dr najeeb speech on shah nawaz tanai

[ScimitarXEdge]

Finally, you are getting the point. Who is not a criminal? And among all of the them he was well versed on how to bring peace in Afghanistan. It was the US fueling more bloodshed. The Mujahideen would do anything for power.

But yes, he was the best. He could have brought peace had it not been US meddling with their puppets. The US wanted an Afghanistan without him, and they got it. Proves that no one was skilled as him when it came to politics.

Without Najib and with the Taliban the whole idea of Pashtunistan died.

so you like najb for being a criminal?


Who cares about Pashtunistan? You know Islam opposes ethnocentrism right/ Why are you focusing on ethnic nationalism?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

If Pakis are so vulnerable, why don't they start operation against their stooges in North Waziristan? Why they discriminate against various factions?

Because they are stupid enough to be on the verge of fomenting civil war with their actions and continuing to destabilize their nation on a fools errand. Furthermore, let them hit NW... it wont matter a bit... at this point the insurgency will just spill into the main territories. The fascinating thing about it, is one again, to the KP proper folks closer to the vale of Peshawar there are "good Taliban" and "bad taliban." The ones that are crossing the border and hitting NATO are "good" and the ones hitting Police stations and ISI installations are "bad." its an absurd paradigm... but that is exactly how brain washed the Pakistani public is regarding the war.

I met one individual from Nowshera who fumed when we discussed the matter and he somehow simultaneously supported Bhutto and Musharraf... I pointed out their enmity and he accused me of being an ingrate. He was older so I held my tongue. My theory on it is that Pakistan has a much more established media and communication system that the government can utilize at its whim to send mixed messages like that. This is one fascinating reason why NATO has a difficult time propandazing southern Afghanistan... there were so few telephone lines years ago that we had to use Satellite phone in 2003. There is not a TV in every village house and radio still serves as mode of communication there.

[ScimitarXEdge]

The peaceful dissolution of USSR is a proof that even the 15 federating units of the erstwhile USSR weren't colonies let alone afghanistan. But you can't say the same about Punjab which occupies more afghan land than that of india.

THe peaceful dissolution? Russia was bankrupt; it wasnt a peaceful dissolution; it just had no finances to stay together. How could a man who participated in the deaths of 1.5 Million Afghans bring peace?


At least be intellectually honest; the circumstance of 1991 Russia was different than 1978 Soviet Union, or even 1987 Soviet Union.

[khyaal]

so you like najb for being a criminal?


Who cares about Pashtunistan? You know Islam opposes ethnocentrism right/ Why are you focusing on ethnic nationalism?

Islam doesn't endorse occupation either. Punjab/Pakistan is an occupier which has seized more than half of afghan land.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

so you like najb for being a criminal?


Who cares about Pashtunistan? You know Islam opposes ethnocentrism right/ Why are you focusing on ethnic nationalism?

Nope, he was a good statesmen. He knew how to handle Afghans and bring prosperity to the country.

I am for patriotism. I am against radical nationalism, but having a united Pashtunistan is the only way our people will have peace. We are proud people, and we need to be together or under a proper Islamic government. The latter does not work, Pakistan is a disgrace. It was created for one thing and it turned out to be a headache for ALL Muslims. May Allah curse Zia Ul Haqq eternally.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Islam doesn't endorse occupation either. Punjab/Pakistan is an occupier which has seized more than half of afghan land.

That's why I believe that all current Nation States should be completely dissolved, as they were all carved by British Imperialists; Afghanistan included.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

The peaceful dissolution of USSR is a proof that even the 15 federating units of the erstwhile USSR weren't colonies let alone afghanistan. But you can't say the same about Punjab which occupies more afghan land than that of india.

Peaceful dissolution? Chechnya comes to mind. Also, as a former engineer I had the privilege of working with former East german and Czech republic engineers who provided validated stories of USSR aggressions and impositions (e.g. lawyers were demoted to ditch diggers) etc. The Communist manifesto was implemented in all governing areas.

Furthermore, the tyrant states that persisted after the soviet blocks fell, e.g. the persecution of Muslims in Uzbekistan is a well documented human rights disaster.

[khyaal]

THe peaceful dissolution? Russia was bankrupt; it wasnt a peaceful dissolution; it just had no finances to stay together. How could a man who participated in the deaths of 1.5 Million Afghans bring peace?


At least be intellectually honest; the circumstance of 1991 Russia was different than 1978 Soviet Union, or even 1987 Soviet Union.

LOL. And what about pakistan's economy when they butchered 3 million Bengalis to keep their hegemony by usurping their land and rights? USSR could do the same but it didn't.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

That's why I believe that all current Nation States should be completely dissolved, as they were all carved by British Imperialists; Afghanistan included.

Finally, we agree on something.

This is the reason why we needed people like Dr. Najib. In a brutal system, he knew how to advance the country. Sad but true. This is why he is the best we had--he knew the system. Change the system and he becomes obsolete.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Nope, he was a good statesmen. He knew how to handle Afghans and bring prosperity to the country.

I am for patriotism. I am against radical nationalism, but having a united Pashtunistan is the only way our people will have peace. We are proud people, and we need to be together or under a proper Islamic government. The latter does not work, Pakistan is a disgrace. It was created for one thing and it turned out to be a headache for ALL Muslims. May Allah curse Zia Ul Haqq eternally.

"Patriotism is the last refuge upon which a scoundrel clings" - Samuel Johnson.

Ethnocentrism is what keeps people divided; it's just a way to use people of a certain ethnicity and manipulate them to do bad things. Nazi Germany is a perfect example.

[khyaal]

That's why I believe that all current Nation States should be completely dissolved, as they were all carved by British Imperialists; Afghanistan included.

LOL. Where is your morality gone when it comes ot Pakistan? LOL equating the historic afghan nation with that of Pakis. Could you tell us what land afghanistan has occupied and from whom?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Finally, we agree on something.

This is the reason why we needed people like Dr. Najib. In a brutal system, he knew how to advance the country. Sad but true. This is why he is the best we had--he knew the system.

But Najib wanted to maintain the carvings of British Imperialists on some level.


Please stop looking for excuses to validate najib; I don't do it for the Taliban or Mujahideen.

[ScimitarXEdge]

LOL. Where is your morality gone when it comes ot Pakistan? LOL equating the historic afghan nation with that of Pakis. Could you tell us what land afghanistan has occupied and from whom?

Because it's the truth. Morality sides with Truth not ethnic pride wanting to rewrite history in it's favor.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

"Patriotism is the last refuge upon which a scoundrel clings" - Samuel Johnson.

Ethnocentrism is what keeps people divided; it's just a way to use people of a certain ethnicity and manipulate them to do bad things. Nazi Germany is a perfect example.

hubbul watan minal imaan.

[ScimitarXEdge]

hubbul watan minal imaan.

There was no such word as watan during the time of Muhammad(saw); the word they used as Balad, this is forged hadith.