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there is no such thing as a fundamental reality based on people of a country to harm another race. people don't have children so they can wipe out another race. wars are ignited by selfish sellouts like you who have got nothing to lose on either side and then it's the poor and innocent that end up paying the price for it. you draft out a nation by manipulating and brainwashing it in the name of religion and nationalism and then you use it. their fundamental reality is wiping us out and your reaction to it is not racism??
I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.
non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.
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Originally posted by Toramana View PostJust one day before 14th Aug 1947 i.e. 13th Aug, you were a Hindustani (Indian)...Your identity changed overnight....This is how political identities change...but Pukhtunwali is a far stronger bond....
you are giving historical references but for your kind information, we have never been a part of hindustan until 1969, even the britishers have ruled over us. i belong to swat. may be you know about swat
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DaZahruJam, I am a human being first but believe me it is not so simple...We can't expect that others would play by the same rule as we do...so while retaining our humanity we should also have a defensive mechanism in place....
You can well imagine if US and NATO leave and if there isn't any other arrangement to maintain stability, would Pakistanis and Arabs be any benign and merciful towards us...Humans have a lot of compassion for each other but at the same time a lot of malevolence as well...
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Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View PostIf your flesh and blood brother goes wayward tomorrow and leaves your heritage would you shun him? Would you kill him? Would stop talking to him? Or, since he was your flesh and blood, would try reasoning with him and bringing him back so he wasnt prodigal anymore?
Certainly, if that brother comes into your home with a sledge hammer then by all means condemn and even neutralize him physically. However, this is not the way. The overwhelming mass of Pashtuns rests on the KP side of the border. Until I see the evidence for secessionist ideology in terms of stats and otherwise, I will go on assuming based on anecdote (no numbers are available either way) I will assume that this large contingent of Pashtuns is not discontent enough to secede.
Excuse me, but the next time I seek advice about majority wishes from a Talibi supporter “Islamist” , be sure to note that I’ll ask you for it. Until then, I would recommend you check how one person rented Pashtonistan without any care of majority.
Abdur Rahman Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
or yet how British enslaved Pashtons against majority’s wishes under artificial cancer called Pakistan.ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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toramana charta ghayb shwe??? jawab de ranakro heheheheehehOriginally posted by Toramana View PostDaZahruJam, I am a human being first but believe me it is not so simple...We can't expect that others would play by the same rule as we do...so while retaining our humanity we should also have a defensive mechanism in place....
You can well imagine if US and NATO leave and if there isn't any other arrangement to maintain stability, would Pakistanis and Arabs be any benign and merciful towards us...Humans have a lot of compassion for each other but at the same time a lot of malevolence as well...
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Hmm tied enough so that Kharoti kills Wazir and Dawar kills Mehsid and Shamizoy kills Barakzai and Ghilzai gets killed by Nurzai etc. Or Khattak kiilled Yusufzai... etc etc.Originally posted by Azmal View PostWrora... who "don't care about Afghanistan" and then call for free Afghanistan… yet you wish something for Afghanistan that you yourself have ran away from? ….. The fact is Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with India. What did us Pashtons have to do with it? Absolutely Nothing. Thus anyone that call themselves a Pakistani(Indian Muslim) is simply assaulting pashton identity and culture and in my eye is worst then a dog.
Now you should not worry to much about us Pashtons… you must remember, that is evolved identities last longer than constructed and artificial identities like Pakistaniyath…even your pan-islamic dream could not bind us with Indic people…we Pashtons are tied forever by Pashtonwali ( a common code of honor), Pashto ( a robust and live language), and real (not fake like Iqbal and Jannah) heroes (like Great Ahmad Shah Baba and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan) despite the conspiracies of our enemies.
And you are absolutely right that I could care less about what happens there. They can all genocide themselves to their heart's content. However, their BS is now entering our comfortable reality over here.
We have a faction of cowards that cannot handle their own problems, pick up their own pistols, and take care of their own mess.
You want Baitullah, build your own drone and take care of him. You want Omar, get a gun and take care of him. You want Fazlullah, go and smoke him out of Nuristan.
You want to build Pashtunistan and genocide Emal or Luffy or Shahbaz or whoever, you are all on your own.
What the mighty Pashtuns cannot handle a few sly IndoPaks?
Me, Ill continue to pay my taxes, live my comfortable life, prescribe some cholesterol drugs, and meet God above without blood on my hands (thank God).
I see you are another one of those out of the Quetta red top hat wearing folks that sees Islamists under the bed and in the dark corners of the night."2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote
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Yep. Another Achekzai/Ajmal Khattak nut hugger. You are all the same and created in some friggin bakery in Quetta and shipped out to the provinces. Go ahead and start in on the Pan Islamist BS mantra. Tell me one thing, where do you hail from? Are you from Khybar pashtunkhwa?Originally posted by Azmal View PostExcuse me, but the next time I seek advice about majority wishes from a Talibi supporter “Islamist” , be sure to note that I’ll ask you for it. Until then, I would recommend you check how one person rented Pashtonistan without any care of majority.
Abdur Rahman Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
or yet how British enslaved Pashtons against majority’s wishes under artificial cancer called Pakistan."2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote
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In principle it remains the same....I am from ex-swat state too. Prior to 1969 we were an Afghan Yusufzai principality (like state of Dir) and after forcefully being incorporated into Pakistan, we suddenly had pakistani citizenship. Did our identity magically change? Did your land cease to exist?Originally posted by emkhan View Postyou are giving historical references but for your kind information, we have never been a part of hindustan until 1969, even the britishers have ruled over us. i belong to swat. may be you know about swat
@barakzai, no Afghan/Pakhtun asked you to come here into our lands. Your state brought yourself there changing the narrative countless times. Now when the world went into a global recession and US is starting to feel the brunt of its costs in the coming generation now there is a wake up call. We didn't ask for Baitullah, drones, Stingers, or your state propping up such a decadent state like Pakistan. Your country did it and is doing it for its own interests. No amount of Shuer articles will reverse this.Last edited by BLS_1919v2.0; 02-24-2011, 01:39 AM.
