The question of independent Pashtunistan —Musa Khan Jalalzai

[torkham]

I dont really worry about a Pashtunistan ; let's dismantle all Stans and establish a an Amirate which can springboard into a Khilafah.

like PanAm

or PK . . . . Pan Khulfaat

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yeah that's the ticket wrora.

[ComradePashtun]

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan



Relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan have remained strained due to the Durand Line dispute. Successive Afghan governments refused to recognise the Durand Line as a legitimate border between the two countries. The borderland is predominantly inhabited by Pashtun tribes who were divided by then Afghan ruler Abdul Rahman Khan’s wrong decision in 1893. This issue has been a major cause of strained relations between the two states. Neither Pakistan nor Afghanistan has realised the importance of the other.

Afghan rulers followed the policy of confrontation towards Pakistan, while Pakistan, since its independence, has failed to evolve a pragmatic Afghan policy. The country followed a predominantly pro-American policy for the last 60 years. Since the creation of Pakistan, both the states have interfered in each other’s internal affairs time and again, but there has never been a turn to full-scale war. In 1971, during the Bangladesh war, the Afghan security forces were guarding Pakistan’s border. Similarly, Pakistan helped the people of Afghanistan during the Soviet intervention in 1979.

The border dispute between Pakistan and Afghanistan was created by Great Britain in 1893 in exchange for arms and cash offered to the Afghan ruler Amir Abdur Rahman Khan. The perception that Amir Abdur Rahman was under pressure to accept the Durand Line Treaty and had no freedom to negotiate with Great Britain, forcing him to sign the agreement, is totally wrong.

Abdur Rahman was in a hurry and willingly demanded the settlement of the border dispute with British India and asked for sending a British Mission to Kabul in October 1888 and again in 1893. Sir Mortimer Durand was welcomed with a royal reception. Amir Abdur Rahman was well satisfied with the outcome of his negotiations with Sir Mortimer Durand. As Britain came to know that there was no proper discussion between Balochistan and Afghanistan on the Durand Agreement, it continued to reaffirm the Durand Line Agreement with the Afghan rulers from 1901 to 1973.

Now, coming to the legality of the Durand Line as an internationally recognised border, Afghanistan has been adamantly denying the legitimacy of the Durand Line since 1947, while Pakistan accepts it as a legitimate border between the two states. Pakistan says that its legitimacy was confirmed for the first time by the statement of Mr Noel Baker, secretary of state for the Commonwealth in the British House of Commons on June 30, 1950. Moreover, in 1956, the ministerial council of the Southeast Asia Treaty Organisation (SEATO) in a Karachi meeting also reaffirmed the recognition of the Durand Line as the internationally recognised boundary between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

In 1949, when the Afghan national assembly rejected all treaties signed with Britain, including the Durand Line agreement, the people of Waziristan did not react warmly. They were now settled and enjoying a happy life within the boundaries of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Moreover, the humiliation of their tribal elders at the hands of Abdur Rahman and his colleagues in Kabul and their expulsion from Afghanistan forcefully ensured that neither the people of Waziristan nor Khyber Pakhtunkhwa show specific interest in an independent Pashtunistan. In their understanding, this is the political game Afghan and Pakistani rulers have been enjoying since 1947.

In the 1960s and 1970s, Afghanistan extended the demand of independent Pashtunistan to some areas of Balochistan, but political parties and tribal chiefs reacted in a normal way. No Afghan ruler has sincerely responded to the feelings of the Pashtun tribes across the border. Zahir Shah once decided to make a compromise on Pashtunistan and enter into a confederation agreement with Pakistan. President Daud was willing to settle the issue with Pakistan between 1977 and 1978 during his visit to Pakistan. He visited Muhammad Ziaul Haq with this spirit and invited him to settle the border issue forever. In 1979, President Nur Muhammad Tarakai agreed to give up the claim of independent Pashtunistan provided Pakistan cut off support to the Afghan mujahideen groups. President Tarakai was a politician and was well aware of the consequences of military confrontation with Pakistan.

President Dr Muhammad Najibullah once told my uncle Khan Jahan Khan that he cannot fire a single bullet towards Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and cannot hurt his Pashtun sisters, mothers and brothers. But the Afghan ruler neither offered the Pashtuns of Pakistan the citizenship of Afghanistan nor gave them the right of vote. They never accepted them as Afghans nor allowed them to visit Afghanistan without a Pakistani passport. This is the secret story of ‘independent Pashtunistan’ that Afghan rulers developed dramatically.

My understanding is that this was just a political game the Afghan and Pakistani rulers played for protecting their political interests at the expense of the poor Pashtun people. Today’s backward and ethnically divided Afghanistan still demands the return of its land and people its ruler sold for nothing, but the international community now recognises the Durand Line as the Pak-Afghan legitimate border

Some Afghan leaders are of the opinion that the Durand Agreement had a life of 100 years, and, as such, lost its legal standing in 1993. My answer to them is that the present-day Afghanistan has not been able to control its territory or extend the writ of the government to the whole of the country, how can it possibly manage the human, economic, political, health and food security of the people of both Afghanistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?

