. Why only Parcham survived while Khalqis died? Even their own russian brothers killed many of them and called them traitors.

Back to topic. Before dreaming about a non-existent state within Afghanistan and Pakistan you people first need to overthrow the Panjabis who now threat all Pashtuns if they follow their claims on an utopic country called Pashtunistan

YouTube - ‪If Pashtunistan is made Pak Punjabis will Nuclear Bomb India, Afghanistan, Pashtuns & Russia‬‏

He repeats the same what I wrote earlier on that topic some pages ago. Just look for my comments.

Kadozadah bachem,

You are more of an aas than I though you were!

I don't know what bone of contention you have with Khalqis, may it is beause they were Pashtuns who made the woose Parchamis who you claim to be native of Kabul. Claim them what ever you want be it native of where ever, you got to have to have Pashtuns at the top! Who were the bosses of Parcham?

I guess your bone of contention with Khalqis is because they were hash hash rigid think mustached Pashtuns who would make the likes of sing like kanaray, which they have and it is on record. The only reason they some of them were indeed killed by Russians with conspirators as the like of you were that they were staunch nationalists and fully independant in how they managed their affairs without some Ruski having to dictate them. That was precicely the case, and no wonder they were increasingly frustrated and all of their designs were constricted by Amin and subsequently they had to install your fellow puppet Babrak for he he owned his soul to Russians and invited them as the NA have done recently. It is a general science with the weak; they rely on outsiders. Any way, I am not to keen on Khalqis or Parchamis and their pollitics, I despise both of them for their policies which led the road to perpatual destruciton of Afghanistan. As for you other assetion that they were all liquidated and Parchamis remained, there is no doubt, because they were against Russian invasion while the Parchamis were the subservient collaborators. Beside the point, there are many of them in Afghanistan, Tanai, Faqir (ex interior minister), Gulabzoy etc. are all in Afghansitan well and alife. In reality as far as they were concerne they took power and even thoguht of Parchamis as sissies and either purged tham, send them in to exile and those left behind they made the sing like kanary.


As for Pashtunistan and overthrowing Panjabis, I as an Afghan Pashtun absolutely do not feel that I have to make up for a defeciency, since there is non. I have my gran-Afghanistan which is an emblem of all the prides any other proud individual in other nations have. Nothing mean more or less Afghanistan to me. I am more than satisfied. I do not live under no Panjabi rule, and those who do its to them what they want be it Pashtunistan or what ever. I do not understand your logic of posing that nonsense to me? I have made my case clear more than once what stand I have on Durand etc.

So stop your nonsense and lets build up Afghanistan so it rises as the giant again, for the proudest of men that live in that land.

[khushal]

Than why Ibn Sina or Maulana or Sanai, Jami, Ansari etc are called as ''Afghans'' while beeing ''non-Afghans'' (non-Pashtuns)? You can´t change the facts. That´s reality in today´s world and you can do nothing to change it. Just live with it and accept it. You like it or not. By not accepting Hazaras, Tajiks, Uzbeks etc not as Afghans you give them the right to form with large parts of Afghanistan their own nations or unite with the neighbouring countries. Have you seen what kind of maps Hazaras, Tajiks and Nuristani´s have created on facebook? If those are not Afgahns Afghanistan get devided and every part will go to it´s regional inhabitants. Do you want that?

First you have no proof that he was considered an Afghan, but his father was an ismaili from Balkh which is now present day Afghanistan and his mother was from Bukhara which is now present day Uzbekistan.

Anyone can make bogus claims. I claim he was Russian, if you would like proof, go read some books. There out there some where. Its not my fault you are uneducated.

Your a confused farsiban who belongs in a mental institution the Tajik, Hazara, Uzbeks, Nuristani's are Afghanistan Nationals but not ethnic Afghan, much like the Muslims in Hindustan are Hindustan Nationals but not Hindu you demented fool.

[ComradePashtun]

Stop fooling yourself and your own brothers and sisters. You just claim this emotional or you really believe in the crap youself claim. If Pashtuns are majority why the population do not speak in Pashtu like in Kandahar, Khost, Paktia, Zabul ...? Tomorrow I move to Panjab or to Dubai. Why should the native and dominant population accept my language and give their own up? I need to integrate myself into their society, not because I love their culture or society but because they are dominant.

http://uwf.edu/atcdev/Afghanistan/Geography/Cities2.swf
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This are two more references. You need to prove your claim Pashtuns beeing dominate in Herat. Their numbers are between 7% and 11% or 12% and no more. If you would ever had visited Herat than you would know that even the Pashtuns there are anti-Pashtuns and many of them claim beeing Tajiks. You just make fake propagandas here. Prove your claim by sources.

