Mixed Discussion: Jinnah, Drinking and Creation of Pakistan

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Even if he was the last hope?

BTW, you have changed my question. I was talking about an Atheist, not Jinnah. Could you kindly answer my initial question in light of the Atheist, not Jinnah.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Even if he was the last hope?

BTW, you have changed my question. I was talking about an Atheist, not Jinnah. Could you kindly answer my initial question in light of the Atheist, not Jinnah.

Yes even if he was the last hope.

but why ask me such a question? do you consider a Ismaili Shia as a Muslim?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dear StrategistMaseed, wrora, do you ask every doctor you visit whether he or she is an Atheist or not?

Yes, I do consider Ismaili Shias as Muslim. Why? Because they claim that they are Muslim. That is enough for me. I would consider anyone who claims to be Christian a Christian. Why? Because them claiming to be Christian is enough for me.

Whether or not they are following the real teachings of Islam, or for that matter, Christianity, is a different issue.

I will not reserve the right to strip them from calling themselves a Muslim or a Christian.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Dear StrategistMaseed, wrora, do you ask every doctor you visit whether he or she is an Atheist or not?

Yes, I do consider Ismaili Shias as Muslim. Why? Because they claim that they are Muslim.

thats says alot so i dont even want to give an answer.

You state, a Ismaili who doesnt even beleive in Prophet (pbuh) and beleives that there will be another prophet, this shows your knowledge of Islam. You consider people who pray to a man called aga khan. Dont insult Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAz8Bza2ax0

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

My friend, you are all over the place.

So those who you consider to be Muslim, have they done nothing but good in their moral life as well as for the Muslim ummah?

[Khushal Khan Khattak]

My friend, you are all over the place.

So those who you consider to be Muslim, have they done nothing but good in their moral life as well as for the Muslim ummah?

Let it go my brother, no matter what you say he has already made up his mind. Just feel sad for him, feel pity for him and pray for him so God will show him his straight path before the end. Amen!

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Let it go my brother, no matter what you say he has already made up his mind. Just feel sad for him, feel pity for him and pray for him so God will show him his straight path before the end. Amen!

dont feel sad for me, i feel sad for you.

That you also consider a Kaffir such as Jinnah as a Muslim? you also consider ismaili Shias as Muslims even though they oppose Prophet Mohammand(pbuh) and consider a man called aga khan as a prophet.

the only place you have been and seen reality is out of your khattak army colony in NWFP. I suggest you vist the tribal areas mr Non Tribal Pukhtun. dont make fun of Islam by accepting Sects and Kaffirs into it.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dear StrategistMaseed,

you cannot attack someone's intellect by simply calling someone a kafir and because of his beliefs and his actions. If Ismailis call themselves Muslim who are you to stop them? They have not done a billionth of what destruction the Wahabis have caused Muslims in the name of Islam.

Leave this name game--it has logical fallacy written all over it. We are discussing Jinnah in the realm of politics. Stick to this.

Did he or did he not do the right thing for the Muslims of India? Stick to this topic.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Dear StrategistMaseed,

you cannot attack someone's intellect by simply calling someone a kafir and because of his beliefs and his actions. If Ismailis call themselves Muslim who are you to stop them? They have not done a billionth of what destruction the Wahabis have caused Muslims in the name of Islam.

Leave this name game--it has logical fallacy written all over it. We are discussing Jinnah in the realm of politics. Stick to this.

Did he or did he not do the right thing for the Muslims of India? Stick to this topic.

Where is the Islamic law? why did he impliment FCR onto Pashtuns and beg British to support him?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

So are you saying that the state of Pakistan should have never been created? The Muslims should have suffered under a Hindu system, instead? Would that have been better?

Further, where in the world do you see a proper Islamic state?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

So are you saying that the state of Pakistan should have never been created? The Muslims should have suffered under a Hindu system, instead? Would that have been better?

Further, where in the world do you see a proper Islamic state?

Dont teach me your usual Pakistani studies propaghanda

If it wasnt for world war 2, your Pakistanis and Indian brothers and sisters would still be licking British boots.

Let me tell you something, did the bengalis have to be massacred by the so called Murtad Pakistan? should over 2 million bengalis have to die just because they didnt accept Pakistani ideology and claims of being defender of Hindus?

For a person, who supports Ismailis and other Kaffirs, it really makes me wonder what your true identity is.

did bengali muslims deserve this????

[MazloomyarMaseed]

When I make a comment, I speak in relation to Pashtun interests, Firstly India would never want to imperialise Pashtun lands as they know very well, its impossible to rule over them, also India did land reforms, unlike the so called Islamic state of Pakistan, where acres of Land is taken away from poor people and given to the elite and retired amry personel.

I would rather see Pashtuns united as one people, under one flag and in one state, I dont have no relation to these Hindu problems that your pakistani studies teachers teach you.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

So, I take that the creation of Pakistan was a horrible idea.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

So, I take that the creation of Pakistan was a horrible idea.

The idea of Pashtuns being divided over the creation was the bad idea, I personally couldnt give a damme if Pakistan was created to accomodate Indian Punjabs and Muslim Indians from india.

but due to this Pakistan, Pashtuns are divided and turn on eachother

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

And you are not blaming Afghanistan over this? And you are not blaming your own tribal elders over this?