Why do Afghani Pashtuns hate Pakistan?

[Admin Khan]

Manzareh, as I promised, here is my source that Pashtuns are 63-65 percent of the Afghan population. WAK FOUNDATION is an independent organization, It's not ran by Pashtuns, It's an organization from Norway. So, I hope you better understand things now.


And our very own Nick, has also elaborated on a few points here.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-talk-11/questions-concerns-regarding-pakistani-demographics-afghan-race-1749/

[BLS_1919v2.0]

You're up for a mixed afghanistan with various ethnics forming a large percentage of the country, your up for pashtun politicians sitting next to an uzbek politician that would love to see pashtuns dead, your up to create an afghanistan for the simple reason afghan has history and the word afghan means pashtun..me on the other hand aint up for that, i care about my people that i want a pashtun country, with atleast 90% of the population being pashtun, i want a full pashtun parliment and a justly elected pashtun ruler i dont want the influence of persian dari in my country, i want an army that isnt like the northern allience farsi's..your up for afghanistan i say to helll with afghanistan and all for pashtunistan, unless ofcourse you name the new pashtunistan afghanistan. do you understand.

If Pashtunkhwa unites with Afghanistan, Pashtuns by default will make 80-90% of the population, so then by your logic you should be pushing for it. Manzareh I have a feeling people are using Pashtunistan slogan as a crutch, they barely mean it.

Now here is the thing, you said hindus are plotting against 120 million muslims. Is there any facts to this? Pakistan and India have been plotting against each other, it is called post-colonialism and political rivalry. What else was going to happen? BTW this same hindu country was considered closer to Jinnah's Pakistan than anywhere else. An indian journalist once asked Jinnah if India was attacked what would Pakistan do. Jinnah said "blood is thicker than water" and they would stand with India. Now tell me, if the so-called founder had this idea towards India, what is up with this hindu-phobia? It has become nauseating.

About Uzbeks, then kindly show us where your Pashtunistan/Afghanistan starts and where it ends? What will happen to minorities like hindko and dari speakers? Afghanistan army has just recently seen a surge in Northern alliance that is due to the political situation in Afghanistan post 1990s. Which Uzbek politician are you talking about? Dostum? He probably wants some Pashtuns dead, but is he worse than half a million army and intelligence institution? This northern alliance gained power when your baradare khudaade muslimeen gave them bases and supply routes. Then in a classic attempt of cunning brought back some militants to train and use them against the new government in Afghanistan. They played us for a prostitute and abused us. Now if insulting karzai is the best comeback you have or going after shumaaliyaan then this is your complex not mine.

BTW Derviash where are your high and mighty words of love and peace gone? Khaana patt walae yaee?

[MazloomYarMasud]

Dear Mazarey

You are right.

Pushto was only recognised as the Official language of Afghanistan a few decades ago of its 300 or so years of history.

Do not worry about Afghanistan taking Pakhtunkhwa away from Pakistan. Its never ever going to Happen. It only takes a few passages from the Quran and a emotional Kutbah by Pakistan and there you go, Afghans such as Pashtuns will be ready to unite with Pakistan in the name of Religion.

Do not take offence to this REAL FACT, majority of Afghans such as Pashtuns despise Nationalism. Pakistan is very much in control of Afghanistan and especially Pashtuns, Tajiks were the first to be used but they realised they are being used by Pakistan and that resulted in Ahmad Shah Masood burning down the Pakistani Embassy in Kabul.

Pashtuns in Afghanistan are showing "Zero" attempts to reclaim Pakhtunkhwa as their ambitions are much more bigger i.e global khalifate, Islamic state(Taliban).

every resistance group in Afghanistan is highly influenced by Pakistan and it only takes a few arrests and a cut of supplies and the Afghan Taliban can not function or fight correctly.

Pakistan is very much under-estimated. In Pakhtunkhwa there is not a single Pashtun Nationalist Party who has a policy of Returning to Afghanistan, they speak of Pashtun Unity but they happily receive their Pension from the "Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan".

Plus the tablighi Jamaat which is another organisation which is highly influenced by the Pakistan Army and its Generals has a huge following among pashtuns, if one visits their Tabligh in Raiwand you will see Pashtuns from Quetta, Waziristan up to Peshawer in the 1000's listening to Punjabi Mullahs.

Afghans themselves choose to align themselves with CIA/ISI and lured the Soviets in. They slaughtered their own president being Najibullah and even sliced his testicles off and started hugging their "Bhai Jaans from Pakistan".

There is no movement in Afghanistan that is working to Unite Pashtuns on the contexts of Abolishing the Durrand line, Uniting all tribes, working for the betterment of the Pashtun people and the modernisation of the land.

