Attack on punjab regiment base in Peshawer (news video)

[randolph85]

Hekmatyar is a criminal. ANd all others who opposed the Taliban are criminals. And they should have been killed for the crimes they have commited.

You call Muslims piece of ****. How about yourself? What are you, Osman?

If a kaafir says Karzai is corrupt and you have eyes and ears and you see that he is corrupt, then yes, the kaafir has spoken the truth.

However, when a kaafir talks trash and uses propaganda to defame the mujahideen you are not suppose to believe them. Unless you have seen it with your own eyes.

so now the taliban = islam? so when i bash the taliban u are saying i am bashing islam itself

hekmatyar and the rest called themselves muslims too, so that means the taliban were killing muslims according to ur logic.

i dont know karzai is corrupt because i have seen it, like u, we havent seen his bank accounts or heard his convos or seen him take cash but we still know that he is corrupt. we know he is corrupt based on media sources. u depend on the accounts of non muslims whether u admit it or not.

so unless i have seen something on my own eyes, i cant believe in non muslim sources?

for example, i know hekmatyar and massoud are a bag of **** because i have read about their crimes, documented by non muslim sources, and articles from non muslim sources. does this mean that they arent criminals because i havent read muslim accounts?

u say they are criminals because they fought the taliban. do u have taliban sources on the history of their enemies crimes?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Press TV is a Shi'ite propaganda channel.

[randolph85]

randolph bro i think you are trying to beat water with stick and thinking it will be devide.
i can use any media from any source be it western eastern northern or southern.
that doesnt mean i blindly believe it ,there is punchline system in these media reports and if you are honest enough you will see through biasness.

and not all the non muslims are bad as not all muslims are good.

for example : real news network is considered by many as honest and unbiased, i can listen to some of their artciles but that doesnt mean i believe everything they say or what their so called analist has to say.
because those guys could have their own agenda.

i cant tell you what to think or which news channel is the best but i must say every source can be checked but that does not mean you follow it blindly.

tell that to the guy who equates islam with the taliban.

i am using this guys own logic against him.

[graveyardofempires]

"A kaafir is by definition always a liar. Because "kufr" means someone who hides something. In this case, the truth."

VERY illuminating explanation

Unknown, Huffington Post is usually not SO great but once in awhile they have a little something of use.

Much as i disagree with the member here "hairan", at least the Huffington Post printed his story that Aisha of Time magazine was simply Nazia renamed and glossed up to shock the entire world into hating Afghan culture.
I doubt TIME would have used that piece as a Letter To The Editor -
speaking of LIARS...!

Press TV is most reliable.
The Guardian was a former left of center publication which once in a while comes up with an unusual story, like the Russian Spestnaz officer's recollections of
his tours in Chechnya -
but oftentimes they still go right along with the usual American-British Party Line.

Press TV is run by Muslims after all; the others are publications of
probable atheists and certain secularists. Hence less to be trusted by far.
Yvonne Ridley is some sort of correspondent or reporter for Press Tv, by the way.

salamualeikum catya
how are you doing

glad to hear your opinions regarding the media etc.

point to be noted : presstv has their own iranina and mostly shia agenda and they have never reported about the afghan refugees being murdered ont he border with iran by the iranian border police.
and they too give a different impression of the things happening.
they also do wrong translations liet he one i saw lately.

al jazeera is pro arab nationalist goals and their goal is to make sure the taliban protect the arabs in Afghanistan and exagerate about these "foreign fighters".
al jazeera is also trying to portray Afghans as these extremist who have lost all logic.like this one time when their were demos about the cartoon of the prophet pbuh in kabul ,the afghan guy was saying logical things such as we should have mutual respect for eachothers religions etc but the overdubbing was saying things such as "we will behead any foreigner we find etc"

dont you ever wonder why they do their voice over the report as translation,i mean if you are watching al jazeera english i suppose you can read english so why not put subtitles,i dont think there are many english speaking illiterates out there.

[randolph85]

press tv is biased as hell. no i dont mean biased against america because i dont care about that, but in regards to afghanistan.

they havent mentioned a thing against irans treatment of refugee or its cutting off fuel supplies to the country.

[شمله ور خراساني]

so now the taliban = islam? so when i bash the taliban u are saying i am bashing islam itself

I did not say that. This is your Seinfield interpretation of everything I say.

