A Roadmap for Pashtunistan

[Toramana]

Besides Toramana... what are you afraid of?... I hear you are in your mid30s... Its time to get married buddy. Permanent bachelorhood is not a part of our culture. I am exponentially increasing your chances of finding a suitable partner with my 4 point plan.

Hahaha, being married to a cause is better than getting married to a woman that points stick at you 24 hours a day and seven days a week ....But your suggestion is worthy of consideration...would also be a service to the cause...

[Toramana]

leave these foolish dreams of an indepandent pakhtunkhwa or whatever you want to call it.

First of all, there is very little parallel between jews and pashtoons. And to be honest, I don't really understand this nagging obsession that some of you have for being a jew. I know jews were Allah's chosen people but now they have no right on laying a claim to any land. Any orthodox jew, that is a jew who is actually a follower of the teachings of Mosa, alihi salam, knows that he is to walk the earth without a country to call his own for breaking their covenant with Allah.
Secondly, what is a pashtun if not an afghan or a pakistani? Are you basing your pakhtunkhwa on the model of a fascist state like Israel? Will blood be the divider? Will you also advocate the killing of hazaras, ismailies, shias and the rest just because they don't come to your majlis? And then you say it should be based on Islam but you plot against "punjabies" as if they are born hypocrites. What nonsense is this doctor?

Yes, my Arab buddy ...this must have made you unconfortable because you want all Mulsims from Indonesia to Morroco to rally behind you for your Arab cause...as Arabs elite say "the cloak of Islam is much bigger than the cloak of Arab nationalism"...because it hides the Arab nationalism and its imperial ambition to make others follow him in the realization of Arab dreams....

On the same forum you had once said Pashtuns are 95% of Afghanistan population ...I as a Pashtun nationalist don't say that ...neither make any claim over what belongs to Tajak or Punjabi...I lay claim to what is mine i.e. the land from Hindukush (probably excluding Kabul because it is mixed city ) to Indus and its resources...

[BarakzaiAbdali]

leave these foolish dreams of an indepandent pakhtunkhwa or whatever you want to call it.

First of all, there is very little parallel between jews and pashtoons. And to be honest, I don't really understand this nagging obsession that some of you have for being a jew. I know jews were Allah's chosen people but now they have no right on laying a claim to any land. Any orthodox jew, that is a jew who is actually a follower of the teachings of Mosa, alihi salam, knows that he is to walk the earth without a country to call his own for breaking their covenant with Allah.
Secondly, what is a pashtun if not an afghan or a pakistani? Are you basing your pakhtunkhwa on the model of a fascist state like Israel? Will blood be the divider? Will you also advocate the killing of hazaras, ismailies, shias and the rest just because they don't come to your majlis? And then you say it should be based on Islam but you plot against "punjabies" as if they are born hypocrites. What nonsense is this doctor?

Brother you misunderstood. I do not ascribe to the Jewish theory. I was giving an example of a people who patiently planned and executed a plan with much subterfuge and intelligence. The Quran itself calls Isaac (A) an intelligent young man.

A part of my goal as a doctor is to promote a culture of life and peaceful resolution. I personally do not want to see Toramana under a tank anymore than I do Hamid Karzai or Mullah Omar. I may prefer to see Karzai out of power, but not dead. A large part of the debate here has been this issue of Afghan Pashtun versus Pakistani Pashtun versus NWFP + loya Afghanistan in a series of arguments that really lack any basis of the ground level reality. My point was to remind my colleagues within Afghanistan proper of the complex history of FATA and NWFP.

There is an assumption that people run with that should Pakistan collapse, the NWFP would run into our arms like a long lost brother. I contest this point and just feel that the evidence is scant. I also seek to remind them that laying claim to NWFP without the permission of the Yusufzai, Khattak, Wazir, Bittani, Mehsud, Banghash, Khalil, Mohmand, Afridi, etc etc etc tribes that have been there long before an Abdali or Khiljzai soldier set foot there may result in more blood shed. In the loya jirga... all tribes are equal.

Where Toramana and I see eye to eye is that the separation of brother from brother is generally painful and that Pakistan is nudging closer and closer to dissolution. Therefore, we ought to prepare for such an event. This is no different than recognizing what Ahmad Shah Abdali did when his mentor Nadir Afshar was killed. He recognized that the Iranian regime was at an end and the time had come to declare Pashtun independence. Where Toramana and I generally disagree is how we want to see the resolution of this separation.