''The population of Herat numbers approximately 397,500.[19] The exact figures on ethnic groups is unavailable but most sources state that Persian-speaking Tajiks are the main inhabitants of the city, and are roughly the same as the Persians of eastern Iran.[20][21] According to a 2003 National Geographic suggested estimate, Tajiks form about 85% of the city population.Pashto-speaking Pashtuns come second at 10%, followed by Shia Hazaras at 2%, Uzbeks at 2%, and Turkmens at 1%.[22]''

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ng...download.2.pdf

''The population of the province is estimated at 1,762,157 people. Persian-speaking Tajik form the majority.[3] 98% of the population speak Dari Persian[4] others speaks Pashto, Turkmen or Uzbek.''

http://www.mrrd.gov.af/nabdp/provinc...%20profile.pdf

First thing first Kadozadah: write a little clear and coherently so one can understand where your nonsesne is coming from.

I am not making no one to believe anything unlike you who is blowing his horn over something that is false, non-existant and by all means fake. As it goes, once you lie you have to lie a thousand times to cover that one lie. Since your "Tajik" myth has been shattered I will present you another challenge and be a man: give me one single examble and present it here before the members where a Pashtun is claiming to be Tajik, while I will slap you Muli like like a little biatch with numerous examples of the oppsite. Now don't come back untill you meet this challenge.

I have never claimed Herat city itself being Pashtuns, but the overall province. You reference to me wikipedia about the demographics when it is claiming that they do not have exact figures. Wiki gets manipulated and Tajikan crew have pledged your all unworth time and efforts to edit it with your BS. What a low lives. Why don't you ask your daddy or some elder in your family about the districts and demograpics than instead arguing with me, I unlike to do not feel to lie and make things up, half of the districts such as Pashtun Zarghoo, Shindand, Kushk, Guzaran and the numerous more are overwhlmingly Pashutuns. But any way, if you keep insisting then so be it and good for you. And yes my friend, they do speak Pashtu in most districts where they live, however, there are alwasy exceptions. Like the Noorzais of Shindand in the east speak harsh Pashtu, their cousin in the West of Shindand (Noorzai) have adapted Farsi.

Now come back with the challenge I presented you Pahlawan Kadozadah.

[khushal]

Hi brothers, Kabulzada is a nice guy and has his own views. Kindly, don't target one or other ethinc group while arguing with him. I also have disagreement with him because what he thinks would not lead to a stable regional order (which is in interests of all) but still discussion with him should be based on detached reasoning.

You need to get your head examined. This guy is a Tajik Fascist that believes Afghans/Pashtuns should be wiped off from the face of the planet.

[ComradePashtun]

The guy no doubt lives in some weird illusions but by no means I find him to be a fascist who wants Pashtuns wipped off. That is going abit extreme, while also the general attitude is a little intollerant towards him. He is our fellow Afghan brother, he needs to be engaged friendly and educated if need to be.


This who is Afghan and who is not is nonsense coming from Pashtuns. I respect and side with Kabulzada on this issue. Afghan leagally nationality wise means: Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara, Noorsitani, Aimaq and those who live within the boundary of Afghansitan, and last but not least the Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

[khushal]

The guy no doubt lives in some weird illusions but by no means I find him to be a fascist who wants Pashtuns wipped off. That is going abit extreme, while also the general attitude is a little intollerant towards him. He is our fellow Afghan brother, he needs to be engaged friendly and educated if need to be.

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This guy is parsistani, we know of his mentality. No one here said anything negative of Tajiks or any other ethnicity and this guy comes and puts down pashtuns for no reason. There are many Tajiks on this forum who do not talk like he does, they are respected because they give respect. This guy does not fall in that catagory.

[khushal]

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This who is Afghan and who is not is nonsense coming from Pashtuns. I respect and side with Kabulzada on this issue. Afghan leagally nationality wise means: Tajik, Uzbak, Hazara, Noorsitani, Aimaq and those who live within the boundary of Afghansitan, and last but not least the Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

What non sense are you talking about. Only pashtuns are Afghan. The rest are Afghanistan Nationals. There are panjabi Sikhs, hindus, that have settled in Afghanistan, they are not Afghan but they are Afghanistan Nationals. You are confusing the issue. It is an insult to them and an insult to us by calling them Afghan. They have their own ethnicity and they should be respected and should be proud of their ethnicity.

It's like calling a german person french just because that german person hold's a french citizenship. It would be correct to call him a french citizen but not french. There are Arab citizens of Israel, they are Israeli citizens but they are not ethnic Israeli, that would be a wrong label.

[ComradePashtun]

Ok, Khushala, I don't know him to well, and if he is ingenuine and insolent then he needs to be put in his place. But what I have read in this thread is that some Pashtuns with hostile tone is denying him his right to be Afghan, how the hell is that so? While in the same breath what ever he says, he starts with "brother" or "sister". I think, regardless of what his motives are, we need to be gracious and kind if needed to educate him instead. It can also be educating for us to listen and obsorb his point of view, and be able to refute what is inaccurate and false either by his assumption or pretence.

[ComradePashtun]

What you say Khushala is unconstitutional and illegal in Afghanistan and a crime. The noun "Afghan" indeed does no more explicitly mean Pashtun as it was in antiquity. They are no longer synonmous.

