This House believes that Arab revolutions will just produce different dictators

[Admin Khan]

This House believes that Arab revolutions will just produce different dictators | The Doha Debates

[Talal]

This house has finally got it right

[Toramana]

Very nice Admn Khan...Let us hope this change diffuses to the Arab and broader Muslim World....

[Baygham]

As long as Islam has the upper hand in affairs of authority in the heads of the common men, the populace with not tolerate diversity, by definition creating an autocratic dictatorship.

[ScimitarXEdge]

but if that's what the people want for themselves it's not autocratic. In Democracy majority rules.

[Baygham]

but if that's what the people want for themselves it's not autocratic. In Democracy majority rules.

no body wants an autocratic dictatorship, you get conned into accepting it and then it becomes a yoke around your neck. Islam through out history has done that. It cons the populace into these situations and they eventually pay the full price and then some.

I am more hopeful for the egyptians at least. But deep down I know, its just wishful thinking.

[ScimitarXEdge]

no body wants an autocratic dictatorship, you get conned into accepting it and then it becomes a yoke around your neck. Islam through out history has done that. It cons the populace into these situations and they eventually pay the full price and then some.

I am more hopeful for the egyptians at least. But deep down I know, its just wishful thinking.

yeah eventually they pay the price with better moral standards; a deeper sense of nature and their relationship to it and being a powerful force in this world, especially against the shallow degenerate societies of Europe.

what a yoke around their neck; better to be slaves of farangis and turn into benamous degenerates destroying the sanctity of our reproductive faculties and doling women out for the sake of appeasing some overzealous ape.

and dont even start to mention the current condition of Muslims and equate that with Islam; we all know that has to do with abandoning Islam, not following it correctly.

[randolph85]

yeah eventually they pay the price with better moral standards; a deeper sense of nature and their relationship to it and being a powerful force in this world, especially against the shallow degenerate societies of Europe.

the horror

and dont even start to mention the current condition of Muslims and equate that with Islam; we all know that has to do with abandoning Islam, not following it correctly.

dont u know? turning a blind eye to moral degradation on the flimsy basis of freedom = progress.

[salahuddin]

Democracy and Secularism is very new and Alien-Like to the Arabs. Even Professed-Secularists in the Arab world still hold onto Pan Islamist Views. Even Kernal Kaddafi once said, Islam will conquer whole of Europe etc.

I hope the Arab Youth do not repeat the same mistake as the past, I hope they work for Democracy and secularism instead of Muslim Brotherhood Imperialists Dictators.

I think if Saudi Arabia is hit hard with Protests and they manage to overthrow the dictator monarchy then there is great hope for the Arab world.

[khushal]

Democracy and Secularism is very new and Alien-Like to the Arabs. Even Professed-Secularists in the Arab world still hold onto Pan Islamist Views. Even Kernal Kaddafi once said, Islam will conquer whole of Europe etc.

I hope the Arab Youth do not repeat the same mistake as the past, I hope they work for Democracy and secularism instead of Muslim Brotherhood Imperialists Dictators.

I think if Saudi Arabia is hit hard with Protests and they manage to overthrow the dictator monarchy then there is great hope for the Arab world.

You seem to forget that those dictator monarchy's are supported and prevented from being overthrown by the secular democracies.

[salahuddin]

You seem to forget that those dictator monarchy's are supported and prevented from being overthrown by the secular democracies.

Well, I didnt see the Muslim world complain when they got funding and supprot from these secular democracies when they declared Jihad on the Soviet Union.

Obviously, having the Muslim brotherhood in power is not beneficial to anybody except those who promote Pan-Islamist Ideals.

If Muslim brotherhood got into power, Christians and Non Muslims would be persecuted. I think its reasonable of the "International Community" to prevent such a overthrowing, but the support from the secular world has been outstanding in the recent uprisings in the Arab world.

I personally feel, Saudi Arabia needs to be overthrown and replaced with a democratic government,abolishment of Sharia laws and freedom for all.

Same I would say about the Vatican. We all live as one, one law for all and for all mankind.

[randolph85]

Democracy and Secularism is very new and Alien-Like to the Arabs. Even Professed-Secularists in the Arab world still hold onto Pan Islamist Views. Even Kernal Kaddafi once said, Islam will conquer whole of Europe etc.

I hope the Arab Youth do not repeat the same mistake as the past, I hope they work for Democracy and secularism instead of Muslim Brotherhood Imperialists Dictators.

I think if Saudi Arabia is hit hard with Protests and they manage to overthrow the dictator monarchy then there is great hope for the Arab world.

most arab states have been secular since their founding.

and why do u consider the brotherhood as imperialist dictators? they arent dictators since they have no power, and they arent imperialists since they are home grown. its the secularist dictators like mubarak who have kept the brotherhood down, and who happen to be supported by imperialists.

[khushal]

Well, I didnt see the Muslim world complain when they got funding and supprot from these secular democracies when they declared Jihad on the Soviet Union.

Obviously, having the Muslim brotherhood in power is not beneficial to anybody except those who promote Pan-Islamist Ideals.

If Muslim brotherhood got into power, Christians and Non Muslims would be persecuted. I think its reasonable of the "International Community" to prevent such a overthrowing, but the support from the secular world has been outstanding in the recent uprisings in the Arab world.

I personally feel, Saudi Arabia needs to be overthrown and replaced with a democratic government,abolishment of Sharia laws and freedom for all.

Same I would say about the Vatican. We all live as one, one law for all and for all mankind.

I didnt realize you have attention deficit disorder. Try to stick with the subject. We are not talking about who is complaining. Reread my post.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I didnt realize you have attention deficit disorder. Try to stick with the subject. We are not talking about who is complaining. Reread my post.

Nah, he's deliberately trying to make a red herring/divert focus.

[khushal]

Nah, he's deliberately trying to make a red herring/divert focus.

He doesn't seem to understand why people such as the muslim brotherhood has a large following in Egypt. The Arabs know that these dictators are imposed on them by these secular democracies. Why would the average Arab support a secular democracy when those secular democracies are responsible for the suppression of their freedoms.