Two titans of PF [Azmal, and BarakzaiAbdali]

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Please debate in a professional manner. No insults, no attacks.

Let's go.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Perhaps your new name on here should ring true to those old Wrigly Chewing gum commercials, you remember the tune: "double it, double it guuuum." In your case: Azmal becomes DoubleTheSlaveDoubleTheIncompetence

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Admin Khan]

No insults.
No attacks.
The rest is common sense.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Admin Khan, its hard to do so. As you saw tonight, besides myself, what did he accuse Randolph of? Now, with me, I could even humor him accusing me of some sort of Pakistani Clandestine mission per my mother's family and my wife's affiliation with the Wazirs. However, this imposter to the Telai-throne had the gall to call Randolph, who is half Tajik, a Panjabie mouthpiece. How he reduces thing to that sort of idiocy is beyond me. That sort of mentality deserves the raw smackings he gets here from me to set him aright.

In other situations, he referred to factual historical figures, like members of the Bamizai tribe as Paki Jinnah agents etc and completely ignored the argument that was presented and open to the forum for comment. There was no comment at all on that piece I put out there except some assinine response from Toramana accusing me of not understanding how secular the KP region is (note the original piece had nothing to do with secularism or religiosity... it had to do with the idea that Abdali tribesmen on the other side of the border had shown an affinity to Pakistan).

My goals here are not to attach KP to the Panjab and fuse it there for all eternity. I think you more than anyone has understood that I have advocated a realistic and pragmatic approach.

The bottom line Admin Khan?: Let me make a real world analogy. George W Bush told the nation that he was going to Iraq because he wanted to "liberate Iraq." He told the Americans that the Iraqis were awaitin our big guns and were ready for freedom. The reality Admin Khan, you and I both know. Sure, some Shias were ready... but a young 14 year old raped and murdered by US soldiers Abeer Hamza was surely not ready. The Sunni triangle surely was not ready... etc.

And in the same way, on here you have these voices telling the world that KP Pashtuns are awaitin big American guns to strike off the Pakistani yolk. Yet, the only group to actually be taking military action against Pakistani hegemony... under Hakimullah Mehsud, is maligned by these same voices as "Panjabi dominated." It is beyond disbelief how these people operate.

[Azmal]

The interesting thing about your text font of choice (exactly the same as parsiwaans and the other Tajiks) and your extremely poor English really defy your claims about you being a long term US citizen of any sort. It all points in one direction.
Once again, if you and your people choose to be Russian slaves and then translate that over to being slaves of other people, and then you get perturbed to see the Pashtuns fighting your and Fahim Bibi's hegemony, then either have about 1 whole brain cell powering your body... or you are about as useful to your people as your hero-father figure Abdul Rashid Dostum.

Now, my preference is that you deal with being Haraamaay-e Telai with a Panjabi slave:

http://www.royalark.net/Afghanistan/zikria.htm

"Sardar Zakaria Khan, twenty-first son of Sardar Sultan Muhammad Khan Telai, by a slave "

and that you find us your mysteriously absent Yusufzai slave grandmother (interestingly enough your claims make you double the Pakistani and twice the result of a one night stand):

m. (first) Maryam Begum, Bobo Jahan-i-Qal'a-i-Hazara (d.s.p.), daughter of Sardar Faqir Muhammad Khan, a Barakzai. m. (second) Bibi Walida Jahan (d. March 1915), daughter of Mir Jahandar Shah, Uzbek Mir of Badarkhshan. m. (third) ca. 1865, a daughter of H.H. Amir ul-Muminim Sayyid Amir Muzaffar ud-din 'Abdul Khan Bahadur Sultan, Amir of Bokhara. m. (fourth) 1875, after the birth of her sons, Asal Begum, previously Gulraz Bibi, a former slave-girl from Wakhan and Samarkand. m. (fifth) at Kabul, 22nd November 1880, Bibi Halima, Bobo Jahan-i-Jaghadar Begum (d. at Kabul, 1925), his Chief wife, daughter of Sayyid Mir Atiqu'llah Khan, by his wife, Shams-i-Jahan Begum, eldest daughter of H.H. Amir al-Mumenin, Amir-i-Kabir, Amir Dost Muhammad Khan, Amir of Afghanistan. m. (sixth) before 1882, a daughter of Mir Hakim Khan, Nizam ud-Daula, Mir of Shibarghan. m. (seventh) Safura Begum [Bibi Staro], a Chitrali lady. m. (eighth) Padshah Begum, daughter of a Mazari Sayyid from Balkh. m. (ninth) Bibi Gulraz II, a Kohlabi consort from Gulistani. m. (tenth) Bibi Zahara, a Shighani consort. m. (eleventh) Sajida Begum (d.s.p.), eldest daughter of Mir Muhammad 'Ali Khan Yaftali, of Badakhshan. m. (twelfth) a Kohlabi consort. m. (thirteenth) Bibi Nekadam (d. ca. 1886), a Chitrali consort. m. (thirteenth) a daughter of Muhammad Husain Khan Ming, of Maimana.

