The anti-pashtun marwats khans

[randolph85]

The responses are too vitriolic to be considered worthy of academic discourse. Still, it is essential that some misconceptions are cleared up immediately. Pakistan had its inception as a secular state. Any state that mixes religion and politics is bound to end in disaster. Israel is not a secular state and we have seen its history marked in bloodshed.

Unless a muslim has the temerity to suggest that we give up the loving universal message of Islam, which is best manifested in secular democracies, and adopt zealotry and bigotry as religious states do, Pakistan's inception was rightly quite secular. Shaikh Muhammad Abduh, one of the astute muslim thinkers of the late 19th century, is quoted to have said "I went to the West and saw Islam but not muslims, and I came to East and saw muslims but not Islam". There is great wisdom to this quote.

To call Pakistan a land of kafirs is to by default exclude oneself from any civil debate. Pakistan was the brainchild of some of the most prominent muslim minds such as Dr. Muhammad Iqbal, Maulana Muhammad Ali Johar, and the famed Leopold Weiss (Muhammad Asad). However to suggest that the method of partitioning India was the fault of Jinnah or his allies is ignorant at best. The British hastily partitioned India leaving several areás in turmoil, not only the Khyber region. The Sikhs also lost access to some of their most holiest sites in the Punjab.

As concerns history, I believe it is essential that ordinary Afghans are well acquainted with their own history. Many Afghans and Pashtuns are under some self-delusional mindset that Afghanistan has always been ruled by the Pashtuns. The pashtun dynasties in Afghanistan only rose to power in 1709 (barely 300 years ago) with the rise of Mirwais Khan Hotaki and later Ahmad Shah Baba. Before that, for nearly 1000 years of islamic history, what is now Afghanistan changed hands between Mongols, Turks and the Persians. We pashtuns were also notorious for switching alliances when it suited us.

Many muslims in the Indian subcontinent supported Maharaja Ranjit Singh and were later employed by the British. Let us not regress to infantile heroism. Muslims in India as muslims in every other time period, practiced Realpolitik, and allied themselves with those who were their neighbours, their long-time allies and with whom they shared more cultural ties than the Afghans who were alien to them. If this makes them so called "kafirs", then it is slippery slope before such accusations can also be hurled at a long line of muslim leaders and caliphs including many Afghan leaders such as Shah Shuja who sided with the British. Broken jaws ?" Dost Muhammad Khan was soundly defeated by the British in open battle, the British also took the hitherto impregnable fortress at Ghazni, by the treachery of "wait for it".... an Afghan. It is essential to examine one's own history before callling others kafirs and munafiqs. I hope Afghans realize that the First Anglo Afghan War is not something to take pride in ! General Elphinstone was promised safe passage to India and then attacked while retreating with nearly 11000 civilians. To break agreements and massacre civilians is not only contrary to the laws of chivalry to but the laws of Islam as well.

To live in the past is detrimental and foolish. To believe that the Pakistani government should allow Afghans to enter Pakistan without identification is ludicrous. The Afghans have never reciprocated that gesture. As a pashtun, when I crossed into the border, the Afghan border gaurds took a good 5 minutes examining my passport. Let us not hurl useless accusations or engage in name calling. Pashtuns on both sides of the border have shown both extreme valor and extreme cowardice. There are great many pakistani pashtuns who have died in the service of their country and have been living manifestations of Pakhtunwali. Many pashtuns have died protecting the tribal areas from armed insurgents. Let us not forget Rahman Baba is buried in Pakistan. Let us not forget that one of the greatest pashtun kings and indian kings so to speak, Sher Shah Suri is buried in India. We pashtuns are a nomadic tribal people. Pashtunwali and islam will be carried in our hearts and we may practice it in New York City or may choose not to practice it in Kandahar.

i believe your quote is from jamaluddin afghani, he also said the world was witness to the power of islam when muslims followed their religion.

and how do u defend the british in the anglo wars when afghanistans only "crime" was doing business with other nations instead of solely british india? the people who were carrying british guns and materials in the invasion and occupation of the country were not civilians, they were active participants with the foreign entity that invaded the country.

in pakistan today, its not afghans who blow themselves up and kill people, its ur very own. on the flip side, its people entering from pakistan who blow themselves up in afghanistan. hence, checking people at the border.

[Marwato Khan]

well saifullahs are rich businessmen ,not some "khan" or "malik" of marwats. There are other khans of marwats, one of them is anwar kamal khan marwat, who earned great respect in regard to pashtunwali by being chief of marwat qaumi lashkar and eliminating talibans completely from lakki. Dear you have zero percent info on lakki, which is evident from your PM to me in which you claimed that marwats speak seraiki and wear tehbund lol
beside if any marwat has done any thing to you then i am not responsible for it.

Well @ aab e hayat u says that Saifullahs are not Khans of Marwats, I think u do not know about the Saifullah Family, Saifullah Family of Ghazni khel leading the Marwats from 7 generations. Khan is not only defined by character, primarily it is by family tree which of Mr. Khan clearly shows hes khan. Son of Khan Saifullah khan, grand-son of Khan Sahib Faizullah Khan, great grand son of Khan Sahib Sher Dil Khan, great great grand son of Khan Mahabat Khan, leading Warrior and Chief of Marwat Tribe and so on. He is nephew of Raees-e-Azam Haji Niamtullah Khan Ghazni Khel, Senator, MPA

[Michin Khel]

^We marwats have to finish these feudal lords from our backward region.