Who would Afghanis support in any India Pakistan war ??

[Talal]

This is a complex issue and you have to look at it from different dimensions. First of all what kind of help ?

Military Warfare ? ..nope

Guerilla Warfare ? ..Unlikely, since majority of the Taliban factions are tied down in Afghanistan fighting NATO and what not and ANA as of right now cannot so much as step outside of kabul without NATO covering them.

The better questions is what can they NOT do...simple if they not let India sponsor backdoor insurgencies in Pakistan. It is highly unlikely that the current Afghan Intelligensia plans on stopping that anytime soon.

Moreover there cant be any war between India and Pakistan, both countries know that incase of any eventuality things will escalate very quickly and none of them are willing to pay the price for it.

The best they can do is what they are doing right now, sponsor terror across the border through whatever means necessary. And here unfortunately Afghanistan is being used as a battleground, and most of it is Afghanistan's fault. As much hard it is to admit, The Taliban were Afghanistan's own doing..Whatever is happening there today is its own doing. Extreme disunity between the northern areas and the Pashtun majority, no centralised form of governance, no strong institutions, failure of Afghan leaders to counter and solve internal issues that plagued the country long before the talibs came are the reason Afghanistan is where it as it today. Blame Pakistan all you want for "meddling" in Afghanistan, reality is Pakistan only put its support behind the Taliban because of they anti-Pakistan rhetoric of previous Afghan establishments. Agreed Pakistan has no buisness meddling in Afghanistan's affairs but that argument is void if you let anti-Pakistan elements run the show there and how could you not expect Pakistan to take appropriate measures to safeguard its own interests ?

At this point, my argument has derailed from the question that was asked, but the point i was trying to make was that Afghanistan can only help Pakistan if it is stable and without ethnic disfunction, right now it is plagued by disunity between tajiks and pashtuns and what not. You guys need to forget about your past and unite for a future and get rid of all these foreign players. Its in best interest of Pakistan to help unite Afghans and ensure that a friendly government is established there, for that to happen Afghans will have to let go of there obsession of watching Pakistan disintegrate and move on to more pressing matters, Afghanistan's own identity is one of them. Likewise Pakistan needs to stop backing up the taliban, but again that can only happen if India gets out of Afghanistan.

All of the above is sort of a utopian scenario, but peace is achievable; only thing is we have to give way to love in our hearts for eachother. where hatred and disdain has so powerfully blinded us to the real solutions for this conflict.

Oh and a shout out my kandahary friends, no matter happens i know they got our back and we theirs

[IamDZJ]

So you are telling people that afghans have sold Afghanistan to Pakistan?

How pathetic are you and your own quote applies on you "Talk is cheap and you are good at it"

Pathetic kid

no country other than afghanistan itself or pakistan for that matter deserves a single droplet of the blood of an afghan. specially not pakistan.
if that makes me pathetic by your definition, BE MY GUEST... and see if i care.

[imb706]

I see the FCR has collective punishment. That's pretty bad.

[Dinosaur Khan]

this is a very stupid question. go back and look at the history pakistan has 60 years of history, pakistan would have been vanished long ago if not afghanistan. even king Zahir refused to cooperate with india, did not allow the air space over pashtun provinces, which brought an end to his kingdom.
on the other hand braveswati should put the question this way.
will pashtun from occupied pashtunkhwah support India against pakistan?
I am talking about pashtun Afghans. Not you swati the brave, you have historically hatered towards pashtun, like most of your brothers from Hazara mansehra.
if you remeber when pakistan was slaughtering the pashtuns in swat, waziristan under the name of taliban, pakistan started to panic that India is going to attack it. the people of the area could not wait when india will attack pakistan and pakistan will shift its attention towards india.
we are here cannt speak for them beacause we are enjoying the freedom and comfort somewhere in the west. ask those who are suffering from cruel pakistan regime.

Oye afghanaya Occupied pakhtunkhwa sasha yi? Refrain from insulting 30 millions pashtuns of pakistan.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Oye afghanaya Occupied pakhtunkhwa sasha yi? Refrain from insulting 30 millions pashtuns of pakistan.