Pashtuns in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are not willing to join Afghanistan or struggle for an independent Pashtunistan. They understand they will not be able to manage an independent state economically. They have sympathy with their Afghan brothers but do not want to join them as we saw that the internally displaced persons (IDPs) of Pakistan preferred to remain in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa instead of taking refuge in Afghanistan. An independent Pashtunistan state is an economic impossibility and will be more dangerous for Afghanistan than for Pakistan.

Finally, I must suggest that both Pakistan and Afghanistan must not allow the Durand Line to become a flashpoint. They should open-heartedly accept the independent status of each other. As most of the Asian frontiers and borders have not been demarcated by Asians themselves, but by colonial powers, therefore nobody can insist on the inviolability of any frontier, including the Durand Line. The Great Game and military confrontations between Russia and Great Britain caused the fixing of the Durand Line, which brought the Khyber Pass and Quetta under British-Indian control. In summation, Pakistan and Afghanistan as two Muslim neighbouring states must understand the importance of each other.

Pashtunistan issue and the old Afghan policy is effectively obselete. On the other hand this article is pure nonsense.

You have to take a whole stock of Afghanistan's constrains. Afghanistan was no super power. It fought three wars against mighty Brtitain so just to convince it to leave it alone, while on the other hand Russia was more of a problem and threatened Afghanistan's soveriegnty than Britain. There was nothing more Afghanistan could do, it had no means (no money&weapons) to object to Durand line or take any measure at all. Some tribes and notables with influence to the east of Durand had already been bought off and heavily recruited in the British army. It was a done matter for Amir Abdurrahman.

On the other hand the wily Amir managed to enlist British help against Russian intrique and threats, while simultaneously (as a great man of vision he was) consolidated Afghanistan as a true county and laid the foundation of a state that Afghanistan has been. If one reads his personal biography, then can one get an idea of and trully understand what he was faced agaisnt, than reading this ******* Jalalzai's sucking up to his masters propaganda. His biography is imbued with vision and systematic goal how to make Afghanistan stronger and bring the lands under British sovereignty (I say this because he himself confess that it was only leased to be under British sovereignty for period of time) under Afghanistan's control and unite Pashtuns. Even though while assuring Britain (out of no choice of course) to not make troubles for them, he never gave up and continously supported rebellious tribes and even directly made incurssions to the east of Durand.

As for Pakistani Pashtuns being not alowed in to Afghansitan, this son of a biatch Jalazai should've not forgotten that Pakistani Pashtuns in general were provided all the moral and material support needed when feasible. Many of them were provided free higher education and even special Rahman Baba school was soley established for them. As for visaa being required, the son of a biatch (Musa Khan Hamramizai) forgot that Pakistani Pashutns would've been more compelled (by Pakistan than Afghanistan) to travel with Paki passport as it would only made their departure from any land or air Pakistani port a matter of not being accused of a spy and ofcourse Pakistan would've enforced its sovereignty as roack-solid as possible on them. Just imagine any Paki trying to fly on a international trip from any Paki airport; would he must have the visa on immigration and given an exit on his passport and entry back when entering the country, and if not - what explaination would this person provide to the authority? Oh.. I don't effing recognise you?

On the other hand, as for land crossing, visa to this date does not exist! I can tell you from a first hand experience that within our own family have brought in Pakistani Pashutns construction workers (through a contractor) for some projects who do not happen to have visa of any kind. Enough said!

As for the Musahiban (Nadir Shah, Zahir Shah, Duad Khan) era they were under pressure from Pashtun artistrocrats and influential tribal leaders in the south for their Pashtunistan policy. So people (if we consider Pashutns of both sides as one) cannot be sold as some claim. Of course there were multi interests involved. Pashtuns unification a justified one and an access to the port; had it happened Pashtuns no where would have been living in the squalor and the fate that is their's no need to elaborate on. We would've not been subservient to any one but a power to be reconed with. Afghanistan did not have a design on Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns to colonise and enslave them. Fack sake.

Any way that is all gone with the wind! It was a failed policy from my own perspective, as I have said this time and again before too. Afghanistan shouldn't have based such a critical policy on the manipulaiton of the smattering opportunists on the other side! We know where they stand while Afghanistan is burning now. It was an utter folly! Paki Pashtuns are happy with their status, sadly.

Afghanistan has no moral, political, rational or legal basis to revive or even mention Pashtunistan or even speak remotely about Pakistani Pashtun, and nor it does have any obligation. Pashtuns in Pakistan right now are on board with what ever is currently happening in Pashtunkhwa (those who part of the establishment). They are Pakistani first above any thing and have not spared any effort to be non other but Pakistani.