I also assumed you read the end of what Toramana and I said to eachother regarding the role of such an area within the greater whole and an Islamic character. I also do not understand how a British drawn map of a stabilized Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India serves your viewpoint.

[randolph85]

the idea of a pashtunistan will fail because of the tribalism mentality. it would take a drastic islamic reeducation of pashtuns for generations to overcome the divisions that tribalism presents.

[Admin Khan]

the idea of a pashtunistan will fail because of the tribalism mentality. it would take a drastic islamic reeducation of pashtuns for generations to overcome the divisions that tribalism presents.

Create more universities and the problem itself will disappear. In my opinion, education is the only way to improve our lives. Tribalism will forever haunt us if we only have Kandahar University serving as a functioning university in Southern Afghanistan!

Seriously Randolph, how pathetic is that? I believe one of our members is working on establishing a few universities in the south.

[randolph85]

Create more universities and the problem itself will disappear. In my opinion, education is the only way to improve our lives. Tribalism will forever haunt us if we only have Kandahar University serving as a functioning university in Southern Afghanistan!

Seriously Randolph, how pathetic is that? I believe one of our members is working on establishing a few universities in the south.

yes, our position today is quite pathetic. the reawakening of pashtuns is something that will take generations. uni's cost money, good teachers are rare, and having a job market where degree's are useful depends on our economy which happens to suck.

it all depends on the will of our leaders. one of the people i hate with a passion in afghan history is zahir shah. he had 40 years of peace to develop the country and did jack ****, today we pray for even 1 week of peace.

[Alchemist]

Brother you misunderstood. I do not ascribe to the Jewish theory. I was giving an example of a people who patiently planned and executed a plan with much subterfuge and intelligence. The Quran itself calls Isaac (A) an intelligent young man.

A part of my goal as a doctor is to promote a culture of life and peaceful resolution. I personally do not want to see Toramana under a tank anymore than I do Hamid Karzai or Mullah Omar. I may prefer to see Karzai out of power, but not dead. A large part of the debate here has been this issue of Afghan Pashtun versus Pakistani Pashtun versus NWFP + loya Afghanistan in a series of arguments that really lack any basis of the ground level reality. My point was to remind my colleagues within Afghanistan proper of the complex history of FATA and NWFP.

There is an assumption that people run with that should Pakistan collapse, the NWFP would run into our arms like a long lost brother. I contest this point and just feel that the evidence is scant. I also seek to remind them that laying claim to NWFP without the permission of the Yusufzai, Khattak, Wazir, Bittani, Mehsud, Banghash, Khalil, Mohmand, Afridi, etc etc etc tribes that have been there long before an Abdali or Khiljzai soldier set foot there may result in more blood shed. In the loya jirga... all tribes are equal.

Where Toramana and I see eye to eye is that the separation of brother from brother is generally painful and that Pakistan is nudging closer and closer to dissolution. Therefore, we ought to prepare for such an event. This is no different than recognizing what Ahmad Shah Abdali did when his mentor Nadir Afshar was killed. He recognized that the Iranian regime was at an end and the time had come to declare Pashtun independence. Where Toramana and I generally disagree is how we want to see the resolution of this separation.

I also assumed you read the end of what Toramana and I said to eachother regarding the role of such an area within the greater whole and an Islamic character. I also do not understand how a British drawn map of a stabilized Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India serves your viewpoint.

Salam Brother,

Toramana is a child haunted by paranoia. I cannot take this fool seriously and I can't understand why some one of your caliber bothers to. He is a flip flopping sycophant. Now he says to you that an Islam should be the glue, but under his tongue he says that "pan-islamism" and "camalism" should be divorced from such an "Islamic character". Is that possible? He doesn't even know what he is talking about anymore. In my eyes he is not a pashtun or a pakistan or an afghan or even a canadian. Heck if he knows what he is. Only Allah knows what he is.