[khushal]

Ok, Khushala, I don't know him to well, and if he is ingenuine and insolent then he needs to be put in his place. But what I have read in this thread is that some Pashtuns with hostile tone is denying him his right to be Afghan, how the hell is that so? While in the same breath what ever he says, he starts with "brother" or "sister". I think, regardless of what his motives are, we need to be gracious and kind if needed to educate him instead. It can also be educating for us to listen and obsorb his point of view, and be able to refute what is inaccurate and false either by his assumption or pretence.

He learned from the last time when he was banned. So he is now using "brother" and "sister" but his message is filled with hate for the AFghan/Pashtun. He is an Afghan National but there is no way you can label him as ethnic Afghan. Most of you dont realize that this is insulting to us and to them at the same time. They have their own ethnicity and they should be proud of it, we have our own and we should not let anyone use the Afghan as something that is ethnically neutral, it is not ethnically neutral, it only refers to us. Go look what it says under ethnicity on a Pakistani Pashtun passport, it says Afghan. The "A" in PAKISTAN means Afghan. Come on who ever comes on here and says that HAZARAS and TAJIKS are ethnic Afghan are completely unaware of reality. this is Historically incorrect.

[ComradePashtun]

What non sense are you talking about. Only pashtuns are Afghan. The rest are Afghanistan Nationals. There are panjabi Sikhs, hindus, that have settled in Afghanistan, they are not Afghan but they are Afghanistan Nationals. You are confusing the issue. It is an insult to them and an insult to us by calling them Afghan. They have their own ethnicity and they should be respected and should be proud of their ethnicity.

It's like calling a german person french just because that german person hold's a french citizenship. It would be correct to call him a french citizen but not french. There are Arab citizens of Israel, they are Israeli citizens but they are not ethnic Israeli, that would be a wrong label.

You may well be on your way to the biggoted camps the likes of white supermacists in your USA or the like of BNP in Britain. Very disappointing.

With all due respect now Khushal, tell me who the hell are you to say they are not "Afghan" but Afghanistan nationals, when it is the country's constitution that explicitly says "those who live in Afghanistan are Afghans"?

Arab and Israel is a differnt issue, and we certainly are no Israel. You may want to relax the thinking mode there, dear. We are all Afghans and majority of us are brothers, with the exception of the net biggots.

[khushal]

You may well be on your way to the biggoted camps the likes of white supermacists in your USA or the like of BNP in Britain. Very disappointing.

With all due respect now Khushal, tell me who the hell are you to say they are not "Afghan" but Afghanistan nationals, when it is the country's constitution that explicitly says "those who live in Afghanistan are Afghans"?

Arab and Israel is a differnt issue, and we certainly are no Israel. You may want to relax the thinking mode there, dear. We are all Afghans and majority of us are brothers, with the exception of the net biggots.

It is you who is a bigot. You are insulting the Tajiks and the Hazaras by denying them their own heritage, their own culture, you are trying to integrate them into the Afghan/Pashtun culture. This is wrong, they have a beautiful culture and heritage and they have the right to keep that as their own.

Yes it says "those who live in Afghanistan are Afghans" It says that in the Israeli constitution as well and it says that in the german constitution as well, but are the arabs ethnic Israeli or the Turks in Germany ethnic Germans.
The Americans live in Afghanistan as well, should we also call them Afghans.

[ComradePashtun]

He learned from the last time when he was banned. So he is now using "brother" and "sister" but his message is filled with hate for the AFghan/Pashtun. He is an Afghan National but there is no way you can label him as ethnic Afghan. Most of you dont realize that this is insulting to us and to them at the same time. They have their own ethnicity and they should be proud of it, we have our own and we should not let anyone use the Afghan as something that is ethnically neutral, it is not ethnically neutral, it only refers to us. Go look what it says under ethnicity on a Pakistani Pashtun passport, it says Afghan. The "A" in PAKISTAN means Afghan. Come on who ever comes on here and says that HAZARAS and TAJIKS are ethnic Afghan are completely unaware of reality. this is Historically incorrect.

Well again, I do not know him and who he is, and to the best I can think of being reasonable is to take the approach I think is right which I have suggested.

It is no insult to me if he says he is Afghan, that is what he is. That is his nationality, he can be all proud of his ethnicity and so can be a Pashtun. If he thinks Afghanistan and Afghan is an insult he has all the right and renounce it either by chaning it or he sit on his donkey and head to Tajikstan.

Majority, 95% of Pakistani Pashtuns say they are Pakistani and Pashtuns, not an Afghan - that is exagerating it. Show me where it say in their passport that they are Afghan.

[khushal]

What you say Khushala is unconstitutional and illegal in Afghanistan and a crime. The noun "Afghan" indeed does no more explicitly mean Pashtun as it was in antiquity. They are no longer synonmous.

There are bigger crimes happening in Afghanistan, this is the least of your problems. It should be a crime to deny the Tajiks and Hazaras their due respect to their culture. Your Nationalist ideology is self destructive. When you try to integrate other people into your own culture and denying them theirs, you are only destroying yourself.