WHy is Pakistan supporting war against Afghans?

[ghundal]

I want Comrade Pashtun, BLS, Toramana to answer this before Barakzai or Khushal break your arguments to pieces.

Thanks in advance.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5inbMdJecDAnrmmc3dXzeyVybkMmw?docId=CNG.365d2694c2ede18187190b6d29de9f3e.181

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/24/us-pakistan-nato-idUSTRE73N0MR20110424

Why is Pakistan allowing supply routes to US forces in Afghanistan? Isn't Imran Khan taking good action to 1) halt drone attacks against his people, and 2) block the US-nato supply route.

He is concerned for the welfare of our people.

I expect proper answers without the usual snide remarks that are signs of failed and weak points <<<

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Funny I don't remember Barakzai ever breaking my arguments to pieces or Khushal? Is this some lingering fantasy for others to do what you have never been able to? Interesting.

I already told you about my issues with his policy regarding drones...it is in the very same two threads that you ran away and didn't reply to. If people want to know, they can go into there and check them out.

You also have to understand states are not one monolithic being and similarly don't have one set of interests. They have and do things that are seen as counter-intuitive, but end up serving what they perceive as their greater interests. Why does the Army publicly decry the drones but then behind back doors get paid billions for letting the drones fly from their own bases? Things are never that simple. Iran and US were not friends, but when the invasion of Afghanistan happened, they saw that as in their interests as Taliban were anti-Iran. Now why would Iran then help a country they were supposedly not on good terms? This is a similar (not the same) example. Pakistan has their own strategic interests in Afghanistan which they want to be recognized. The fact that supply lines run through Pakistan is something they are well-paid for, and gives them a certain amount of leverage. Bear in mind, that US also pulls a lot of strings in that country.

Also remember Pakistan didn't have much of a choice, US had made their intentions very clear and Musharraf knew where the cards were at the time. I believe Musharraf talked about it in his book regarding the threats of Armitage. Bottomline, if Pakistan can garner some strategic influence against India within Afghanistan, they are willing to capitulate to a lot more (and historically have). The occasional nato supply lines being blocked is Pakistan holding on to whatever little leverage they can muster against NATO. This generally happens when Pakistan feels left out and snubbed.

I have already talked about my issues regarding PTI, you can check your own thread you started (and btw which you didn't reply to).

[ComradePashtun]

boring

[BLS_1919v2.0]

boring

lol agha bal threads na wothakhtae du...pa ddaz kae chup sho. Khair dae daltha ba lag dwa drae khabarae wokoo lol.

[ghundal]

Funny I don't remember Barakzai ever breaking my arguments to pieces or Khushal? Is this some lingering fantasy for others to do what you have never been able to? Interesting.

I already told you about my issues with his policy regarding drones...it is in the very same two threads that you ran away and didn't reply to. If people want to know, they can go into there and check them out.

You also have to understand states are not one monolithic being and similarly don't have one set of interests. They have and do things that are seen as counter-intuitive, but end up serving what they perceive as their greater interests. Why does the Army publicly decry the drones but then behind back doors get paid billions for letting the drones fly from their own bases? Things are never that simple. Iran and US were not friends, but when the invasion of Afghanistan happened, they saw that as in their interests as Taliban were anti-Iran. Now why would Iran then help a country they were supposedly not on good terms? This is a similar (not the same) example. Pakistan has their own strategic interests in Afghanistan which they want to be recognized. The fact that supply lines run through Pakistan is something they are well-paid for, and gives them a certain amount of leverage. Bear in mind, that US also pulls a lot of strings in that country.

Also remember Pakistan didn't have much of a choice, US had made their intentions very clear and Musharraf knew where the cards were at the time. I believe Musharraf talked about it in his book regarding the threats of Armitage. Bottomline, if Pakistan can garner some strategic influence against India within Afghanistan, they are willing to capitulate to a lot more (and historically have). The occasional nato supply lines being blocked is Pakistan holding on to whatever little leverage they can muster against NATO. This generally happens when Pakistan feels left out and snubbed.

I have already talked about my issues regarding PTI, you can check your own thread you started (and btw which you didn't reply to).

I don't recall ever avoiding a verbal exchange with you. Put this aside (cheerleading and my silly arguments)

So Pakistan supports US-nato. Agreed? I know Pakistan has always served US interests. I was wondering if you and Comrade was aware of that.

Considering this old news of US-nato supply lines, then what do you think the Taliban thinks of this? Some here assume the Taliban are serving Pakistan's interests, and are their agents in Afghanistan. That all those fighters are dying for the state of Pakistan. Thoughts?

Comrade was trying to attribute the Afghan resistance to a small group of people in the tribal areas, a very absurd an idea, and effectively, implying that Afghans do not naturally resist foreigners. The fact remains that the Talibans rank and file are filled with mostly people who have lost family. It is a resistance movement.