There are many kinds of "jews" as there are many kinds of "Pashtuns" and this is where the similarity between the two ends. The jews of europe at that time, the ashkanazi who aren't even of the linage of the prophets peace be upon them, had the control of the intelligentsia and the finances of all of europe. I don't need to give you a history lesson on the scope of the influence that people like the Rothschild had. Do I even need to talk about the jews of Munich University? Their model is nothing that you should draw aspirations from. You might as well say that Hitler had a better scheme of uniting his forces. But if you want to draw an analogy from another people, look at the latin americas and the way they are utilizing the already established institutions to build social cohesion. Even look on to the koreans - though it might not appear as much, before the Bush administration labeled the Northern Koreans evil and coxed their dictator into a defensive position, their relationship with the south was improving. The south and North Koreas, are one people divided by a boarder between the internationalists and the nationalists. Sometime in the near future you can expect them to reunite and when they do, they will have both a national character strong enough to dissolve their own boarders and merge with the globalized village that is emerging. Pashtu is not characterized by "blood" relations, and if anything tribalism is what has kept pakhtunkhwa in the dark ages. It is a serious problem because tribalism is marred with feudalism and village against village feuds. Take a page out of the book of the founders of Transjordon-syria, Iraq, Hejaz, the son of the sharif of Mecca, Faisal, who lead the arab revolt against the turks with the help of Lawerance. The way he organized the arabs to unite under him, under the tacit assumption that he was of the linage of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and that for loyalty he only asked the different factions to swear by Arab nationalism. In his forces there were Egyptians, Syrians, Bedouins of various tribes all united for the sake of re-establishing Arab nationalism, which had been undermined by the Turks. Even though there are twice as many pashtuns in Pakistan as there is in Afghanistan, Pashto is not even given any sort of cultural recognition. I am amazed at how invisible the pashtuns of Pakistan are! They are treated on their own soil as foreigners! We could go on an end comparing Afghanistan to Japan, though geographical opposites, both toyed with an "isolation" policy and failed. Though the latter more successful at making the turn and hooking up with the rest the world on an economical scale that surpassed the Americans.

What I recommend for you, is to first stop listening to the likes of the Toramana. Do not even bother deliberating anything with him. His kind is lost in the twilight zone of the electronic age. Indeed, we should be looking at the future and not so much the past and like Admin Khan and others have noted, 'education' is the key. We, as a species have entered a new dawn of an electronic era that has changed our behavior on social level in many ways. The people of the region need to be able the utilize the technological extensions, the mediums, necessary for prospering in a world where boarders are meaningless and national identities as disconnected from such a reality as 'passports'. You are an "American-Fister", so I don't suppose you have an Afghan passport or a Pakistani passport yet you identify with the pashtoon cause. What if you build a university in America and sponsored pashtoons to study there then return to their homeland and work for the prospects of their own relatives in turn. What we need is entrapreneurs who can roam freely across the globe and carry out national ambitions on an individual level. Fukuzawa, the man who single handedly built the tokyo university had no money of his own but just the desire to do. He was amongst the first batch of japanese sent to the west to study their systems of education, transportation and government and then he returned to Japan to set up forums and hold discussions and newletters with his own people. As a young boy, his only means of education were the dutch books that he would copy and translate to japanese for homework.

The problem with these dreams of nationalisms is that you have metropolitans, urban whitewashed folks who can't think for themselves and don't believe in the peasantry...who make the bulk of such factions as the taliban. They are too disconnected from that reality and by not reaching up to them fail to channel the energy, the fury, of the people towards a more constructive end. What if America pulls out? This is what you should be looking forward to. Not the demise of Pakistan. Since Pakistan is there to stay and so is its military and its economies. And so long as America is present in the region khyber will be bombed from the sky on a daily basis. It is not realistic of you to dream of a pakhtunkhwa with Peshawar as its capital. Nor is it is feasible to do away with the present institutions and issue out new passports to pashtuns and expect international recognition. All this won't come about without the death of thousands upon and thousands and unless you deem you deem Toramana to be the next stalin, ready to wash the soils with his own people's blood, then you can forget about such a fantasy. A language of a people is an acess point to the whole of its culture. It is more realistic of you to dream of setting up pashtu television channels and promote pashtu language...why reinvent the wheel? Afghanistan is already home to pashtuns and a place where pashtun culture is more dominant. I am a farsiwan and I have no qualms about an Afghanistan run by Pashtuns. Disband the ANA and focus on the reconstructions there. Put in telecommunication lines, and a computer in every child's hand. Heck, even the Agha khan foundaton, which in my eyes is a kaffar society, has done more for khyber than Afghanista, Pakistan and America put together. And indeed foundations are the way of the future. Without the backing of the house of Rothschild, Israel would remain nothing but a dream. Focus on the local economies and leave the politics aside. Take it from and throw every politician in a fire pit and that will solve 80% of your problems. What you need are practical people with a can do attitude, not whinny delusional like toramana that who will sit here and dabble with you on nonsense theories like donkeyism and what have you.


