Karzai cries

[BarakzaiAbdali]

For that matter, take a look at how his corrupt as crap brother looted the Kabul bank and then cried foul when caught red handed:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...stanbanks.html

or the propping up of his mob boss half brother, the de facto sardar of Kandahar.

or the freeing of a phenomenally corrupt official that just happens to be confirmed on the CIA payroll:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/wo...a/26kabul.html

[ghundal]

He can demand withdrawal now with the support of the nation because that is what all Afghans want

[Toramana]

He is liar , corrupt and a great actor. Quite pathetic really. Yay budha bachay jaisay rorah hay.

You can take your Ranjit Singhi nonsense with you...

[ComradePashtun]

Karzai is the man!

He maintains a very high rate of approval indeed.

However, despite the extremely difficult job he has, majority of the people are of the view that he is a patriotic and good person.

[Toramana]

Yes Karzai is better leader if not the best in the present lot...He is doing every thing to manage the extremely difficult Afghan dynamics and maintain unity.

[ghundal]

Ah Mr. Karzai,

In the future, Afghans are going to recount his reign as the second coming of the failed, inept, and fallen Shah Shujaa Sadozai. Both were fabulously corrupt and both are sustained in power on the back of a foreign empire. Both accomplished absolutely nothing.

History no doubt recounts that Mr. Karzai fled Afghanistan, like a great many of the soft handed, effeminate, oligarchs and left the rural masses to fight the onslaught of the russian juggernaut. Look to the names Maliki, Allawi, and Chalabi as Iraqi compatriots that did the exact same thing to their people... where they swindled their way into leadership. While the Iraqis suffered under crushing sanctions, these men wined and dined with the likes of Mr. Kristol.

Contrast this touted "founding father" of Afghanistan with the behavior of men like Washington, Patrick Henry, and the American founding fathers. Whatever one may think of the Americans, their leaders stayed and did not take the offer of the backdoor out by France.

In general, people respect those that want to lead when they are willing to demonstrate leadership and the will to sacrifice. Ironically, the Arab Mr. Bin Ladin actually did suffer battle wounds against the USSR's Red Army while Mr. Karzai wore his leisure suit and was the gopher paper boy to the factions discussing how they would best divide up Afghanistan once the masses had won the war. Here is a picture of him in his liesure suit days:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...0&tx=62&ty=120

Take a look at how the rural people remember and follow strength and leadership that was demonstrated by someone who avoided the mudbathes of Italy (to where Zahir Shah fled) or the tea houses of Quetta (where Abdul Ahad Karzai munched on sugar almonds and drank honeyed green tea while complaining about the power seized from his ruling class):

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/a...315358960.html

Lets take a look at the evidence:

1) He bought back with him, the filth that terrorized the populace, in the form of Gul Agha Sherzai, the controversial former corrupt police chief of Kandahar, and a whole host of others. These folks, like Mr Karzai sat back and did not of the hard fighting and believed that all the spoils of the Russian war was their right.

2) His government is rivaled only by that of Mr. Zardari with whome he attempts to be competing for the most corrupt Asian leader award. He, like Mr. Zardari appears to be an advocate of nepotism over meritocracy, placing his brethren in the highest positions for which they are grossly unqualified:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/wo.../06karzai.html

Here is the near complete list of crony family members Mr. Karzai has made sure to position within his corrupt government:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2....html?ref=asia

His inability to match words with deeds is baffling because the ratio is so far below 1:1 that it is a fraction with many zeroes between the decimal point and 1. Take for example this idiocy he demonstrated where he forgot that a puppet ought not make promises it cannot keep when he told the elders of Kandahar that there would be no Kandahar Offensive:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8603023.stm

Note how they clearly tell him that no offensive is welcomed.... yet within weeks the offensive started full force.

Ah and the greatest irony is his supposed concern over civilian casualties and Quran burning. He knows that the same US military that has exacted these tolls is the same hand that props up his fledgling plutocracy and oligarchy in Kabul and that without it he is gone and done. So he makes sure to never actually live up to his promise to finish night raids.

Its rather sad when one attempts to compare his regime, funded by the whole world, and milking the whole world of its blood and treasure, with the Taliban. It is even more interesting that despite the nonfunctional infrastucture that his regime has provided...the Afghan people in the southern basin of Afghanistan still fight against what he attempts to impose:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010302175.html

Note how the infrastucture immediatly degrades because the US picked a team of folks who were lazy oligarchs that had failed in the west and sought to reclaim their stature that they forfeit when they left their people to fight a war instead of leading them in such a struggle. They saved their skins but lost their soul and the shame hangs on their head like an albatross.

this is exactly the most accurate explanation of him. A man should never compromise his nations pride. Never in life, can one forget about principles. It only takes him to make a break completely from the US on the global stage, but he has not done that, going against the peoples wishes.

[faye]

it seems to me he is in between a rock and a hard place, with the americans on one side and other politicians, who may want his position and have their own armies. me no expert just what i have concluded from reading. i mean the us military assassinated his uncle after he refused their apology for the assassination of those 9 children.

[randolph85]

karzai isnt really a bad guy, hes just a clown that has no business being president of afghanistan. nothing more, nothing less.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Lets examine Mr. Karzai's corrupt history and inept moves some more:
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2010...-kandahar.html

"Eighteen years ago, as manager of a family-run Afghan restaurant on North Halsted Street in the Chicago's Wrigleyville district, Ahmed Wali Karzai spent his days serving aushak (leek dumplings) and lamb dwopiaza, tenderloin sauteed with yellow split-peas and onions..."

