US has won the Afghan war?

[ghundal]

How is 90s happening right now? For that to happen, NATO would have to entirely withdraw and the power vacuum would have to ensue. For once try to listen instead of jumping the gun.

what do you call killings of Afghans in airstrikes and night raids, Kill teams of the US-NATO forces, torture, rape, the use of depleted uranium in bombsm kidnappings, illegal detentions, and rampant fraud ?

You somehow are saying that the chaos of the 90s is worse than the above, or am I mistaken? This would be absurd to think this.

Be direct, what outcome are you suggesting considering Afghans continue to suffer with US-NATO presence?

BTW, Afghans are no longer tolerating their presence.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

what do you call killings of Afghans in airstrikes and night raids, Kill teams of the US-NATO forces, torture, rape, the use of depleted uranium in bombsm kidnappings, illegal detentions, and rampant fraud ?

You somehow are saying that the chaos of the 90s is worse than the above, or am I mistaken? This would be absurd to think this.

Be direct, what outcome are you suggesting considering Afghans continue to suffer with US-NATO presence?

No it isn't the same. One was the scenario post-withdrawal, the other was during occupation. You can't conceivably use articles that compare Soviet occupation to NATO, and then compound it with mixing two keep time frames. Either you are arbitrarily posting things, or you are fidget information to fit an argument.

[ghundal]

No it isn't the same. One was the scenario post-withdrawal, the other was during occupation. You can't conceivably use articles that compare Soviet occupation to NATO, and then compound it with mixing two keep time frames. Either you are arbitrarily posting things, or you are fidget information to fit an argument.

Occupation crimes and post-wthdrawal crimes can all be lumped into one mess. No need to separate crimes for what they are. There is no such thing as a lesser crime. Oppression is oppression. A dead child is a dead child.

Now the Taliban were a response to all this disorder and chaos, and continue to be a response to it.

The foreigners are the source of instability, and a barrier, not an enabler of peace and security. This fact is not even up for discussion.

No need to assume things just because I list some names for you. Its all over the news, even the biased Western news reports about the Afghan suffering at the hands of US-NATO (when they say children were mistakenly killed). Im not making an argument to you, I am telling you the truth, and I am not boasting of knowing the truth. This war is being waged against the Afghan people. Airstrikes, night raids, torture, kidnappings, illegal imprisonment, and the list goes on....

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Occupation crimes and post-wthdrawal crimes can all be lumped into one mess. No need to separate crimes for what they are. There is no such thing as a lesser crime. Oppression is oppression. A dead child is a dead child.

Now the Taliban were a response to all this disorder and chaos, and continue to be a response to it.

The foreigners are the source of instability, and a barrier, not an enabler of peace and security. This fact is not even up for discussion.

No need to assume things just because I list some names for you. Its all over the news, even the biased Western news reports about the Afghan suffering at the hands of US-NATO (when they say children were mistakenly killed). Im not making an argument to you, I am telling you the truth, and I am not boasting of knowing the truth. This war is being waged against the Afghan people. Airstrikes, night raids, torture, kidnappings, illegal imprisonment, and the list goes on....

No you can't because the political actors change and so do the scenarios. BTW don't bring in other terms. No one in their right mind is going to say oppression is good, or illegal occupation is a great thing. However that does not support or have anything to do with your point. You can't seriously mix the two together as if they are one. One may have been led by the other, but they are not the same thing.