That is just my two cents on the issue. I don't have the time to edit even this post ... so if any errors wa bakho...

[graveyardofempires]

And what if the taliban takeover start blowing up schools and flog women in public.

That wouldnt be a freedom.

wow a brainwashed pashtun
what have you been watching Fox news or let me guess Geo news

[graveyardofempires]

Create more universities and the problem itself will disappear. In my opinion, education is the only way to improve our lives. Tribalism will forever haunt us if we only have Kandahar University serving as a functioning university in Southern Afghanistan!

Seriously Randolph, how pathetic is that? I believe one of our members is working on establishing a few universities in the south.

if universities are not in pashto we will always come as second.
and how can you make universities if we dont have the material in pashto.
so again it will be dari in Afghanistan and urdu in Pukhtunkhwa in the name of education.

if a pashtun needs to learn a language which is not his mother language he will always stay behind.

how about all the smartpants write school books or translate western books lets say on medicine etc to pashto.

and we shouldnt try to make everyone a doctor since some people are just farmers and are doing well and are much needed.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Salam Brother,

Toramana is a child haunted by paranoia. I cannot take this fool seriously and I can't understand why some one of your caliber bothers to. He is a flip flopping sycophant. Now he says to you that an Islam should be the glue, but under his tongue he says that "pan-islamism" and "camalism" should be divorced from such an "Islamic character". Is that possible? He doesn't even know what he is talking about anymore. In my eyes he is not a pashtun or a pakistan or an afghan or even a canadian. Heck if he knows what he is. Only Allah knows what he is.

There are many kinds of "jews" as there are many kinds of "Pashtuns" and this is where the similarity between the two ends. The jews of europe at that time, the ashkanazi who aren't even of the linage of the prophets peace be upon them, had the control of the intelligentsia and the finances of all of europe. I don't need to give you a history lesson on the scope of the influence that people like the Rothschild had. Do I even need to talk about the jews of Munich University? Their model is nothing that you should draw aspirations from. You might as well say that Hitler had a better scheme of uniting his forces. But if you want to draw an analogy from another people, look at the latin americas and the way they are utilizing the already established institutions to build social cohesion. Even look on to the koreans - though it might not appear as much, before the Bush administration labeled the Northern Koreans evil and coxed their dictator into a defensive position, their relationship with the south was improving. The south and North Koreas, are one people divided by a boarder between the internationalists and the nationalists. Sometime in the near future you can expect them to reunite and when they do, they will have both a national character strong enough to dissolve their own boarders and merge with the globalized village that is emerging. Pashtu is not characterized by "blood" relations, and if anything tribalism is what has kept pakhtunkhwa in the dark ages. It is a serious problem because tribalism is marred with feudalism and village against village feuds. Take a page out of the book of the founders of Transjordon-syria, Iraq, Hejaz, the son of the sharif of Mecca, Faisal, who lead the arab revolt against the turks with the help of Lawerance. The way he organized the arabs to unite under him, under the tacit assumption that he was of the linage of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and that for loyalty he only asked the different factions to swear by Arab nationalism. In his forces there were Egyptians, Syrians, Bedouins of various tribes all united for the sake of re-establishing Arab nationalism, which had been undermined by the Turks. Even though there are twice as many pashtuns in Pakistan as there is in Afghanistan, Pashto is not even given any sort of cultural recognition. I am amazed at how invisible the pashtuns of Pakistan are! They are treated on their own soil as foreigners! We could go on an end comparing Afghanistan to Japan, though geographical opposites, both toyed with an "isolation" policy and failed. Though the latter more successful at making the turn and hooking up with the rest the world on an economical scale that surpassed the Americans.

