The question of an independent Khorasan state —Musa Khan Jalalzai

[Azmal]

We Afghans need to realize Pakistan and their lapdog’s continuing deception…we have to be smart as a nation and understand that until Pakistan burns in flames in the future, we will have to help ourselves by staying on guard against all of their negative efforts at destroying our nation. The US is here to help us militarily, we also have to show the US that we ARE capable of raising our intellectual defenses against the Pakistanis. What good are we to the US if all Pakistanis have to do is spread lies in our forums, in our newspapers, in our schools, in our society?
Frankly speaking, nobody in their right minds would forget about the brutality these Paki lab dogs elk signify… Putting it into perspective, I am particularly sensitive to ethnic war or ethnic power struggle in Afghanistan.. especially when it's lectured by known paki dog rambling from Pakistan.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Pakistan and other "stans" including, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Ahmaqistan, and Afghanistan are all red herrings, Imperially constructed designs to manipulate, exploit and divert asia. The only friends of Pakistan are the ones who play into the Imperial Illusion of an independent nefarious entity out to subvert other ethnic groups for their own.

The conflict and controversy between regional imperially manufactured Nation States like Pakistan or even as Khidr points out, Afghanistan is to perpetuate the illusion that Our Enemies such as Imperialist societies like america who fund Pakistan and Afghanistan, are our "friends" but the manufactured State entities; who's people are just simple folks living their lives, albeit many have been brainwashed by patriotic dogma; are our enemies. All to keep us fighting the Imperial war of conquest, subjugation and exploitation. The U.S. aren't helping, they're using people from all sides, all just to subjugate the region and make it perpetually dependent and exploitable.

[fzpz]

Even amongst Pakistanis, the reason such animus exists despite the apparent "Muslim Facade" is ethnic disparity. It's time to suppress ethnic bias or ethnic centered ideologies. If this situation has been created the only way is to undo the situation; and concentrate on religious identity not ethnic.

you just said what present-day Pak "nationalists" want. An current entity where ethno/linguistic-centric hate is pushed aside (respected, but not a 1st identity) to build towards a common goal. At the end of the day, it is the best way forward for all in the regions (the stans). This way no one would care what the borders looked like. Countries expanded, or decreased in size would not mean subsequent hate or serving the purposes of those who want divides amongst the muslims.

[ScimitarXEdge]

yeah I'm tired of these deceitful and treacherous Traitors and Scam Artists like Toramana and MI6/Mazloomyar/Khara-de-gheen and Azmal always trying to manipulate ethnicity and being Pashtun to divide Muslims and keep the Imperialists in Power.


MI6 and Toramana both exposed it themselves; that they'd rather see Pashtuns exterminate each other than to see the British or Americans lose their Imperialist Hegemony; if that doesn't expose their treachery, what does?

[Toramana]

yeah I'm tired of these deceitful and treacherous Traitors and Scam Artists like Toramana and MI6/Mazloomyar/Khara-de-gheen and Azmal always trying to manipulate ethnicity and being Pashtun to divide Muslims and keep the Imperialists in Power.


MI6 and Toramana both exposed it themselves; that they'd rather see Pashtuns exterminate each other than to see the British or Americans lose their Imperialist Hegemony; if that doesn't expose their treachery, what does?

Yar tha kho matha dasai Arab red-neck () or Arab supremacist shan khkarai (not losing focus of what world-order is going to be better for Arabs)...If you have some practicable plan (beyond utopia) that would guarantee different groups the right to self-rule as well as native identity, unveil it...Otherwise what is the use of looking at every thing through that ----- eye ()....

[ScimitarXEdge]

Well I have a plan better than wishing pashtuns to exterminate each other, you Farangay servant boy , as you and your fellow slave of the British Raj , MI6 want to happen.

sta matlab dai chi hase waye zaka chi ta khpel zan da farangay mrayay malomegey

[Toramana]

Well I have a plan better than wishing pashtuns to exterminate each other, you Farangay servant boy , as you and your fellow slave of the British Raj , MI6 want to happen.

sta matlab dai chi hase waye zaka chi ta khpel zan da farangay mrayay malomegey

Hahahah, da Pukhto dai ghatha likalai da...pa Arabai aow Pukhto jabo kai dair faraq dai...