Taliban are on haqq. This is why oppsing them is opposing haqq. If the Taliban act against Qur'an and Sunnah and join the kuffaar like the secularists and Ikhwanis, then they will no longer be on haqq.

hekmatyar and the rest called themselves muslims too, so that means the taliban were killing muslims according to ur logic.

In Shariah killing of a muslim who causes corruption in the land is necessary.

i dont know karzai is corrupt because i have seen it, like u, we havent seen his bank accounts or heard his convos or seen him take cash but we still know that he is corrupt.

You don't need to see his bank account to know he is corrupt. His corruption is evident by the fact that he is dog of the kuffar. THe fact that he is in service of the kuffar is the biggest corruption ever.

we know he is corrupt based on media sources. u depend on the accounts of non muslims whether u admit it or not.

I have not said anything of this kind. This is your interpretation.

so unless i have seen something on my own eyes, i cant believe in non muslim sources?

No. You cannot. Because we are in a time of war. And you cannot believe the enemy sources.

But in your case the muslim is the enemy, unfortunately.

for example, i know hekmatyar and massoud are a bag of **** because i have read about their crimes, documented by non muslim sources, and articles from non muslim sources.

This is your problem. I don't. I rely on muslim sources and based on muslim sources I have drawn the conclusion that both of them are criminals.

does this mean that they arent criminals because i havent read muslim accounts?

No. This means you are ignorant and you lack understanding of your religion and current situation of the muslims.

u say they are criminals because they fought the taliban. do u have taliban sources on the history of their enemies crimes?

No. I have non-Taliban sources of the crimes of Hizb Islami and Jamyat Islami.

[randolph85]

point being, calling urself a muslim is not a free pass.

[شمله ور خراساني]

tell that to the guy who equates islam with the taliban.

i am using this guys own logic against him.

Learn your religion properly, then come and talk.

[شمله ور خراساني]

point being, calling urself a muslim is not a free pass.

Umar Ibn al Khattab radiallahu anhu said, there is one gate to enter Islam ( saying the kalima) but there are thousands of gate leading out of Islam.

[randolph85]

I did not say that. This is your Seinfield interpretation of everything I say.

Taliban are on haqq. This is why oppsing them is opposing haqq. If the Taliban act against Qur'an and Sunnah and join the kuffaar like the secularists and Ikhwanis, then they will no longer be on haqq.





In Shariah killing of a muslim who causes corruption in the land is necessary.


You don't need to see his bank account to know he is corrupt. His corruption is evident by the fact that he is dog of the kuffar. THe fact that he is in service of the kuffar is the biggest corruption ever.



I have not said anything of this kind. This is your interpretation.



No. You cannot. Because we are in a time of war. And you cannot believe the enemy sources.

But in your case the muslim is the enemy, unfortunately.



This is your problem. I don't. I rely on muslim sources and based on muslim sources I have drawn the conclusion that both of them are criminals.


No. This means you are ignorant and you lack understanding of your religion and current situation of the muslims.


No. I have non-Taliban sources of the crimes of Hizb Islami and Jamyat Islami.

then surely the haqq is also on hezb i islami as they too are fighting. yet the taliban opposes them too. so the taliban are opposing haqq as well.


all i get from ur garbage is that the the taliban are infallible because they are fighting nato, if i criticize the taliban, i am criticizing islam.


western sources are all lies, unless his friends are posting them.

lol @ ur brand of islam.

[کیش]

All the people who cut off the heads of the villagers had done show, with a dull looking knife. They all looked clinically insane, and have no reason to be in that situation. If your going to execute a spy, who has been proven guilty in Shariah court, just do a single gun
shot to the head. That stuff was not necessary.

Where in the Quran does it state to behead spies, with a dull knife?

[randolph85]

randolph,

after all your points have been addressed, you just keep going onto something else which will also be addressed. Quit changing the topic just because you don't know what else to say.

Press TV is biased, and yes, they have not spoken about the recent killings of Afghans in Iran, but in regards to the failing war in Afghanistan, they have written some good articles full of sense. Guardian has also done the same.

Al-Jazeera unfortunately wants to lump the terrorist problem that plagues Arabs on Afghans, and this crime of theirs has been widely documented.

