Personally i am a weak pashtun and weak pakistani because i am not sentimental and i dont blindly follow things, you can convince me with reason, facts and logic not with emotional slogans !
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Pashtun Forums is a good website. I have recently registered my membership and read different posts with interest.
While freedom of expression is right of every human being we should present balanced views which are historically factual. Our religion also teaches us to stay within the parameters of decency and ethics. Our Pashtunwali also demands that we should be decent and courteous. Unfortunately, some of the views posted by my fellow members do not serve any purpose, except for hurling accusations without quoting any reference or proof. The content of this website can certainly be improved by posting informative posts. The criticism of any individual and/or organization should be unbiased, balanced, and constructive based entirely on facts. Extreme views should be avoided while supporting and opposing a person or a statement.
I would like to draw attention to some of the statements made in different posts. In one of the messages it is written that “The most punjabizads and speak even a punjabi type pashtu ,,,achaa,,,etc. These traitors destroy the pashtuns for punjabis.Their pashtu is dead,gerat and pashtunwali dead..”. This statement is extreme in extent and devoid of any reasoning. This statement should not have been given in the first place, as it does not serve any purpose except causing a bad taste.
The honourable writer mentions in another statement that “anwar kamal is another traitor and belong to PML/if i am not wrong”. Calling someone a “traitor” without any substantial evidence is an absolute false statement. Belonging to any particular political party is everybody’s right. We should not blame someone for his/her party affiliation. By the way, I happen to know Mr. Anwar Kamal. He is a Pashtun with very good credentials, both at political as well as personal level.
Similarly, there are statements about Saifullahs which contain objectionable content. One of them states that “and all of the above their pakipied mother kalsoom saifullah marwat along with their marwat supporters are the ,,hater,,of pashtuns and pashtunkhwa”. Another statement says that “Kalsoom saifullah marwat voted 70 time in refrendum held in 40s for the support of Pakistan.” This too has been quoted without any reference and/or evidence. The honourable writer ought to refrain from making such indecent and inappropriate statement. Saifullah family is a highly respected family not only because of their industrial and business background, but also because of their historical background. Their mother, Begum Kulsum Saifullah Khan is a noble and humble lady respected by all well wishers as well as her opponents. This is no more than a hearsay that she voted 70 times in referendum. However, we must appreciate that she was and still is a supporter of Pakistan.
The writer with username “Aab-e-Hayat” has a balanced approach in expressing his views which are much appreciated.
We should shun the habit of tarnishing image of anyone by leveling false allegations as it will not serve us. We should behave very maturely. We still have great leaders and politicians amongst us. Our discussion should be informative, factual and purposeful. Unfortunately, this kind of attitude does exist at state level as well. For example, it was the state of Pakistan represented by General Musharraf who leveled false allegations publicly about our hero Dr. AQ Khan.
Truth will always prevail as it did prevail in the case of Dr. Khan who is still a great hero of every Pakistani but General Musharraf is damned by most of Pakistanis. Even the state power could not distort the fact, although all efforts were made to malign Dr. Khan.
I also request the moderator to keep reminding the writers that Pashtun Forums is a forum for literary and purposeful discussion. Criticism based on facts should be encouraged while leveling false allegations should be discouraged. This is how this forum will become a great place for discussing politics and suggest viable solution to the problems that our province as well as our beloved country are faced with.
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What is this "country"?This is how this forum will become a great place for discussing politics and suggest viable solution to the problems that our province as well as our beloved country are faced with.
As far as I know Pashtuns are mainly in two countries.
1. The motherland and home of Pakhtoons, Afghanistan, the land of Ahmed Shah Abdali (rahmatullahi alaih) and where Fakhr i Afghan, Bacha Khan (rahmatullahi alaih) is buried.
2. Pakistan.
I think you are under the impression that this is a Pakistani site. It is not.
It is a forum for Pashtuns and guests of Pashtuns to discuss affairs of all Pashtuns, regardless of the so-called "Durrand line", which I suspect you as a Pakistani nationalist are a staunch supporter of.
On another note, sometimes truths maybe expressed in a crude or unpleasant manner, but on the other hand a fox may speak or call for evil with the softest and sweetest tongue.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Unfortunately while our cultures and nation is one and the same, the political divisions have created small gaps. It isn't just Afghanistan v pashtunkhwa, but even within Pashtunkhwa. I think we need to be more even-handed and understanding towards our own, before we talk of unions.Originally posted by Timbaktulol, so you think AFG is clean or was ever totally clean?