[Michin Khel]

The name of afghanistan should be changed to a neutral name, it signifies only pashtuns while more than half of the country population is non-pashtun.
Tajiks, hazaras have the right to live with equal status as pashtuns, not with label of minority.

[ComradePashtun]

Scmitar,

Deluded deesi, Afghanistan bears it's existance in struggle against imperialsm. It's history is marked by this. Any time Afghanistan was able to strike back against imperialism it has done so. If anything, Afghanistan has been a victim of Imperialism. What freaking history have you been reading?

[ComradePashtun]

The only imprial design and off-shoot was construction Pakistan, while only defencive measures to protect impire and imperialism was was to encroach on Afghanistan. Infact the Durand line was rather defecive measure against Afghanistan and Pashtuns than anything else. Imperialism failed twice to annex Afghanistan in to the shame that you Pakis are product of.

[ComradePashtun]

Don't look at us through your own prism. P****. We are proud people.

[ComradePashtun]

We have no identity crisis and unlike you we are content with who we are and our history. Muslim we are, but Afghan Muslims.

[ComradePashtun]

Not that it makes difference. Oh well...

[Michin Khel]

Don't look at us through your own prism. Pukies. We are proud people.

What are you blabbing about? Pride and honour vanishes when you dont have enough money to buy one time meal. With empty stomach one would think of selling his daughters and send his sons to collect things from garbage or work on begging. Poor and starved people dont brag about pride, honour and ghairat when they they possesses none.
Instead of boasting non-sense ,Come back to your motherland and help your miserable people.

[Nick]

The question of an independent Khorasan state —Musa Khan Jalalzai

The three decades of civil war in Afghanistan caused state failure, linguistic conflict and the ethnicisation of politics. After the fall of the Taliban regime in 2001, Afghanistan experienced new patterns of ethnicisation, discrimination and violence. The brutal rule of the Taliban from 1996 to 2001 scattered the ethnically embroiled mosaic of the country, undermined the ethnic balance and divided the nation into small pieces. This irresponsible method of governance empowered the voices of those politically alienated ethnic groups who finally demanded the division of Afghanistan along ethnic lines.

Their demand of territorial autonomy and decentralisation of power has received massive support in the northern and central parts of the country. Their leaders, like General Rashid Dostum, Ismail Khan, Atta Muhammad, General Fahim and others are in favour of such a system to defend their political autonomy. After the fall of the Najibullah regime in 1992, they kept intact their military might to keep their territories free of rival groups. As these ethnic warlords received a lot of military and financial support from neighbouring states, they dared to demand greater autonomy, to the extent of changing the name of Afghanistan.

The idea of decentralisation that they proposed was opposed by the majority of parliamentarians. Afghan technocrats believe that decentralisation can move in the opposite direction, or toward separation and secession. They also understand the process of decentralisation and the consequences of the disintegration of the state. In their understanding, a territorial decentralisation plan is not implementable while in an ethnically divided society like Afghanistan, decentralisation could be destabilising, leading to secessionism.

The question is, if we accept the idea of federalism or decentralisation for a moment, one thing is clear: this will further strengthen regional warlords and their capture of regional state structures as foreign military intervention has already changed the traditional balance of power among ethnic players. Today, ethnic groups are more powerful than in the past.

Another problem that enrages civil society in the country is that the leaders, warlords, war criminals and commanders who committed serious war crimes enjoy the political and military support of NATO and the US. They receive money and weapons and enjoy protection. Afghans consider these regionalist and separatist warlords a big challenge for the process of nation building in their country. There are hundreds of political, religious and ethnic problems, which are becoming precarious challenges for the future of Afghanistan. Some issues are decades old, never addressed by the Afghan rulers, and some have newly emerged. Similarly, the lack of modern education, research, political and democratic institutions, reforms and a legitimate functioning state has mainly caused the present wrench.

