Pro Pakistan VS Anti Pakistan

[Son of Mountains]

I have joind pashtunkhwa milli awami party (PMAP).
They just want to get their proper rights. They are not anti-pakistan.

[Dinosaur Khan]

SOM,
it's clear you are not around Pashtuns. I am Pakistani, my entire family hates the govt and the system.

every Pukhtun I now hates the Govt and everything that has to do with it.

those that love it, take a note on this those that love are pakistani kids born in the west who choose to remain loyal.

in Pakistan, Pashtun,Baluchis all hate the govt.

each province of Pakistan is like it's own country.

Maseeds and Wazirs tribes that consists of millions of Pukhtuns refuse to even be called Pakistani.

May i ask you where do you live? in country of west?

You should note that even all common punjabis do not like the governament for not solving the daily problems for ordinary pakistanis and too much pro-america policies.......so i dont understand your point.

[Dinosaur Khan]

I have joind pashtunkhwa milli awami party (PMAP).
They just want to get their proper rights. They are not anti-pakistan.

ANP and PMAP, the only two magor pashtun nationlist parties in pakistan are not antistate.....a big slap on faces of anti-pakistani Pashtuns.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

ANP and PMAP, the only two magor pashtun nationlist parties in pakistan are not antistate.....a big slap on faces of anti-pakistani Pashtuns.

Ofcourse they are anti state. Achakzai comes on television saying he accepts that Pakistan is here, but how he wants to live in it is different. He wants full autonomy and united pashtun province. That is anti status-quo. That is and never was a slap on anti pakistan (not anti pakistani), because there are ways of politics, and you can`t always jump to the best scenario.

[Dinosaur Khan]

Ofcourse they are anti state. Achakzai comes on television saying he accepts that Pakistan is here, but how he wants to live in it is different. He wants full autonomy and united pashtun province. That is anti status-quo. That is and never was a slap on anti pakistan (not anti pakistani), because there are ways of politics, and you can`t always jump to the best scenario.

We all pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa have thinkings like him..... i.e gaining of rights within pakistan.....

[BLS_1919v2.0]

We all pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa have thinkings like him..... i.e gaining of rights within pakistan.....

Well that is the obvious step, however Achakzai in speeches has also said if they don`t get their rights, then Pakistan should break by the next day (or next prayer). Don`t sugarcoat PKMAP stances, they are far more hardcore nationalists than ANP. Ironically, people curse ANP more than Achakzai saib, even Achakzai`s party is far more ideologically geared towards Loy Afghanistan.

[شمله ور خراساني]

I was born and raised in Kabul, then I moved to Central Asia and eventually ended up in West Europe where I have spent the last 16 years of my life.

I've never been any further than Jalalabad City towards the east.

But judging from my experience with Pashtuns from Pakistan, I clearly see a distinction.

There are those who support Pakistan and those who oppose it.

Usually, the ones who support Pakistan do so because somehow they have benefited from the state, and the they are either working for the state, or have relatives serving the Pakistani state.

Those who oppose it are usually people who are critical of lack of justice and fairness in Pakistan. They are people who are against the elite rule and oppression of the poor and helpless.

Since I am myself a strong advocate of justice and civil rights, I obviously side with the latter group.

But as an Afghan, concerned with Afghanistan's politics, I strongly oppose both, Pakistan and Iran as our neighbours. I view Pakistan, Iran, India, China and Russia as enemies of our future and stability.

Even though there are many Pakistanis who have helped Afghans and supported Afghanistan's cause in the last 30 years, I am still convinced that Pakistani state sooner or later must cease to exist, if Afghanistan is ever going to reach stability and progress.

[شمله ور خراساني]

The Pashtun nationalist parties of Pakistan are the worst people out there in my opinion. I consider them as immoral and deceiving bunch of liars and douche bags.

I know of their relationship with Russian KGB, I know of their terrorist activities in Peshawar in the late 80's I know of their association with pimps *****s and other types of entrepreneurs of immorality.

I do not trust them, and I hate them more than I hate Zardari and those other American stooges. Because these ANP PN P and MPP's or whatever suppose to represent the interests of us, Pashtuns. But they lie and deceive. All they do is secure positions for their own personal interest.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I was born and raised in Kabul, then I moved to Central Asia and eventually ended up in West Europe where I have spent the last 16 years of my life.

I've never been any further than Jalalabad City towards the east.

But judging from my experience with Pashtuns from Pakistan, I clearly see a distinction.

There are those who support Pakistan and those who oppose it.

Usually, the ones who support Pakistan do so because somehow they have benefited from the state, and the they are either working for the state, or have relatives serving the Pakistani state.

Those who oppose it are usually people who are critical of lack of justice and fairness in Pakistan. They are people who are against the elite rule and oppression of the poor and helpless.

Since I am myself a strong advocate of justice and civil rights, I obviously side with the latter group.

But as an Afghan, concerned with Afghanistan's politics, I strongly oppose both, Pakistan and Iran as our neighbours. I view Pakistan, Iran, India, China and Russia as enemies of our future and stability.