What I recommend for you, is to first stop listening to the likes of the Toramana. Do not even bother deliberating anything with him. His kind is lost in the twilight zone of the electronic age. Indeed, we should be looking at the future and not so much the past and like Admin Khan and others have noted, 'education' is the key. We, as a species have entered a new dawn of an electronic era that has changed our behavior on social level in many ways. The people of the region need to be able the utilize the technological extensions, the mediums, necessary for prospering in a world where boarders are meaningless and national identities as disconnected from such a reality as 'passports'. You are an "American-Fister", so I don't suppose you have an Afghan passport or a Pakistani passport yet you identify with the pashtoon cause. What if you build a university in America and sponsored pashtoons to study there then return to their homeland and work for the prospects of their own relatives in turn. What we need is entrapreneurs who can roam freely across the globe and carry out national ambitions on an individual level. Fukuzawa, the man who single handedly built the tokyo university had no money of his own but just the desire to do. He was amongst the first batch of japanese sent to the west to study their systems of education, transportation and government and then he returned to Japan to set up forums and hold discussions and newletters with his own people. As a young boy, his only means of education were the dutch books that he would copy and translate to japanese for homework.

The problem with these dreams of nationalisms is that you have metropolitans, urban whitewashed folks who can't think for themselves and don't believe in the peasantry...who make the bulk of such factions as the taliban. They are too disconnected from that reality and by not reaching up to them fail to channel the energy, the fury, of the people towards a more constructive end. What if America pulls out? This is what you should be looking forward to. Not the demise of Pakistan. Since Pakistan is there to stay and so is its military and its economies. And so long as America is present in the region khyber will be bombed from the sky on a daily basis. It is not realistic of you to dream of a pakhtunkhwa with Peshawar as its capital. Nor is it is feasible to do away with the present institutions and issue out new passports to pashtuns and expect international recognition. All this won't come about without the death of thousands upon and thousands and unless you deem you deem Toramana to be the next stalin, ready to wash the soils with his own people's blood, then you can forget about such a fantasy. A language of a people is an acess point to the whole of its culture. It is more realistic of you to dream of setting up pashtu television channels and promote pashtu language...why reinvent the wheel? Afghanistan is already home to pashtuns and a place where pashtun culture is more dominant. I am a farsiwan and I have no qualms about an Afghanistan run by Pashtuns. Disband the ANA and focus on the reconstructions there. Put in telecommunication lines, and a computer in every child's hand. Heck, even the Agha khan foundaton, which in my eyes is a kaffar society, has done more for khyber than Afghanista, Pakistan and America put together. And indeed foundations are the way of the future. Without the backing of the house of Rothschild, Israel would remain nothing but a dream. Focus on the local economies and leave the politics aside. Take it from and throw every politician in a fire pit and that will solve 80% of your problems. What you need are practical people with a can do attitude, not whinny delusional like toramana that who will sit here and dabble with you on nonsense theories like donkeyism and what have you.


That is just my two cents on the issue. I don't have the time to edit even this post ... so if any errors wa bakho...

Although I don't really care for the secularists or what not...I don't understand two things you wrote. First of all, how is it that America will somehow leave and be pushed out but Pakistan is here to stay? Who do you think has been propping up Pakistan? Second of all, Pakthunkhwa was not meant to be a substate by itself....people who advocate independence aren't just concerned with Pashtunkhwa, but with Afghanistan as well.

Oh and Pashtunkhwa staying as is within the framework of Pakistan is essentially a continuation of previous colonial laws and the great game of the 1800s. It doesn't benefit the Pashtuns there.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

excellent strategy Barakzai

I would add the following

1- connection and linkages between Student Associations in Kabul, Kandahar, Peshawar, Quetta and Karachi. These are the new generation of Pakhtana back home. These connections should be aided and facilitated by students in the diaspora, who are in a better position to provide funding and a model for pashtun cooperation

2- diaspora pakhtuns from lar and bar need to start connecting with each in their respective areas. this provides a model for cooperation

3- pashtun academics and professionals need to go back home if not full time, then part time, and start trade schools and skill training. where possible, we need to teach them english, the language of intl business and education

4- DEVELOP THE PASHTO LANGUAGE INTO A LANGUAGE OF ACADEMIA.
^ SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POINT. PASHTO IS THE ONLY COMMON FACTOR AMONGST PAKHTUNS. YES WE;RE ALL MUSLIMS BUT WE;RE ALL MUSLIMS TO VARYING DEGREES. WE ALL SPEAK PASHTO. DEVELOP THIS LANGUAGE

5- fund raise for the establishment of pashto schools/universities

6- continue the development of pashto media. is there currently a pan durand pashto publication that delivers papers to quetta and qandahar?