BLS is right, you need to be more even handed. you act as if KPK pashtuns are totally desified and lost their culture. well your totally wrong. There are a few stray individual and parties but thats also the case with pashtuns in AFG. Its all our collective struggle. Using words like "they" doesn't really help. You claim that you think pashtuns are one. then stop using words like "they".
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i am from landakai area of lakki marwat. Saifullah brothers are ancesstaral khans of my area. Anwar Kamal Khan is also Khan. Naseer Muhammad Khan is also Khan. Anwar Kamal is very good man and respected, and so is Saifullah family They have forged an alliance and are on good terms.Originally posted by Aab-e-Hayat View PostIf gadoonwal has problem with saifullah family then it is understanable but the title is so wrong, what is meant by "anti-pashtun marwats khans", it should have been " anti-pashtun saifullahs" . By social background, saifullahs are rich businessmen and politicians, they are not khans or malaks.
Also if participating in pakistani politics is anti-pashtun thing then nearly all pashtun politicians are fit into being anti-pashtuns.
Anwar Kamal is 'Khan of MinaKhel and its villages
Saifullah brothers are 'Khans of Ghazni Khel and its villages.
Naseer Muhammad Khan 'Khan of Midad Khel and its villages.
Mashal Khan Begu Khel 'Khan of Begu Khel and its villages.
Aslam Khan Eisakhel 'Khan of Essakhel and its villages.
These families are mentioned in the Bannu Gazateer of 1907
Malik Imran is NOT a Khan. Kabir Khan is a not Khan
these are the main Khans of the area, and they are all for Pakistan. The entire marwat nation is for Pakistan, and has been since beginning. marwat district. We are proud to be pushtun, but we love Pakistan. we are muslim first then pakistani then pushtun we should get united even if the peple of punjab are anti someone, we should still not be taking on revenge. develpment is important
thanks to Anwar kamal khan and saifullah family, we are defended against taliban
thanks to saifullah family, we have over 700 schools more than charsadda and nokhar
we have things we didnt have before
i support stance for pakistan marwat tribe never attacked other tribes we still have the pure afghan blood other tribes attacked and sometimes mixed just leave us to ourself
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All of the marwat khans including meenakhels accepted Raees title from British, so in that case everyone was british. calling someone agent of british without proof is wrong very respectable meena khels were in english service khan hakim khan. khan gulham dawood khan meena khel was D.C. of Bannu and DI khan in British timeOriginally posted by Aab-e-Hayat View PostSaifullah's grandpa was an agent of British. These upper class businessmen have nothing to do with pashtuniyat. This family cant even speak in their own marwat dialect. I cant forget the rally against renaming in lakki, which was arranged by saifullings by giving money to protestors.
Dear gadoonwal, what do you expect from pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa when through out school and college they sing pakistani anthem and read praises of jinnah, paki army etc. I am doing MBBS, and even mbbs has one paper of pakistan studies. Seeking education in pakistan would definately make you a good pakistani citizen and a weak pashtun unless you have extraordinary appetite for books which would make you read neutral books.
khan habibullah khan. in fact meena khels were the first to join british civil service from marwat tribe. does that mean they were agents of the british
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Oh my, how embarrassingOriginally posted by hameedlandakai View Posti am from landakai area of lakki marwat. Saifullah brothers are ancesstaral khans of my area. Anwar Kamal Khan is also Khan. Naseer Muhammad Khan is also Khan. Anwar Kamal is very good man and respected, and so is Saifullah family They have forged an alliance and are on good terms.
Anwar Kamal is 'Khan of MinaKhel and its villages
Saifullah brothers are 'Khans of Ghazni Khel and its villages.
Naseer Muhammad Khan 'Khan of Midad Khel and its villages.
Mashal Khan Begu Khel 'Khan of Begu Khel and its villages.
Aslam Khan Eisakhel 'Khan of Essakhel and its villages.
These families are mentioned in the Bannu Gazateer of 1907
Malik Imran is NOT a Khan. Kabir Khan is a not Khan
these are the main Khans of the area, and they are all for Pakistan. The entire marwat nation is for Pakistan, and has been since beginning. marwat district. We are proud to be pushtun, but we love Pakistan. we are muslim first then pakistani then pushtun we should get united even if the peple of punjab are anti someone, we should still not be taking on revenge. develpment is important
thanks to Anwar kamal khan and saifullah family, we are defended against taliban
thanks to saifullah family, we have over 700 schools more than charsadda and nokhar
we have things we didnt have before
i support stance for pakistan marwat tribe never attacked other tribes we still have the pure afghan blood other tribes attacked and sometimes mixed just leave us to ourself
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