Its not an insult if it is true. Unfortunately pashtuns on both sides are lost, just in different ways and can't see it. Khudae dae pwae kee.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I hate Pakistani government and Pakistani rule. I hate Pakistani government just as much as I hate Afghanistans government.

I wish both governments and their leaders and staff were overthrown.

But in Islam, it is KUFR to align yourself against Muslims.

5:51 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.


Although Indians are not Christians and Jews, they still are kuffaar. And therefor it is obligatory on all Muslims to align themselves with their Muslim brethren. Even if their Muslim brethren are unjust or corrupt.

Dear Sanger

With due Respect, India has over 180 million Muslims who are very proud of being Indian, it would not be nice calling them kaffirs, India is a multicultural state, just like how Dubai has many faiths and nationals living there. Pakistan on the other hand, is a state brought to existance by the British over planned tensions of a once peaceful continent.

I would also question, supporting a Muslim who is corrupt and unjust, that can be very contradictive in regards to logic, as one would say, Follow Mushraff even though he is unjust etc.

Secondly, if one looks into logic and the current situation, we need to determine who is kuffer as not its become a fashionable name to be placed on those people whom the caller disagrees with. Afghanistan should not align itself with Pakistan on the grounds of "Politic disguised in the cloth of Islam".

Deera manana.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Few questions:

are those 180 million Muslims in India in charge? Or are they oppressed and treated as inferior people?

And if India delared war against Pakistan, are those 180 million Muslims who decide to go to war with their fellow Muslim brethren? Or is the Hindu & Sikh elite who makes this decision?

Third question, how do you decide if someone is a Kaafir? Do you go by gut-feeling or you use Qur'anic criteria?

And last question, did you know there were Muslims who considered Ali radiallhu anhu an unjust ruler and delcared him a Kaafir and tried to kill him? Do we have to be like them?

Ok. I am not saying Zardari is anywhere near Ali ra. BUt this thread is a hypothetical question. And my answer to it was hypothetical.

I know perfectly well that the current government of Pakistan is in many ways much similar if not worse than the HIndu governemnt.

Dear Sanger

With due Respect, India has over 180 million Muslims who are very proud of being Indian, it would not be nice calling them kaffirs, India is a multicultural state, just like how Dubai has many faiths and nationals living there. Pakistan on the other hand, is a state brought to existance by the British over planned tensions of a once peaceful continent.

I would also question, supporting a Muslim who is corrupt and unjust, that can be very contradictive in regards to logic, as one would say, Follow Mushraff even though he is unjust etc.

Secondly, if one looks into logic and the current situation, we need to determine who is kuffer as not its become a fashionable name to be placed on those people whom the caller disagrees with. Afghanistan should not align itself with Pakistan on the grounds of "Politic disguised in the cloth of Islam".

Deera manana.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Few questions:

are those 180 million Muslims in India in charge? Or are they oppressed and treated as inferior people?

India government does not determine who rules by Relgion, as their have been leaders there who were muslims, iam sure their president was a Muslim at one point. To be treated as inferior is a common place even in Muslim countries.

And if India delared war against Pakistan, are those 180 million Muslims who decide to go to war with their fellow Muslim brethren? Or is the Hindu & Sikh elite who makes this decision?

Its happened in the Past, but if Pakistan wants to send Jihadis over the border to blow up civilian infrastructure, should a sane person side with those terrorists or with the country who is home for them. No sane person would beleive Kasab is a Islamic figure nor do Indian Muslims want to divide away from their home just because Muslims in Pakistan do not get along with Hindus.

Third question, how do you decide if someone is a Kaafir? Do you go by gut-feeling or you use Qur'anic criteria?

If you use Quranic criteria, one should also look at Logic as well, If a Person murders your whole family and he prays five times a day, doesnt he break the basic tenet of Islam, which is not to kill anybody wheatehr muslim or not, or do you forgive them and accept his unjust rule and have your dignity raped and absued.

And last question, did you know there were Muslims who considered Ali radiallhu anhu an unjust ruler and delcared him a Kaafir and tried to kill him? Do we have to be like them?