This single move of his... appointing his brother, who failed at all he did in the West, but now lounges around as the Khan/Sardaar of Kandahar ought to be symbolic of how much Mr. Karzai is emulating both the rule of Shuja Shah and the Muhammadzai Kings. History itself showed the horrible outcomes of those eras.

During the Muhammadzai era pre Zahir Shah there were the Dil brothers (Purdil, Sherdil, etc) who were implanted to rule Qandahar by fiat and then the phenomenally corrupt (even by today's standards) sardaars of Peshawar (Azam, Sultan Muhammad, etc). History repeats itself with the implantation of the Karzai Clown Brothers at all levels of government, from Ahmad Wali in Qandhar, to Mehmoud in Kabul Bank, to nephew Yama as the idiotic head of southern Afghan intelligence. Yama performed extremely poorly at Georgetown and basically lived off the largesse of others in Quetta before the family Karzai assumed power.

We know how backwards and incapable Ahmad Wali is... he at least was able to complete his waiter job for a reasonable period of time. Hamid on the other hand loved his soft hands far too much and fled straight back to the tea houses of Quetta to much on sugarad almonds and drink green tea, biding his time till he could, like a tick, parasitically latch onto the back of an empire.

Then when we examine this man's history in greater detail we realize just much hot water he had gotten himself into, and just how opportunistic he truly was:

"Karzai has been a Central Intelligence Agency covert operator since the 1980s. He collaborated with the CIA in funneling U.S. aid to the Taliban as of 1994 when the Americans had secretly and through the Pakistanis [specifically the ISI] supported the Taliban's assumption of power." (quoted in Karen Talbot, U.S. Energy Giant Unocal Appoints Interim Government in Kabul, Global Outlook, No. 1, Spring 2002. p. 70. See also BBC Monitoring Service, 15 December 2001)...

And of course there is this little gem from Reuters:

"(Reuters) - The CIA is making payments to a significant number of officials in Afghan President Hamid Karzai's administration, The Washington Post reported on Friday."
http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/0...51103020100827

And finally, it is rather interesting that Karzai Bibi refers to himself as a democratically elected, meritorious leader... yet his rule is likely to last until the powers that be allow for some one to contend with him. Exactly how many terms does he plan to run? Are there term limits?

And finally, he had to admit that polling supporting him was marred with fraud, massive fraud per the Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lection-fraud/

And of course, he begged, like a dog, for more protection after he realized that the insurgency was escalating:

"In a bid to refurbish his image, Mr. Karzai appeared Tuesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” endorsing calls for more U.S. troops and accusing his critics of exaggerating the extent of election fraud"

He realized that without his Dynacorps gaurds and the US Army spilling its blood and treasure, his realm in Kabul itself was under threat of folding.

[ghundal]

He endorsed the calls or was he forced to ask for more troops? Im just confused about him. Did he actually think for a second that the US could defeat the Afghans? This is impossible. Russians today laugh at this.

[randolph85]

ghundal, u thank a post that says this

"Karzai has been a Central Intelligence Agency covert operator since the 1980s. He collaborated with the CIA in funneling U.S. aid to the Taliban as of 1994 when the Americans had secretly and through the Pakistanis [specifically the ISI] supported the Taliban's assumption of power." (quoted in Karen Talbot, U.S. Energy Giant Unocal Appoints Interim Government in Kabul, Global Outlook, No. 1, Spring 2002. p. 70. See also BBC Monitoring Service, 15 December 2001)...

then deny any association of the sort?

[ghundal]

ghundal, u thank a post that says this

"Karzai has been a Central Intelligence Agency covert operator since the 1980s. He collaborated with the CIA in funneling U.S. aid to the Taliban as of 1994 when the Americans had secretly and through the Pakistanis [specifically the ISI] supported the Taliban's assumption of power." (quoted in Karen Talbot, U.S. Energy Giant Unocal Appoints Interim Government in Kabul, Global Outlook, No. 1, Spring 2002. p. 70. See also BBC Monitoring Service, 15 December 2001)...

then deny any association of the sort?

Everyone knows that. I have never denied anything. Today, they (Taliban) are an independent national government just like any other government, they have interests, and do things that fit their interestsRead "The Prince" by Machiavelli. I know Karzai has a questionable background, but I think his international connections (primarily with Russia and China) can serve Afghanistan well into the future. What I mean is that Omar Hotak can use him to send him around the world to cement relations with important countries. His lackey habits can be of use to Afghanistan because Omar Hotak himself will never go and ask for contracts on other peoples terms.


Once he is no longer needed, then one can decide about whether to exile him or not. He is valuable in some way to Afghanistan.

This I can not deny as much as I despise his dealings with the US. I think he was merely meant as a puppet. Puppets are not really responsible for anything because they have no choice to begin with. They are not pulling the strings. He is a tragic case, but still valuable if you understand what I am trying to say

[ComradePashtun]

hahaha ^^^ funny as hell..

[ghundal]

what do you find funny? My analysis? Omar Hotak holds more regard than Karzai.

[ComradePashtun]

you are right.. your analysis and description was funny.