In regards to PTI, many Pakistani Army officials are denying Imran Khan's claims about drone attacks, saying they hardly kill innocent civilians. Do you agree with them?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I don't recall ever avoiding a verbal exchange with you. Put this aside (cheerleading and my silly arguments)

So Pakistan supports US-nato. Agreed?

Considering this old news of US-nato supply lines, then what do you think the Taliban thinks of this? Some here assume the Taliban are serving Pakistan's interests, and are their agents in Afghanistan. Thoughts?

Comrade was trying to attribute the Afghan resistance to a small group of people in the tribal areas, a very absurd an idea, and effectively, implying that Afghans do not naturally resist foreigners. The fact remains that the Talibans rank and file are filled with mostly people who have lost family. It is a resistance movement.

I will let Comrade Khan speak for himself. It isn't about support or not supporting. They are tagging along maybe out of some political interest and coercion (in my opinion a lot of both). I don't know. I am not part of the leadership apparatus within Taliban to make a decision for them. I can only observe. In my opinion, not all taliban group are one and the same...although they all may show affinity to Mullah Umar. In that instance there are local interests, and national and trans-national issues to be considered here. Maybe some Talibs are aligned with Pakistan in some ranks, others may be look at them antagonistically. It is equally plausible that many be aware but have no other choice but to capitulate to certain short-term demands of Pakistan. Allah u aalim. All of these are equally plausible. What happens in the future is anyone's guess, and I don't think pakistan would like NATO to leave that quickly, nor would they like an entirely stable Afghanistan without their so-called strategic concerns taken into consideration.

[ghundal]

boring

what can I say. you are a person that only is drawn to yes-men, people who agree with you. As long as what they say is music to your ears, like BLS, your cool.

I don't think you want to accept reality.

Like Daud Khan is from the past, and so is your mindset.

[ComradePashtun]

lol agha bal threads na wothakhtae du...pa ddaz kae chup sho. Khair dae daltha ba lag dwa drae khabarae wokoo lol.

andiwala da ingorant imbecile zwab khamooshi dai. wallah ka ba ye yawa war dwa kee. da garda too begligaraan dee. be-aqla khalko sa geer yu...

[ComradePashtun]

what can I say. you are a person that only is drawn to yes-men, people who agree with you. As long as what they say is music to your ears, like BLS, your cool.

I don't think you want to accept reality.

Like Daud Khan is from the past, and so is your mindset.

[faye]

this might be old news for you here but i recently read this article...www. global research..'the getaway'. it is about pakistan flying their men plus al qaeda and taliban out from afghanistan after the americans had invaded afghanistan. it says the pakistan govt has taliban they want to instal, to government in afghanistan, after the war.

[ghundal]

I will let Comrade Khan speak for himself. It isn't about support or not supporting. They are tagging along maybe out of some political interest and coercion (in my opinion a lot of both). I don't know. I am not part of the leadership apparatus within Taliban to make a decision for them. I can only observe. In my opinion, not all taliban group are one and the same...although they all may show affinity to Mullah Umar. In that instance there are local interests, and national and trans-national issues to be considered here. Maybe some Talibs are aligned with Pakistan in some ranks, others may be look at them antagonistically. It is equally plausible that many be aware but have no other choice but to capitulate to certain short-term demands of Pakistan. Allah u aalim. All of these are equally plausible. What happens in the future is anyone's guess, and I don't think pakistan would like NATO to leave that quickly, nor would they like an entirely stable Afghanistan without their so-called strategic concerns taken into consideration.

ok, so you are saying the Taliban is multi-faced right now?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

andiwala da ingorant imbecile zwab khamooshi dai. wallah ka ba ye yawa war dwa kee. da garda too begligaraan dee. be-aqla khalko sa geer yu...

Nu zakaa 30-40 kaala la naasth yuu wahl khuruu. Dagha nan naasth wom malgaro saraa ao mung dagha khabarae kawall..che 40 kaala makhkae pashtano pa campoona ya gadaegaree zhwand na thaerawall...woss kuutssa pa kuttssa daasae khlk shta (mashomaan zyaath thar) che pa saktha zhwand thaerawee ao gadaegaree tha walarr dee. Asae zrra khug shee ka makhkae kharthob na woo nu daa wakhtoona na raathlall...dyuu mung agha kharthob tha raagaeraee.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

ok, so you are saying the Taliban is multi-faced right now?

Depends..what do you mean by multi-faced. They could be very diverse as well.

[ghundal]

Depends..what do you mean by multi-faced. They could be very diverse as well.

Were the Taliban since their 4-5 year rule in Afghanistan, Pakistan centric? Were/are they serving Pakistan's interest right now? Or do they have their own goals which are separate from Pakistan's?

[ComradePashtun]

BLSa,

Yara.. kho yaw zay dasi way che da jahelaan pa kshe na way! ta aw malgary de hum da kaar walaka wee!

Da moo tsa shee ta saathali.. hahaha