I am sure todays rulers are no relation to past Islamic figures, I think its the right of any Human to oppose oppression,brutality, cruely and imperialism wheather its done by a Muslim or not.

Ok. I am not saying Zardari is anywhere near Ali ra. BUt this thread is a hypothetical question. And my answer to it was hypothetical.

Zardari is not the ruler, iam speaking of a bigger problem, and that is Pakistaniyat and Deceiving minds by Abusing Islam as a tool, every race, culture and people should be established and respected, I personally do not beleive in unting many groups under one banner, as logic has proven in the past that it does not work.

I know perfectly well that the current government of Pakistan is in many ways much similar if not worse than the HIndu governemnt.[/QUOTE]

India is not a Hindu government, it is a Secular Government. One should truely question the purpose of Pakistan and its treatment of Pashtuns, during Zia ul haq reign, Islam was used on pashtuns as our weakness for god is very clear at the time, how can one fight or die for a fellow person who treats you very badly. Also I may not be a Quran expert, but iam sure it clearly says fight those who oppress you, being pashtun and having our homes,mosques blown up by so called fellow Muslims, is also against Islamic law and Shariat, and a free independant Pashtun Land whereby our deen is preserve and not abused, iam sure has the full backing of any Islamic text.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

tho zama pa khabara wanarasedey... musalman aw kafir da manza obasa. da pakhtun soch waka. mong chey nan pa kam haal ki yoo da haghe da pakistan awam aw govt downra zemawar dey

yaw bal taza mesal ogoraa da napkistan awam aw foj, chey hagha da khapal khalko parwa na lari.. zama aw sta bandey sa kii http://www.hindustantimes.com/Kasab-...e1-540002.aspx
isi/lasker taiba trained terrorist

What should also ask, what if the Majority of Punjabi Muslims support an Army attack on Pashtuns,would still fighting against a fellow Muslim be against Islam?

[شمله ور خراساني]

What should also ask, what if the Majority of Punjabi Muslims support an Army attack on Pashtuns,would still fighting against a fellow Muslim be against Islam?

The reason why they support the army is not because of their religious persuasions. They have been ruled and they have benefited from British occupation of Subcontinent for centuries. Their great grandfathers served the British army.

Now that the British are gone, they have inherited the power and domination over others. And that's why they support the army. Because they are part of it.

[afghan]

Oye afghanaya Occupied pakhtunkhwa sasha yi? Refrain from insulting 30 millions pashtuns of pakistan.

my dear insulting any pashtun is insulting my ownself. occupied pashtunkhwah is the same as pakistan occupied kashmir (POK), or India occupied Kshmir (IOK).

[MazloomyarMaseed]

The reason why they support the army is not because of their religious persuasions. They have been ruled and they have benefited from British occupation of Subcontinent for centuries. Their great grandfathers served the British army.

Now that the British are gone, they have inherited the power and domination over others. And that's why they support the army. Because they are part of it.

They protect the Pakistani Army because they are the only hope to protect Punjabs Interest and its domination over smaller provinces.

[Dinosaur Khan]

my dear insulting any pashtun is insulting my ownself. occupied pashtunkhwah is the same as pakistan occupied kashmir (POK), or India occupied Kshmir

Afghanistan has rightful claim over pakhtunkhwa but pashtuns of KP are not responding to afghanistan's wishes. So in this way it is case of pakhtunkhwa is different from that of kashmir, where muslims dont want hindu's occupation & always look towards pakistan.

[afghan]

Afghanistan has rightful claim over pakhtunkhwa but pashtuns of KP are not responding to afghanistan's wishes. So in this way it is case of pakhtunkhwa is different from that of kashmir, where muslims dont want hindu's occupation & always look towards pakistan.

ok pashtun cannt speak for pashtuns but pakies can speak for kashmiris , laughable..

[Dinosaur Khan]

ok pashtun cannt speak for pashtuns but pakies can speak for kashmiris , laughable..

For you people we are may be some miserable, occupied slaves of punjabies... but the reality is different. surely some rights (e.g royalty of electricity) of pashtuns are trampled in pakistan, but it is due to laziness & sleeping of pashtuns.
Pashtuns wants more rights & progress but within pakistan.