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Seriously dude, rather than being defensive about it, try and learn why I accuse you of having no understanding of the human condition.Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Postthere is no such thing as a fundamental reality based on people of a country to harm another race. people don't have children so they can wipe out another race. wars are ignited by selfish sellouts like you who have got nothing to lose on either side and then it's the poor and innocent that end up paying the price for it. you draft out a nation by manipulating and brainwashing it in the name of religion and nationalism and then you use it. their fundamental reality is wiping us out and your reaction to it is not racism??
For the sake of all people of the region, including the population of Punjab the breakup would be a great advance for all! It will solve many many problems of the whole region, as well as solving the islamistic whackoeness all around the globe !
pakistan, in its present appearance, is the swamp in which whackoes dwell ! Even Punjabis are realizing this.
A new book has been published by Syed Jamalluddin, titled "Divide Paksitan: To Eliminate Terrorism".
The cover design shows Pakistan divided into 5 or 6 new smaller states
http://www.amazon.com/Divide-Pakista...7&sr=1-1-fkmr0
ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه
چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه
سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه
چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه
سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه
ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو
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Salamoona. Dont listen to these ass clowns. Im an American. My father hails from Qandahar and my mother is from a tribe called Khalil in the Pashtunkhwa province, though she grew up in Kabul. Consider yourself our brother. There are good folks on here that could care less about these issues. Call yourself an Indian Pashtun, a Tajik Pashtun, Mossoud's son Pashtun etc and it matters not. Just ignore these people at this point and let them burn themselves out.Originally posted by emkhan View Posttoramana charta ghayb shwe??? jawab de ranakro heheheheeheh
The odd thing that I find is that the Afghans like Admin Khan, Shamlawar and Graveyard etc, despite their antipathy to Pakistan, are far more forgiving if they see redeemable traits.
I have begun to note a trend, that the most vicious of these secularist nationalist clones who urge ethnic cleansing and exclusion, yet cling to the title Afghan, hail from Khybar Pashtunkhwa."2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote
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Well lol, Ill stop propping it up if you stop taking the money.Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View PostIn principle it remains the same....I am from ex-swat state too. Prior to 1969 we were an Afghan Yusufzai principality (like state of Dir) and after forcefully being incorporated into Pakistan, we suddenly had pakistani citizenship. Did our identity magically change? Did your land cease to exist?
@barakzai, no Afghan/Pakhtun asked you to come here into our lands. Your state brought yourself there changing the narrative countless times. Now when the world went into a global recession and US is starting to feel the brunt of its costs in the coming generation now there is a wake up call. We didn't ask for Baitullah, drones, Stingers, or your state propping up such a decadent state like Pakistan. Your country did it and is doing it for its own interests. No amount of Shuer articles will reverse this.
"2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote
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the Dir's situation was different. we were not forced actually but there was an agreement between the wali of swat and the govt of pakistan. under which we joined pakistan, under the agreement we pay no taxes and there are so many other rolayalties we are enjoing but still if i make comparison, my swat was more peaceful, economically more strong and there are so many other factors.
but at the other hand if you see you cant live in isolation being such a small state thats why wali e swat decided to join pakistan under some conditions.
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Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View PostIn principle it remains the same....I am from ex-swat state too. Prior to 1969 we were an Afghan Yusufzai principality (like state of Dir) and after forcefully being incorporated into Pakistan, we suddenly had pakistani citizenship. Did our identity magically change? Did your land cease to exist?
@barakzai, no Afghan/Pakhtun asked you to come here into our lands. Your state brought yourself there changing the narrative countless times. Now when the world went into a global recession and US is starting to feel the brunt of its costs in the coming generation now there is a wake up call. We didn't ask for Baitullah, drones, Stingers, or your state propping up such a decadent state like Pakistan. Your country did it and is doing it for its own interests. No amount of Shuer articles will reverse this.
You seem reasonably studied in the matters, in all seriousness, are there are stats regarding KP Pashtuns and their desire for autonomy? There is such a survey for Afghanistan that cofirms a reasonable size of the southern Afghan basin desires for reunification independent of northern Afghanistan. I would be curious to see non ANP, non agenda laced, perhaps foreign NGO related data on the subject."2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote
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Khaana when Ayub khan imposed the one unit system, the merger was done in a forceful manner. PATA is a joke status, and it is one of the reasons why Sufi Mohammad movement got some momentum and ISI exploited it. The rest as they say is history. Anyways I used the swat state as an example. We have been part of pakistan for barely 40 years, it didn't dictate our identity then why should it now? And Pashtuns unifying would not be a small entity nor isolated. If anything we have strategic routes to help re integrate Central Asia.Originally posted by emkhan View Postthe Dir's situation was different. we were not forced actually but there was an agreement between the wali of swat and the govt of pakistan. under which we joined pakistan, under the agreement we pay no taxes and there are so many other rolayalties we are enjoing but still if i make comparison, my swat was more peaceful, economically more strong and there are so many other factors.
but at the other hand if you see you cant live in isolation being such a small state thats why wali e swat decided to join pakistan under some conditions.
@Barakzai..rest assured most of the common Pashtuns/Afghans haven't taken a cent of your money. Hec ANP cronies are barely taking anything from US, or those corrupt political agents in FATA. We will do fine without your interference. I for one haven't...maybe you should tell your state officials to kindly stop it.
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