So those in the west, do not get your hopes up too much. Pashtuns in Pakistan and even those from Afghanistan are very much happy to live and work in Pakistan even they are discriminated against, I see absolutely nothing done against it by Pashtuns, maybe a few Protests by Pmap(only when their members are harmed) but on the other hand I have seen myself Pashtuns to be too much forgiving when it comes to economical issues.

Another aspect most here have ignored is the FACT that even if Pakhtunkhwa joins Afghanistan, there will be total civil war, Tajiks and Hazaras WILL NEVER ACCEPT another 10 or 20 million Pashtuns and It will not take long before blood shed happens, plus its not a reasonable nor a good idea to waste time fighting them.

Kind Regards

[MazloomYarMasud]

A Pashtun State is the only reasonable suggestion.

Loy Afghanistan is just another ambitious campaign by those former ruling Tribes of Afghanistan to once more rule over Pashtuns but favour their own tribal lineage.

[graveyardofempires]

Dear Mazarey

You are right.

Pushto was only recognised as the Official language of Afghanistan a few decades ago of its 300 or so years of history.

Do not worry about Afghanistan taking Pakhtunkhwa away from Pakistan. Its never ever going to Happen. It only takes a few passages from the Quran and a emotional Kutbah by Pakistan and there you go, Afghans such as Pashtuns will be ready to unite with Pakistan in the name of Religion.

Do not take offence to this REAL FACT, majority of Afghans such as Pashtuns despise Nationalism. Pakistan is very much in control of Afghanistan and especially Pashtuns, Tajiks were the first to be used but they realised they are being used by Pakistan and that resulted in Ahmad Shah Masood burning down the Pakistani Embassy in Kabul.

Pashtuns in Afghanistan are showing "Zero" attempts to reclaim Pakhtunkhwa as their ambitions are much more bigger i.e global khalifate, Islamic state(Taliban).

every resistance group in Afghanistan is highly influenced by Pakistan and it only takes a few arrests and a cut of supplies and the Afghan Taliban can not function or fight correctly.

Pakistan is very much under-estimated. In Pakhtunkhwa there is not a single Pashtun Nationalist Party who has a policy of Returning to Afghanistan, they speak of Pashtun Unity but they happily receive their Pension from the "Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan".

Plus the tablighi Jamaat which is another organisation which is highly influenced by the Pakistan Army and its Generals has a huge following among pashtuns, if one visits their Tabligh in Raiwand you will see Pashtuns from Quetta, Waziristan up to Peshawer in the 1000's listening to Punjabi Mullahs.

Afghans themselves choose to align themselves with CIA/ISI and lured the Soviets in. They slaughtered their own president being Najibullah and even sliced his testicles off and started hugging their "Bhai Jaans from Pakistan".

There is no movement in Afghanistan that is working to Unite Pashtuns on the contexts of Abolishing the Durrand line, Uniting all tribes, working for the betterment of the Pashtun people and the modernisation of the land.

So those in the west, do not get your hopes up too much. Pashtuns in Pakistan and even those from Afghanistan are very much happy to live and work in Pakistan even they are discriminated against, I see absolutely nothing done against it by Pashtuns, maybe a few Protests by Pmap(only when their members are harmed) but on the other hand I have seen myself Pashtuns to be too much forgiving when it comes to economical issues.

Another aspect most here have ignored is the FACT that even if Pakhtunkhwa joins Afghanistan, there will be total civil war, Tajiks and Hazaras WILL NEVER ACCEPT another 10 or 20 million Pashtuns and It will not take long before blood shed happens, plus its not a reasonable nor a good idea to waste time fighting them.

Kind Regards

who is this?zaid hamid writing this comment.

your ass must be hurting very bad knowing that pukhtunkhwa will be retaken.

"Another aspect most here have ignored is the FACT that even if Pakhtunkhwa joins Afghanistan, there will be total civil war, Tajiks and Hazaras WILL NEVER ACCEPT another 10 or 20 million Pashtuns and It will not take long before blood shed happens, plus its not a reasonable nor a good idea to waste time fighting them".
you have been drinking too much koolaid and soon will wake up to the facts.
and taliban are not pro pakistan,thats all propaganda.
people such you are known to be traitors to this nation.

[graveyardofempires]

A Pashtun State is the only reasonable suggestion.

Loy Afghanistan is just another ambitious campaign by those former ruling Tribes of Afghanistan to once more rule over Pashtuns but favour their own tribal lineage.

you can move to punjab or india if you are not happy.
there is an Afghanistan from Amu river till atok and beyond.

you are just a slave trying to margenalise us.
but believe me there is more to it than you are trying to project here.

Pashtuns have woken up and soon you will see inqilaab.