Tell me something for how much longer did you suspect the people of Afghanistan and Pashtonistan to continue suffering, while people like you nibble on bones thrown by punjabis? Please enlighten us to how your family were busy working for Punjabi Mafia military while living comfortably in Islamabad...don't deny it for you’ve admitted it as such on many occasions about your family in purkistan army, with last time to myself. How about now that your in US and had actively employed yourself as the Taliban mouthpiece on this forum. Giving this, would you care to elaborate on how you had expected to labor for Afghan/Pashton national interest while the pashtons motherland--thanks to you and other Fathan like you, was drifting into a pakistani colony? Perhaps you may care to enlighten us about how it is you’ have manage to be a American one day, a Talib another and a paki another day...and have the nervs to claim "i don't give a **** about Afghanistan." and then come back here to preach for Afghans.
To believe your Mohammadzia claim, we are actually cousins, so allow me help you help yourself… why are you serving enemy’s interest?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Tell me something for how much longer did you suspect the people of Afghanistan and Pashtonistan to continue suffering, while people like you nibble on bones thrown by punjabis? Please enlighten us to how your family were busy working for Punjabi Mafia military while living comfortably in Islamabad...don't deny it for you’ve admitted it as such on many occasions about your family in purkistan army, with last time to myself. How about now that your in US and had actively employed yourself as the Taliban mouthpiece on this forum. Giving this, would you care to elaborate on how you had expected to labor for Afghan/Pashton national interest while the pashtons motherland--thanks to you and other Fathan like you, was drifting into a pakistani colony? Perhaps you may care to enlighten us about how it is you’ have manage to be a American one day, a Talib another and a paki another day...and have the nervs to claim "i don't give a **** about Afghanistan." and then come back here to preach for Afghans.
To believe your Mohammadzia claim, we are actually cousins, so allow me help you help yourself… why are you serving enemy’s interest?

You moron, you are confusing me with Unknownprince. Produce the proof that I have ever said I had relatives in the Pakistani military you dolt.

And yes, I stand by my phrase. As an American, I dont give a **** about Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, India, Somalia etc. In fact, I do more than you following the words of our founding fathers who advocated "loving" these nations by not pursuing American interventionalism. Everyone here who has read my work knows your propagandizing is an attempt to somehow make the inference that by not wanting American interventionalism in Afghanistan somehow makes one a Pakistani sympathizer.

Now, please give us the name of that Yusufzai wife of AbdurRahman from that list and furnish proof regarding the identity of that slave woman that Telai was with being a Leghmani. Otherwise, apologize to the Safi tribesmen of Laghman for maligning their womenfolk.

[Admin Khan]

Greetings Azmal,

let's see what we have here. You said,

Tell me something for how much longer did you suspect the people of Afghanistan and Pashtonistan to continue suffering, while people like you nibble on bones thrown by punjabis?

Please enlighten us as to how BarakzaiAbdali is serving Punjabi interests?

Please enlighten us to how your family were busy working for Punjabi Mafia military while living comfortably in Islamabad...

Proof please.

How about now that your in US and had actively employed yourself as the Taliban mouthpiece on this forum.

Not true. PF serving as a platform for Pashtuns/Afghans, he has the right to say what he wants to say. Besides, like many Kandaharis, he just simply wants to show you the other side of the coin. I have yet to see him serve as the "Taliban mouthpiece" so with all due respect, that's not true.

Giving this, would you care to elaborate on how you had expected to labor for Afghan/Pashton national interest while the pashtons motherland--thanks to you and other Fathan like you, was drifting

As a medical doctor, who is consistently attempting to assist and persuade young Pashtuns/Afghan in the medical field, he is contributing a lot to our ethnic group and nation. He is a lot better than those arrogant Engineers and Doctors who refuse to share their knowledge with the world. We should learn from one another. I am sure you might have a lot to learn from him in the medical field, the same way I am sure he can learn from you in your specialty.

Perhaps you may care to enlighten us about how it is you’ have manage to be a American one day,

Whether you like it or not, he is an American national. I mean, that's just the truth. However, being an American national does not mean he is subservient to Punjab.

a Talib another and a paki another day...and have the nervous to claim "i don't give a **** about Afghanistan." and then come back here to preach for Afghans.