No Afghan supports terrorism, but they support their right to freedom, and will continue.

Al-Jazeera is a bad media organization along with others that are inherently Anti-Muslim and Anti-Pashtun. They are a pan-Arab organization, and as pan-Arabism will never suceed, they too will fail. What an embarrassment on the Arabs, that a Turkish Muslim was the first to stand up at Davos in front of a bunch of Arab leaders, and critcize Israel???

Shame on them.

but back to the topic. I find news organizations that reveal the true nature of the failing war to be more credible than others.

and thats perfectly fine. my point about press tv was in regards to shers response. also, when someone calls into an articles credibility only because its from a western source, its hypocritical when they themselves are posting western articles. i am not saying this against u because thats not the case at the moment. u seem like a good guy so i am not saying anything bad against u, the main problem seems to be this salafi. one moment he says its a sin to trust western sources, then hes making exceptions, then saying its all a sin again.

[graveyardofempires]

this thread got way off topic
but still good discussions

[Catya Sher]

I'm afraid to look at the video.

You guys saying Press Tv is Shia Propaganda.
Not really!
I have read them fairly carefully for a few years now, off and on.

My impression is that, outside of proud announcements of Imam Reza's Day festivities, or museum exhibitions related to the life an Imam,
they don't even mention Shia stuff.

In fact, I sense - I could be missing some subtleties here - the Islamic Republic is really wishing to create a solid bloc to counter the overbearing behavior of America and the West toward Iran, Turkey, etc. -
SO THEREFORE: they tone down any Shia references because they KNOW that will put off Sunnis in one second flat.

They are trying hard to achieve a unity of all Muslims and in some way it's the vital project without which any single effort cannot work.
As unknown said, the pan-Arab idea won't work.
It was tried back in the UAR - United Arab Republic with Syria and Egypt.
Saddam Hussein and the Baathists tried it for a few decades.
It never worked, never will.

It has to be pan-Islam, that's the only way.

So Iran has already gotten rejected by Arabs way early in the game, and has learned from their experience to minimize Shia anything.

I don't see it coming through the Press TV channel particularly.

Further, in terms of pure humanity, the interview I saw done with the family of an Iranian woman held in an American prison without any true basis apparently, was the most kind, warm and natural of any done up to this point that i happened to have seen.
I have been planning to post it but wasn't sure anyone would care.
Take a look and see what you guys think if I do post it soon.

GYE : I'm fine, thank you so much for inquiring!
Your analysis of Al Jazeera was BRILLIANT !
I can hardly BELIEVE the twisting of the words you cited.

I always wondered about the simultaneous translation drowning out
the original speaker. I may have remarked about that once, but I assumed it was to shield poor little Western ears from having to hear a foreign language they could not comprehend and would be turned off by. Americans do get quite irritated and have been known to shout "speak in English!" as though they were kings !

But what GYE said is the far deeper reason: so they can twist everything to suit their programme.

In sum, a truth-seeking observer almost feels it's useless to watch 95-99.7% of interviews and media programs !

[randolph85]

you are trying to divide us all here by now praising me.

It seems to me you have learned a lot of bad tactics.

When I gave you the source about the boy who was injured by a bomb in the toy, you still denied it. Don't you think that a paper that reveals the reality on the ground in Afghanistan is more credible than one that doesn't.

Ignore the topic of the floods. Don't you think a story of a bomb in a toy is too random to be made up? Are you meaning to say that the American high school kids who revealed this to the news media are also liars? Do you think those American high school kids are Taliban?

Your arguments are silly.

When I find an article that reveals the reality on the ground, I find it to be mostly credible, and for now in this day and age where the media is controlled, that is good enough.

Obviously, many Western media outlets lie a lot, but there are also those that seek the truth.

my god, are u really that big of a fool?

i try to be nice because i see that u have the mental capacity of a 7 yr old but now ur all uppity like some fat kid who hasnt eatten food in over 15 minutes. its like how ur naturally inclined to be nice to retards because u feel sorry for them.


again what is it with u and that story u posted before? it had one sentence about a kid getting injured by a toy bomb, with no back story to it in an article that said 400,000 people died in floods, which was obviously wrong. when i question u about the validity of this, u then tell me to email the newspaper?

ur not big on critical thinking are u?