Even if Afghansitan were given the entire Pashtun areas today on the platter, neither can it obsorb nor can it control it. I think thins the way they are, are good enough.

Further confrontation between Afghanistan and Pakistan, it is mutually disadvantageous and destructive for both countries. As a muslisms they should cooperate and forsee brighter and peaceful future.


Pashtunistan is a dream. For Afghans it is a waste of time and unwarranted distraction.

[ComradePashtun]

Yeah that's the ticket wrora.

More of a sping board for Pakification and Pakistani dream realisation. Not in a million years. Stay where you are thank you. That is the inherent Pakiness reeking from you.

Kahlifah, that is a demented proposition while you sit there in America.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Amazing, nothing gets by you, you have me figured out; I mean when I said ALL STANS, I mean that would naturally include Pakistan, but you saw my disguise and honed in that the demise of all such imperially fabricated nation states is really the ISI's own masochistic self abuse.


but here's a news flash, the concept of Khilafah existed long before Pakistan or Pashtunistan, and it will exist long after. So you can use the paki scapegoat all you want. At least I'm not an ethnocentric bigot nor do I justify looney toon Taliban atrocities.

and how/why is it a demented proposition living in America? Do you also not live in one of the many Imperialist societies that have wrought havoc upon the world? Please explain instead of being intellectual dead weight and shouting "paki" in a crowded theater.

[ComradePashtun]

It does not matter! This news flash has been flashing whenever Pakistani is in strategic sh!t and isolated. This was the case when America refused to take interest in you immediately when Great Britain reared you and left the continent and you were scared that India might do something to you. Then you run around by-passing Afghansitan and asking Arab countries and Turkey for the Khailifah whom also refused you to even listen to you. Then your Islamic status after some deliberation was considered and boosted by USA to play part against Soviet in the region and even ivcoked in the middle east security arrangement. No wonder your muslim army is pledging its loyalty in protecting U.S. interest in Bahrain by sending in its mercenaries.

Only Taliban and Paki establishment would want the so called Khailifa for now, other than that no one cares. They are both despised for such a holy project and per se are the antithessis. I would say Scimitar, don't make an arse out of yourself by proposing such a dumb ideas. And post ideas, even if demented and Paki, but with siome degree of practicality.

[ComradePashtun]

Man I don't care and you have no credibility as far as I am concerned. You are amunafiq to even go to the extend of concealing your Pakistani identity. I know about the intellect of your kind. Utopia! Come better, my friend, I aint no graveyard and some other deluded and naive one.

[ScimitarXEdge]

You're right, you got me again; I mean you sound like a raving crackhead; but even a snotty obnoxious irrational dimwit can outsmart me; I mean clearly you honed in that I'm a crypto-pakistani, what next? I mean even though the whole Neo-Khilafah Movement was Promulgated by Sayyid Jamaluddin Al-Afghani; but wait Sayyid Jamaluddin Al-Afghani was really an ISI agent, the MQ Khan, wasn't working on a Nuke for Pakistan, he was working on a Time Machine;so he went to Sunnyvale, California, broke into Doc Emmet Brown's house, stole his Delorean; got 1.7 Gigawatts of power and zipped back in time. You have it all figured out; naturally Pakistan would want the Khilafah, because then it would be the end of Pakistan and thus Pakistan would cease exist. Clearly uniting Muslims, putting ethnocentric bigots who massacre Hazaras and Tajiks in check , I mean although Pakistan ...ahem I mean we fueled it, keeping Muslims perpetually divided is way better for us; I mean we'll be perpetually at war with each other, never using our resources cooperatively so we can stop being dependent on Western technology; it's all a Paki conspiracy to make us actually self sufficient for once.

how did you get so darn clever Comrade?

[ComradePashtun]

You trully are a crackhead, I guess the rest of the excess bullsh!t was a just a banter, right crackhead?

How the eff can crack make you so smart and live in such utopia? STF up!

[ComradePashtun]

Deal and live with reality not with crack. Your visoin for now is beyond our foresight, at least for now.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Not only are you brilliant and can manuver your way from a meritable debate by accusing everyone of being Crypto-Pakis; you can even copy their sarcastic comebacks. What will you think of next?

[ComradePashtun]

Meritable debate? What, Khalifah?lol That is a buzzing talk, as in the local London slang we call it. From vast personal experience only Pakis are immune to this chat.

Go on then!

[ComradePashtun]

Oh I meant not immune! lol

[ComradePashtun]

Gotta go. Another time.

[graveyardofempires]

Man I don't care and you have no credibility as far as I am concerned. You are amunafiq to even go to the extend of concealing your Pakistani identity. I know about the intellect of your kind. Utopia! Come better, my friend, I aint no graveyard and some other deluded and naive one.

hey clown
watch your tongue this is the second time you are backbiting.

you sound like one of those witches