That's not what he said. Your post is a deliberate attempt to misconstrue his actual post. If you read that in his context, you will see what he meant was something obvious. Since he is an American national, he can obviously turn his back on the Afghan nation and run away. However, instead, he invests hours in PF by guiding young Pashtuns into doctorhood. If anything, you should be thanking him for his long helpful posts in various parts of the board.

To believe your Mohammadzia claim, we are actually cousins, so allow me help you help yourself… why are you serving enemy’s interest?

The above is your political opinion. As a PF member, you have a right to have a political stance. It comes free with your membership. The minute anyone consistently insults or attacks his/her counterpart, we perma-ban them. The aforementioned is a general statement, it doesn't mean I am hinting at anyone.

Tschuss.

Best,

-AK

[Nick]

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You moron, you are confusing me with Unknownprince. Produce the proof that I have ever said I had relatives in the Pakistani military you dolt.

LMAO at Moron doesn't it count as an insult.


Ok guys stop attacking eacher we love both of you guys. so take your time and at last once debate is finish than feel free to insulting and will end up as an headache for admin Khan. Admin man let them discuss and see if they have control over themselves.

[Azmal]

You moron, you are confusing me with Unknownprince. Produce the proof that I have ever said I had relatives in the Pakistani military you dolt.

And yes, I stand by my phrase. As an American, I dont give a **** about Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, India, Somalia etc. In fact, I do more than you following the words of our founding fathers who advocated "loving" these nations by not pursuing American interventionalism. Everyone here who has read my work knows your propagandizing is an attempt to somehow make the inference that by not wanting American interventionalism in Afghanistan somehow makes one a Pakistani sympathizer..

Thus…knuckle dragging Neanderthals you have no right to talk concerning Afghans. End of story…you got PWND!

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Look Azmal,

The bottom line is I am going to sum up my stance in a sentence: I do not want Pakistan to persist in its existence. However, I do not want a vocal minority (the ANP party folks here) to convince Afghan Pashtuns and Americans alike that somehow, the KP Pashtuns are waiting to be "saved." I want them to understand the reality: Retaking KP is going to be a bloody and drawn out affair if done militarily and without proper planning.

I have family members in Mellat Party and they themselves cannot fathom the stances of ANP members. You have to remember that Mellat is a creation of Pir Gilani and it distances itself from many of the old ANP stances and endorsements of Najib Gaw. If Pir Gilani heard half the trash MazlumYaar.m16.salahuddin put out there do you think he would endorse ANP? Why has Ahady persisted in not openly endorsing ANP as a standard bearer?

When you spout this rhetoric promising the Pashtuns of KP that you are 'a comin to save them from the Pakistani government, you are doing Afghanistan and America a massive disservice. Moreover, when you couple it to a lack of reality... meaning you have yet to show me one militant group that is actually fighting an insurrection on behalf of Pashtuns against the Pakistani government within KP?

Lets take a stroll down reality lane: The Baloch have and had a resistence movement headed by well known insurgents like Bugti. Our last great pashtun insurgent there? The Fakir of Ipi. The secularist nationalists show us Achekzai as an example of Pashtun seperatism? How Azmal? How the heck is Achekzai anything worth calling a leader? A leader at least dies like Bugti fighting (despite Bugti's apparent corruption). Where is Achekzai's AK47 and independence laskhaar?

The assinine thing about it all is that there is a group attacking the Pakistani army... and it is headed by Hakimullah Mehsud. Yet then, because his views dont suit you, you decide that you will label him a terrorist... because he is not the brand of seperatist you want.

Its incredulous and amazing to me how you reconcile these realities!

Its like the Iraqi National Congress under Chalabi... you and others on here are leading us down a dark and idiotic path that guarantees Pashtun on pashtun violence.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Thus…knuckle dragging Neanderthals you have no right to talk concerning Afghans. End of story…you got PWND!

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LOOOOOOOL back again to this? All we know is that Telai "pawned" some Panjabi slave... (that you unfortunately called Leghmani) and that created 3 incompetent people: You, Zahir Shah, and Nadir Shah.