Sometimes a columnist can become confused among this irksome wretchedness and ask which one is most important to write on. The recent debate on the sanguinary demand of an independent Khorasan state has caused woes for the Karzai regime and its Pashtun partners. Though the demand for an independent Khorasan state has never been considered so strong and sacrosanct before the fall of the Taliban regime, foreign intervention strengthened the resolve of the Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara communities to violently pursue their political agendas. Ten years ago, Tajik groups re-introduced themselves as the direct descendants of the Aryans and claimed that all Persian-speaking people belong to them. Having associated with this interpretation of history, they want to establish an independent Khorasan state and believe Afghanistan is the country of the Pashtuns and not the Afghans.

In their understanding, the demand for Pashtunistan itself is the denial of united Afghanistan and they say that the Pashtuns themselves want the partition of the country in terms of an independent Pashtunistan state. They regret supporting Pashtun political demands in the past because their recent demand for an independent Khorasan receives no support from their Pashtun brothers.

The first formal debate about the Khorasan independent state, according to a Benawa news report, started on the funeral of a Tajik, Syed Khalil, in Kabul last week. Supporters of a Khorasan state within the Afghan government, including Information Minister Dr Syed Makhdoom Raheen, former KHAD chief Amrullah Saleh and Vice President General Fahim, were leading the debate. Before going into the political background of the issue, I want to elucidate some historical facts about the Khorasan state and its geographical location in a few words. Historically speaking, Khorasan is the ancient name of today’s Afghanistan. Emperor Babur has written in his memoirs that Indians used to call all non-Indians Khorasanis.

The big cities of Khorasan, according to this group, were Mashhad, Nishapur, Herat, Ghazni, Kabul and Balkh, Merv, Samarkand, Bukhara and Khiva, Khujand and Panjakent. From the 4th to 9th centuries, they believe, a large portion of today’s Afghanistan was known as Khorasan and all four capitals of the state (Herat, Balkh, Merv and Nishapur) are now parts of Afghanistan and Central Asia. The non-Pashtun communities in Afghanistan claim that Khorasan was located in northern Afghanistan, northeast Iran and parts of southern Central Asia. Tajiks were the overwhelming majority and rulers of Khorasan.

During the Afghan jihad, separatism had never been an issue and no ethnic group ever demanded the partition of Afghanistan on an ethnic basis. Neither Pashtuns nor non-Pashtuns accept the partition plan. Neighbouring states like China, Iran, Russia and Pakistan have their own political and economic interests in Afghanistan, but none of them support the partition plan. Keeping in mind that competing ethnoscapes collide, the Panjsheri mafia and their Tajik partners propose that the country be divided into three parts: Khorasan, Pashtunistan, Hazaraistan.

There is another presumed threat of Balkanisation that experts expect after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014. This was revealed for the first time by Robert Blackwill, a former US ambassador to India. Another proposal comes from some quarters in the north that partition would prevent a full-scale return of the Taliban. Supporters of independent Khorasan believe that there was no such country with the name of Afghanistan until Russia and Britain decided to create it as a buffer state in 1893. To what extent they are right or wrong I am not sure, but as a student of Afghan history I think this interpretation of historical facts is wrong. Yes, Ahmad Shah Durrani, as they say, was born in Multan but he is the man who established the Afghan state in 1747. Moreover, the issue of Balkanisation will not work in Afghanistan and Pakistan will never allow such a partition plan. During the last three decades of civil war, several attempts at division failed and no Afghan government ever succumbed to the partition plan. In my opinion, such a plan for partition can backfire and fuel inter-ethnic wars.

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LOL An Article full fo Shia influnce **** I wonder who is this Jalalzai, the "afghan history student" who sees Ahmad Khan as a Pakistani. Its a fact there was no Khorasan, if there was any it would include Kashmir and Balochistan, after all underlining facts from Timurid era says so. Khorasan nothing but a dreamic invention of Islamic area, a directional name, since ages Arabs almost knew nothing about the world beyond their neighbours, after all a directional name since the Arabs knew little they would say "The Land from Where Sun rises" which is a fact and many Arabs knows this even a creackhead called Osama Bin Ladin.