Pro Pakistan VS Anti Pakistan

[شمله ور خراساني]

I have no interest to know who and what you worship. I have no time to ponder over who is or is not a Moslem or a kaafir. This, I have no concern with.

What I know is this. Any ideology which has brought destruction to the Pashtun Watan, It is my duty to fight in whatever capacity I can against it. And there are no sacred cows here. I have a working matrix for the Pashtun future. If anything, however sacred, does not fit in, We shall send it back to wherever it belongs, Punjab or Arabia.

So are you saying you are going to fight Islam?

Bachu, if you declare war on Islam please do that in public in Pashtunkhwa and let us know how it turns out.

[Son of Mountains]

^ha ha ha ha
Many of these "occupied" pashtunkhwa claiming Afghanistanis cannot come openly in Azaad Pashtunkhwa of Pakistan. In a hidden room, hidden face....very easy to become Nationalist and communist

[MazloomyarMaseed]

^ha ha ha ha
Many of these "occupied" pashtunkhwa claiming Afghanistanis cannot come openly in Azaad Pashtunkhwa of Pakistan. In a hidden room, hidden face....very easy to become Nationalist and communist

Oh really. Let me refresh your knowledge and memory, which country is a big friend and supporter of COMMUNIST MUSLIM KILLER CHINA? yes you got it right, it is Pakistan, so before you label those who oppose Pakistan as communist, i suggest who and which ideology your best friend follows.

What is so hidden about me,Ive uploaded my photo onto Pashtunforums very openly and my views are very open to the public and iam not afraid of any ISI or Pak fauge Jawan attacking me etc.

Pakistan in my knowledge is a fraud, it is a failed ideology and has not united anybody but allowed Punjab to exploit the smaller provinces. Pakistan is a failure and has demostrated to the world its nothing but a country that uses others to do their dirty work.

How can a PMAP supporter call them as communist, your Pakistan labelled samad achakazai and father of mahmood achakzai as a communist, non muslim etc etc etc. I do not even beleive your a member of Pmap but just saying it to show they are some what pro pakistani, for which they are not.

[Son of Mountains]

U can just cry. So cry cry.
Its your destiny
i am member of PMAP and i am not bound to show you any proof. Who u are to me!

[Nadir Shah]

U can just cry. So cry cry.
Its your destiny
i am member of PMAP and i am not bound to show you any proof. Who u are to me!

Hell will freeze over before you are allowed to join PMAP.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

U can just cry. So cry cry.
Its your destiny
i am member of PMAP and i am not bound to show you any proof. Who u are to me!

Dear SOM

Is that all you can show me by saying cry cry cry cry, why dont you counter what i say, anyway next time you meet your mashar mahmood achakzai, ask him who is mumtaz mahsud. Coincidently, my uncle lives next door to your Mashar Achakzai in Quetta, so dont under estimate me. So lets debate, as this thread has a purpose.

Also my desinity is not to cry, but to save Pashtuns from the evil hands of Pro establishment people and those who oppose Pashtun Unity.

[Son of Mountains]

I am in contact with my mashar...dont worry.
They r of the view that we want our rights only, nothing else. Same is my view. We want a united pakistan. We our leaders in Govt. We just want to break hegemony of punjabis.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I am in contact with my mashar...dont worry.
They r of the view that we want our rights only, nothing else. Same is my view. We want a united pakistan. We our leaders in Govt. We just want to break hegemony of punjabis.

Then how come the members of PMAP ive met absolutely contradict what you write, there is a Member here called Khyaal, iam sure he will say the same to you. How can you break the hegemony of Punjabis when you accept their ideology and their state. For somebody to break hegemeony is to work for the unity of pashtuns under the flag of pashtuns not some indian gujaratai ismaili and his british supported landlords.

The biggest flaw is to accept the durrand line and call afghans as afghanistanis, i bet your mashar wud slap you when you ask him why he migrated from afghanistan to bolochistan.

[Palwasha]

What is to be acheived from this thread? Instead of finding differences that divide you, why not find common grounds. That's the first step to Pashtun Unity.

The Pakistan government doesn't represent the people of the country at all, like the Afghanistan government doesn't represent all Afghans either. I think the whole Afg Vs Pak topic in pointless, nothing's ever achieved from it. It needs to stop. We're the same people, despite what our passports or papers may say, can't we just accept that?

What ever has happened in the past is over, look for solutions rather than arguing over who's right or wrong. It's why we don't move forward, we stay in the same position.

Peace.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

What is to be acheived from this thread? Instead of finding differences that divide you, why not find common grounds. That's the first step to Pashtun Unity.

The Pakistan government doesn't represent the people of the country at all, like the Afghanistan government doesn't represent all Afghans either. I think the whole Afg Vs Pak topic in pointless, nothing's ever achieved from it. It needs to stop. We're the same people, despite what our passports or papers may say, can't we just accept that?

What ever has happened in the past is over, look for solutions rather than arguing over who's right or wrong. It's why we don't move forward, we stay in the same position.

Peace.

without unifying Pashtuns onto the Pro Pashtun side is make no progress for pashtun problems. Its illogical to say Pashtun unity can work both ways, you can not be a Pashtun nationalists and be a Pro Pakistan ideologists, thats just like saying you can be a Muslim but a Hindu on weekends.

Doesnt work that way Iam afraid!!!

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Makeen, we are one people. One Muslim.

Stop using the name of muslim and islam to prevent pashtun unity, Kurds are also muslim but they deserve their own land and status, how can you use the word of islam to prevent ones freedom and right to exist as a people. That is very shameful of you

[afghan]

I would like to start a debate between those who support Paksitan as a state and those who do not accept Pakistan as a state.

As I am a witness of Pakistans brutality towards Mahsuds and Wazirs, I would love to start a debate with those who love their Pakistaniyat.

Let the debate begin.

I hope Moderators can play a good role in this debate and nobody should show any favouritism.

MAKEEN SAEBA to tell you the truth, the trouble in your region has just started couple of years ago. the tribal region was safeguard for pakistan, Pakistanis never interfere directly but bribed the tribal elders, made the job much easier, tribal region has always played a vital role in afghan politics, the first king Amnullah Khan was overthrown with help of tribal elders, and nadir shah was installed. the weakness of the tribal people is religion. on the other hand the pashtun in pashtunkhwa has suffered badly in logterms. once we stop fighting among ourselves, educate our kids that will be an end to pakistan.

[AnGaaR]

pakistan was, is and will remain a cruel state being under the panjabis
The day Pashtoons of Pakistan rise against panjabis,that day will be the end of cruelity on both sides of border.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

MAKEEN SAEBA to tell you the truth, the trouble in your region has just started couple of years ago. the tribal region was safeguard for pakistan, Pakistanis never interfere directly but bribed the tribal elders, made the job much easier, tribal region has always played a vital role in afghan politics, the first king Amnullah Khan was overthrown with help of tribal elders, and nadir shah was installed. the weakness of the tribal people is religion. on the other hand the pashtun in pashtunkhwa has suffered badly in logterms. once we stop fighting among ourselves, educate our kids that will be an end to pakistan.

Amanullah Khan was a double dealer, he lied to the people.

The weakness of Tribal area is not relgion, its education and no opportunties.

[afghan]

Amanullah Khan was a double dealer, he lied to the people.

The weakness of Tribal area is not relgion, its education and no opportunties.

my point here is not protecting anyone, i am talking about the influence of tribal leaders. Anyway overthrowing Amnulla khan did not do any good, which brought Bachae SAqao to the power, as a result another british puppet nadir Shah was installed.