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

i will to like to further add

employment is a major issue in our lands. our existing state structures cannot care for the employment needs of our people. those who do have jobs, do so within existing state structures that are inherently destructive to our people (forces linguistic and cultural integration into persian/pakistan ways)

further more, the ability to educate and employ is the single handed greatest factor in developing legitimacy amongst our people and getting their allegiance

hence, why pashtuns in kp didnt care for a backward kabul based monarch when the pakistani state clothed and fed them

we need to gather our funds, raise more if need be, and create employment projects for back home

whether building a well, canal or planting trees. those of us who are educated in the west, must build connections to ngos and create charities to get external sources of funds

one more point i must repeat, whatever we do we must do as a civic cultural group and NO POLITICS. we must do everything outside the structure of existing governments and states AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, to avoid being targetted

[Admin Khan]

if universities are not in pashto we will always come as second.

If we stop treating Dari like an intruder, we won't.

and how can you make universities if we dont have the material in pashto.

There are all sorts of books in Pashto. In fact, Peshawar and Karachi are actively printing out Pashto books. Pashto isn't a new language brother. We have many competent writers, and our new generation in the west looks promising only if they return to educate the lost generation. If you visit the south, you will find a ton of Pashto books. The problem we have is with teachers. Most of our teachers are incompetent and they have difficulties in conveying a message. In Kabul, it's just a mess. It's every humans right to learn in their mother-tongue and here we have Pashto speakers being lectured in Dari. Now, I personally think every Pashtun should learn Dari, French, German, Bengali etc. However, I also think Pashto should be equally promoted. I must confess though, Pashto is discriminated against and there is no doubt about that. As much as I want to paint a lovey-dovey pictures of Tajiks, some Tajiks do have an agenda. But that doesn't mean it's only Tajiks, there are other ethnic groups including your own people who stand with their decision. I mean, you agree Kabul is Pashtun majority right? You agree Peshawar is Pashtun majority right? How are both of our major cities still allergic to Pashto? How shameful is it that half of our ethnic group in Pashtunkhwa are taught in Urdu? Hell, the overwhelming majority of the Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa can't write in Pashto. They can have however stutter a few Pashto words upon reading. The aforementioned applies to our lost generation in Afghanistan as well. The problem is we all have agendas, we all want to be physicians and live comfy lives in the west. If you want to see your ethnic group succeed and excel, you have to support them. Build a school, we have to do something.Truth be told, Our people are victims of exoneration. We are sadly portrayed as war-mongering homosexuals. But in reality, we are a peace-loving nation. We can quote poetry for days and all we wish to see is a peaceful Afghanistan.

so again it will be dari in Afghanistan and urdu in Pukhtunkhwa in the name of education.

Embrace Dari and Urdu. You can never get rid of them. Just like how you learned English, learn those two languages as well.

if a pashtun needs to learn a language which is not his mother language he will always stay behind.

I kindheartedly agree.

how about all the smartpants write school books or translate western books lets say on medicine etc to pashto.

Why don't you create a team and begin? I can even create you a special section. I'm sure my dad will assist you.

and we shouldnt try to make everyone a doctor since some people are just farmers and are doing well and are much needed.

We should let people choose what they want to become. This isn't Pakistan where everyone must become a accountant just to make a living. Let people choose what they want to major in. Nearly ever major in the world can benefit Afghanistan.