Once again, here is the list, we wait your response regarding which wife you are descended through:

m. (first) Maryam Begum, Bobo Jahan-i-Qal'a-i-Hazara (d.s.p.), daughter of Sardar Faqir Muhammad Khan, a Barakzai. m. (second) Bibi Walida Jahan (d. March 1915), daughter of Mir Jahandar Shah, Uzbek Mir of Badarkhshan. m. (third) ca. 1865, a daughter of H.H. Amir ul-Muminim Sayyid Amir Muzaffar ud-din 'Abdul Khan Bahadur Sultan, Amir of Bokhara. m. (fourth) 1875, after the birth of her sons, Asal Begum, previously Gulraz Bibi, a former slave-girl from Wakhan and Samarkand. m. (fifth) at Kabul, 22nd November 1880, Bibi Halima, Bobo Jahan-i-Jaghadar Begum (d. at Kabul, 1925), his Chief wife, daughter of Sayyid Mir Atiqu'llah Khan, by his wife, Shams-i-Jahan Begum, eldest daughter of H.H. Amir al-Mumenin, Amir-i-Kabir, Amir Dost Muhammad Khan, Amir of Afghanistan. m. (sixth) before 1882, a daughter of Mir Hakim Khan, Nizam ud-Daula, Mir of Shibarghan. m. (seventh) Safura Begum [Bibi Staro], a Chitrali lady. m. (eighth) Padshah Begum, daughter of a Mazari Sayyid from Balkh. m. (ninth) Bibi Gulraz II, a Kohlabi consort from Gulistani. m. (tenth) Bibi Zahara, a Shighani consort. m. (eleventh) Sajida Begum (d.s.p.), eldest daughter of Mir Muhammad 'Ali Khan Yaftali, of Badakhshan. m. (twelfth) a Kohlabi consort. m. (thirteenth) Bibi Nekadam (d. ca. 1886), a Chitrali consort. m. (thirteenth) a daughter of Muhammad Husain Khan Ming, of Maimana.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Thus…knuckle dragging Neanderthals you have no right to talk concerning Afghans. End of story…you got PWND!

And by the way, sure I do have that right when real slithering slugs like you are dragging America into endless wars in Afghanistan for your ego.

Beginning of story... bitch slapped twice tonight. LOOOOOOOL

[Azmal]

Greetings Azmal,

let's see what we have here. You said,


Please enlighten us as to how BarakzaiAbdali is serving Punjabi interests?

Proof please.

Not true. PF serving as a platform for Pashtuns/Afghans, he has the right to say what he wants to say. Besides, like many Kandaharis, he just simply wants to show you the other side of the coin. I have yet to see him serve as the "Taliban mouthpiece" so with all due respect, that's not true.

As a medical doctor, who is consistently attempting to assist and persuade young Pashtuns/Afghan in the medical field, he is contributing a lot to our ethnic group and nation. He is a lot better than those arrogant Engineers and Doctors who refuse to share their knowledge with the world. We should learn from one another. I am sure you might have a lot to learn from him in the medical field, the same way I am sure he can learn from you in your specialty.

Whether you like it or not, he is an American national. I mean, that's just the truth. However, being an American national does not mean he is subservient to Punjab.

That's not what he said. Your post is a deliberate attempt to misconstrue his actual post. If you read that in his context, you will see what he meant was something obvious. Since he is an American national, he can obviously turn his back on the Afghan nation and run away. However, instead, he invests hours in PF by guiding young Pashtuns into doctorhood. If anything, you should be thanking him for his long helpful posts in various parts of the board.
The above is your political opinion. As a PF member, you have a right to have a political stance. It comes free with your membership. The minute anyone consistently insults or attacks his/her counterpart, we perma-ban them. The aforementioned is a general statement, it doesn't mean I am hinting at anyone.

Tschuss.

Best,

-AK

Admin khana
I would think of contraire but BA is an adult...no need to speak on his behalf…. I accused BA of being anti-Afghan, and you in turn ask me for evidence… and when in return I presented you with the evidence, you merely ignored it and yet allow BA to drowning my reference in the mud of his endless spam. Once again, I’ll present you with the evidence:
“I don’t give a **** about Afghanistan.”….and “I dont give a **** about Afghanistan”


END of story…I actually need to stop when it’s apparent that this forum is incapable of an honest discourse.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Admin khana
I would think of contraire but BA is an adult...no need to speak on his behalf…. I accused BA of being anti-Afghan, and you in turn ask me for evidence… and when in return I presented you with the evidence, you merely ignored it and yet allow BA to drowning my reference in the mud of his endless spam. Once again, I’ll present you with the evidence:
“I don’t give a **** about Afghanistan.”….and “I dont give a **** about Afghanistan”





END of story…I actually need to stop when it’s apparent that this forum is incapable of an honest discourse.

No the issue you are upset by is that people need you to explain how the American First identity, espoused by Scheuer, Paul, Washington, Adams, and other great men is some how evidence of Pakistani sympathies? Moreover, how does that exclude an American from finding fault with your Quixotic nation building endeavors and utilization of the American military to support your Tajik hegemony?

END OF STORY

[BarakzaiAbdali]

By the way, the proof positive please regarding the statements I supposedly made about me having family members in the Pakistani military?