Even though there are many Pakistanis who have helped Afghans and supported Afghanistan's cause in the last 30 years, I am still convinced that Pakistani state sooner or later must cease to exist, if Afghanistan is ever going to reach stability and progress.

Not only Afghanistan but for lar au bar Afghans, it is neccessary to see the end of the state otherwise as they say òrr kae pa proth yuu
In terms of ANP, they have their bads so I can`t defend them. However, compared to MMA, ISI, PML, they are far far far better.

[Nadir Shah]

ANP and PMAP, the only two magor pashtun nationlist parties in pakistan are not antistate.....a big slap on faces of anti-pakistani Pashtuns.

We are giving Pakistan a final chance to correct all wrongs and accept the special status of Pashtuns. We consider that if Pakistan refuses to accede to our legitimate demands of political, economic and cultural autonomy, we can no longer be loyal to the state of Pakistan.

[Nadir Shah]

The Pashtun nationalist parties of Pakistan are the worst people out there in my opinion. I consider them as immoral and deceiving bunch of liars and douche bags.

I know of their relationship with Russian KGB, I know of their terrorist activities in Peshawar in the late 80's I know of their association with pimps *****s and other types of entrepreneurs of immorality.

I do not trust them, and I hate them more than I hate Zardari and those other American stooges. Because these ANP PN P and MPP's or whatever suppose to represent the interests of us, Pashtuns. But they lie and deceive. All they do is secure positions for their own personal interest.

Sangar brother, I know what kind of people you consider worthy of worship. Terrorists, extremists, murderers and qaam kharsi Pukhtaana.

About the KGB and stuff. Pakistan had always been the imperialist lapdog. The whole of Pakistan Army and state has been supported by the US and the West. Henry Kissinger saved Pakistan in 1971. There were no farishtas and Shuhada of Badar in the Dhaka Race Course when the most shameful and disgraceful surrender of recent times was signed.

And anyways, If Pakistan can use American jets and weapons to kill Balochs and Pashtuns, Barahmdagh Bugti has the right to use Indian weapons agaisnt Pak. (If that is the case.)

[شمله ور خراساني]

Sangar brother, I know what kind of people you consider worthy of worship. Terrorists, extremists, murderers and qaam kharsi Pukhtaana.

About the KGB and stuff. Pakistan had always been the imperialist lapdog. The whole of Pakistan Army and state has been supported by the US and the West. Henry Kissinger saved Pakistan in 1971. There were no farishtas and Shuhada of Badar in the Dhaka Race Course when the most shameful and disgraceful surrender of recent times was signed.

And anyways, If Pakistan can use American jets and weapons to kill Balochs and Pashtuns, Barahmdagh Bugti has the right to use Indian weapons agaisnt Pak. (If that is the case.)

People like you who claim to have knowledge of the unseen are in the majority here on Pashtunforums so it seems.

But I have bad news for you. I am alhamdulillah a Muslim. Which means that I worship non other than Allah. And I do not worship anyone other than Allah.

I know you reply in such an emotional tone because you obviously favor ANP and pimps like them.

But don't go around online saying nasty stuff to people and accusing people of being mushrikeen. Because this implies that you are calling me a kaafir.

And if you consider me a kaafir and you have no proof against me, know that according to the hadith of rasul allah sal allahu alayhi wasallam, if two men call one another kaafir, then one of them certainly is a kaafir.

Ponder upon that and think twice before you post stuff like that again.

[Nadir Shah]

People like you who claim to have knowledge of the unseen are in the majority here on Pashtunforums so it seems.

But I have bad news for you. I am alhamdulillah a Muslim. Which means that I worship non other than Allah. And I do not worship anyone other than Allah.

I know you reply in such an emotional tone because you obviously favor ANP and pimps like them.

But don't go around online saying nasty stuff to people and accusing people of being mushrikeen. Because this implies that you are calling me a kaafir.

And if you consider me a kaafir and you have no proof against me, know that according to the hadith of rasul allah sal allahu alayhi wasallam, if two men call one another kaafir, then one of them certainly is a kaafir.

Ponder upon that and think twice before you post stuff like that again.

I have no interest to know who and what you worship. I have no time to ponder over who is or is not a Moslem or a kaafir. This, I have no concern with.

What I know is this. Any ideology which has brought destruction to the Pashtun Watan, It is my duty to fight in whatever capacity I can against it. And there are no sacred cows here. I have a working matrix for the Pashtun future. If anything, however sacred, does not fit in, We shall send it back to wherever it belongs, Punjab or Arabia.

[Nadir Shah]

Ive noticed Pro Pakistani are usually pro military...


Why cant someone be its Pro citizens and not govt?

Pro masses and progressive forces are have been under the fist of the establishment. I am not for purely racial interpretation of things but there are certain ground realities and experiences from which we need to learn.

[Nadir Shah]

Are you from Afghanistan or Pakistan.


Id be surprised to know that a Pakistani has such strict view of Paksitan, and it would also be interesting in knowing how an Afghan views Pakistan. That is why asked.

Lar Pakhtunkhwa. Occupied Pakhtunkhwa.