[laevanay]

All the questions you have put up here point to your lack of maturity and lack of deeper knowledge of the issues. Typical Paki-media propagated half-truths and blatant lies. One wonders a real Pashtun can even say these things.

Its very easy to create excuses, blame the source, blame the poster, blame the media but if these are wrong please produce something to refute these allegations...

Then start from the beginning and refute these alegations. If that is too difficult then start with the treatment Pakistani Pakhtuns gave to Afghan Pakhtuns... do you honestly think we treated our "guests" any better when they were refugees in KhyberPakhtunkhwa?

[MazloomYarMasud]

you can move to punjab or india if you are not happy.
there is an Afghanistan from Amu river till atok and beyond.

you are just a slave trying to margenalise us.
but believe me there is more to it than you are trying to project here.

Pashtuns have woken up and soon you will see inqilaab.

Dear friend.

You have Nek Mohammad Wazir in your DP. If you had any knowledge or clue of the person you have posted you would know that it was Nek Mohammad Wazir who stated "Wazirs under his command are the atomic bomb of Pakistan and he will defend Pakistan at all costs". The same person on your DP allowed a 11th core Punjabi Pakistan Army commander into Shakai and drank tea with him. Do not embarrass yourself.

What has Punjab or India got to do with this buddy, there are 1000s of Pashtuns from Afghanistan who have houses all over Sindh and make a lot of money in Pakistan. Do you think they really give a toss about Pashtun Unity? The Pashtuns in Afghanistan are currently blowing up schools,attacking their own army and police and running and hiding in Pakistan after attacks.

[graveyardofempires]

Dear friend.

You have Nek Mohammad Wazir in your DP. If you had any knowledge or clue of the person you have posted you would know that it was Nek Mohammad Wazir who stated "Wazirs under his command are the atomic bomb of Pakistan and he will defend Pakistan at all costs". The same person on your DP allowed a 11th core Punjabi Pakistan Army commander into Shakai and drank tea with him. Do not embarrass yourself.

What has Punjab or India got to do with this buddy, there are 1000s of Pashtuns from Afghanistan who have houses all over Sindh and make a lot of money in Pakistan. Do you think they really give a toss about Pashtun Unity? The Pashtuns in Afghanistan are currently blowing up schools,attacking their own army and police and running and hiding in Pakistan after attacks.

you have no right to talk about great nek mohammad with your filthy mouth
he was the one who did a ceasefire with your hypocrite government and than got killed by the same slaves of zionists.

those pashtuns who supposedly are doing well and got some money and dont care about the casue ,than no one cares about them either.

you are a liar and there is no need to talk to someone who has brain of a paki rat.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

you have no right to talk about great nek mohammad with your filthy mouth
he was the one who did a ceasefire with your hypocrite government and than got killed by the same slaves of zionists.

those pashtuns who supposedly are doing well and got some money and dont care about the casue ,than no one cares about them either.

you are a liar and there is no need to talk to someone who has brain of a paki rat.

Is that the way to reply to someone?

[Manzareh]

like mazloom said:

"Loy Afghanistan is just another ambitious campaign by those former ruling Tribes of Afghanistan to once more rule over Pashtuns but favour their own tribal lineage."

The former head leading tribes are simple 'nobodys' now, we pashtuns are equal, they cannot handle this, they need a heirarchy system to look down on people..you see and meet people saying "wer not just normal pashtuns we are from so and so lineage" "my great great grandfather was xyz" and im like "dude, who gives a flying damn"

[ScimitarXEdge]

Mazlum claims he lives in Pashtunkhwa, but mentions a typical North American kids drink like Koolaid?

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think someone isn't who they say they are.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Dear friend.

You have Nek Mohammad Wazir in your DP. If you had any knowledge or clue of the person you have posted you would know that it was Nek Mohammad Wazir who stated "Wazirs under his command are the atomic bomb of Pakistan and he will defend Pakistan at all costs". The same person on your DP allowed a 11th core Punjabi Pakistan Army commander into Shakai and drank tea with him. Do not embarrass yourself.

What has Punjab or India got to do with this buddy, there are 1000s of Pashtuns from Afghanistan who have houses all over Sindh and make a lot of money in Pakistan. Do you think they really give a toss about Pashtun Unity? The Pashtuns in Afghanistan are currently blowing up schools,attacking their own army and police and running and hiding in Pakistan after attacks.

This is from the same guy who said

"Well done America" after claiming enmity towards the American CIA.

I would like to see actual references for these quotes.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

^^he grew up in the west, like other Pashtuns. No harm in that, and plus with easy access to cable north american sayings are common now.

[graveyardofempires]

Is that the way to reply to someone?

i,ll choose my words differently nest time.