[graveyardofempires]

If we stop treating Dari like an intruder, we won't.
There are all sorts of books in Pashto. In fact, Peshawar and Karachi are actively printing out Pashto books. Pashto isn't a new language brother. We have many competent writers, and our new generation in the west looks promising only if they return to educate the lost generation. If you visit the south, you will find a ton of Pashto books. The problem we have is with teachers. Most of our teachers are incompetent and they have difficulties in conveying a message. In Kabul, it's just a mess. It's every humans right to learn in their mother-tongue and here we have Pashto speakers being lectured in Dari. Now, I personally think every Pashtun should learn Dari, French, German, Bengali etc. However, I also think Pashto should be equally promoted. I must confess though, Pashto is discriminated against and there is no doubt about that. As much as I want to paint a lovey-dovey pictures of Tajiks, some Tajiks do have an agenda. But that doesn't mean it's only Tajiks, there are other ethnic groups including your own people who stand with their decision. I mean, you agree Kabul is Pashtun majority right? You agree Peshawar is Pashtun majority right? How are both of our major cities still allergic to Pashto? How shameful is it that half of our ethnic group in Pashtunkhwa are taught in Urdu? Hell, the overwhelming majority of the Pashtuns in Pashtunkhwa can't write in Pashto. They can have however stutter a few Pashto words upon reading. The aforementioned applies to our lost generation in Afghanistan as well. The problem is we all have agendas, we all want to be physicians and live comfy lives in the west. If you want to see your ethnic group succeed and excel, you have to support them. Build a school, we have to do something.Truth be told, Our people are victims of exoneration. We are sadly portrayed as war-mongering homosexuals. But in reality, we are a peace-loving nation. We can quote poetry for days and all we wish to see is a peaceful Afghanistan.

Embrace Dari and Urdu. You can never get rid of them. Just like how you learned English, learn those two languages as well.
I kindheartedly agree.
Why don't you create a team and begin? I can even create you a special section. I'm sure my dad will assist you.
We should let people choose what they want to become. This isn't Pakistan where everyone must become a accountant just to make a living. Let people choose what they want to major in. Nearly ever major in the world can benefit Afghanistan.

i agree with you and im not against dari and consider it to be second to pashto same as it shouldnt be a problem if pashtuns speak urdu.
the problem here is from both sides pashto is not given its proper status.
its good if we had dari urdu as secondery languages to our own but we shouldnt have our schools in these languages.we dont need to push our language upon other people.

wey de yaw las na taq ne khejey,
if anyone can translate books into pashto or right school books i can help out with designing etc.im not that good in wriritng pashto.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Although I don't really care for the secularists or what not...I don't understand two things you wrote. First of all, how is it that America will somehow leave and be pushed out but Pakistan is here to stay? Who do you think has been propping up Pakistan? Second of all, Pakthunkhwa was not meant to be a substate by itself....people who advocate independence aren't just concerned with Pashtunkhwa, but with Afghanistan as well.

Oh and Pashtunkhwa staying as is within the framework of Pakistan is essentially a continuation of previous colonial laws and the great game of the 1800s. It doesn't benefit the Pashtuns there.

Question 1: How is it that America will be pushed out but Pakistan is here to stay?

I tend to agree that its current actions are moving towards internal destabilization and disintegration. However Pakistan's survival and America's being kicked out can be mutually exclusive events. In fact, Pakistan's survival depends on it divesting itself from serving America's interests over its own instead of killing its own people and destabilizing itself. The fact that America props up the Pakistani economy is no gaurantee that America leaving will result in Pakistan dissolving. Very likely, the Pakistani Army will step in and take over since it appears to be the only functioning institution in Pakistan and eventually tell the US that it will not act against its own interests.

Statement 1: Pakhtunkhwa was not meant to be a substate by itself.

Once again, there is no proof for this statement. The history of the southern Afghan basin diverges at various points from that of the NWFP. The Safavid empire was very much involved in the southern Afghan basin and the mogul empire only briefly wrestled control of Kandahar from them... the NWFP, on the otherhand, to the consternation of Khushal Khan Khattak was in the hands of the moghuls for longer periods of time and was successfully held by Rao Singh for a brief period of time. As I noted, the tribes of the NWFP occupy their own territories and a breakdown of the tribal map shows that the current occupation of various tribal groups almost fits the durand line (except for various Wazirs and Mehsuds that still have lands in Birmal). The exception to this is the Abdali confederation that successfully overlaps borders near Quetta/Kandahar. The Mohmands of the FATA territory are primary khanate families that have lands within modern Pakistan and not within modern Afghanistan.

Therefore, it is a dangerous assumption, devoid of data/surveys that Khybar Pashtunkhwa will openly join with Afghanistan in its present Karzai led form or with the southern Afghan territories. The Wardaks, Safi Khels, Kharotian, Awdalyaan, Khiljzian have no right to dictate to these tribes where their destiny will be.