Lindsay Graham's Bases

[Toramana]

Don't worry. This is Khyaal bibi old tactic, a very old one. He has done it to his friends and foes. When ever the heat is turned on him, he gets personal and dirty. That is because they run out of arguments, and when their own arguments are taken apart.

Now instead of dealing with your arguments and points, they are diverting attention from the issue to your identity and motive. This is one of the oldest tricks in the books to save face. And used mostly by intellectual cowards.

For all we know you could be an agent, you could be that Punjaabay from Paki defense forum, though there is no way to prove or disprove any of it since it's your word against mines. Logically speaking then, it is best to refute your points. However, the cry babies have already whining. hahahahahaha

Mr Wrayun, the point is, we have to know about his identity because it is important for us to know which stand-point is he talking from...

He knows things about Afg-Paki issue but only from Pakistani perspective...don't kick vainly in the air again...we know how to deal with yours as well as his empty arguments....

Congrats for joining PakDef forum...

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Toramana! Plz don't respond to him until he replies to our questions.

Ok, Mr. Barakzai! just tell us what book have you consulted for Pashtuns' pedigree?

Ok, I will let Admin Khan and others discuss the lineage of the Muhammadzai clans of the Barakzai tribe with you. I will let them educate you on Payenda Baba and his father Haji Jamal Khan Muhammadzai. You are beginning to demonstrate such paranoia that your faculty of reason has given way.

Ill be back later, I have some things to do attend as my vacation ends soon.

[khyaal]

Khyaal Saib, you have an issue with an imposter in your midst who has definitively proven he has little knowledge of the Abdali tribal system. I suggest that to strengthen your stand on things you abandon Toramana.

Regarding Afghan authors who addressed this subject amongst other issues, I read Karmals work and attempted to understand his genesis. I even read Najibs statements on the subject. For that matter, I have listened to multiple of Achekzai's lectures and read his father's manifestos.

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LOL. OK. Just tell us what, btw, is Mahmood khan achakzai father's manifesto?

And what is the name of his father?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Mr Wrayun, the point is, we have to know about his identity because it is important for us to know which stand-point is he talking from...

He knows things about Afg-Paki issue but only from Pakistani perspective...don't kick vainly in the air again...we know how to deal with yours as well as his empty arguments....

Congrats for joining PakDef forum...

This coming from an Enduring Freedom translationalist who cannot live with himself for betraying his people...

As the forum shall see, I offered up evidences. You offered up idiocy in regard to misunderstanding the MOST BASIC element of the LEADING PASHTOON tribes.

Gee Toramana, was Zahir Shah a Barakzai or Muhammadzai??? Is Karzai a Shamizai or a Popalzai?

You are a disgrace.

[Wrayun]

Yes. Identity and motives become important when imposters and insiders have the potential to do harm, especially when they are in the guise of friends.

And what about your identity, and your motives? Anyone can claim that you have dubious intentions as well, particularly when you use multiple nicks and employ treachery to get your point across. Replying to yourself, hi-fiving your self, thanking your self, handicapping debates by using your multiple nicks. Using your typical smear campaigns and below the belt tactics. The same tactics that left KW empty. If Zaid had banned people like you from earlier on, that forum would be thriving. But it was too late. Your dirty games and tactics destroyed that lively forum. Are you here to do the same?

The Admin should run a check on all of you, and ban all of your multiple identities. If he needs help, I can certainly provide it. You have more to loose in this identity game Khyaal saib, then I or anyone else. You should know that.

Zan ta kar gore! Ma pe se?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

LOL. OK. Just tell us what, btw, is Mahmood khan achakzai father's manifesto?

And what is the name of his father?

Abdul Samad Khan you dolt. I wrote a whole nother post on the subject long ago regarding how Achekzai murdered his way to the top. You are welcomed to search it.

[khyaal]

And what about your identity, and your motives? Anyone can claim that you have dubious intentions as well, particularly when you use multiple nicks and employ treachery to get your point across. Replying to yourself, hi-fiving your self, thanking your self, handicapping debates by using your multiple nicks. Using your typical smear campaigns and below the belt tactics. The same tactics that left KW empty. If Zaid had banned people like you from earlier on, that forum would be thriving. But it was too late. Your dirty games and tactics destroyed that lively forum. Are you here to do the same?

The Admin should run a check on all of you, and ban all of your multiple identities. If he needs help, I can certainly provide it. You have more to loose in this identity game Khyaal saib, then I or anyone else. You should know that.

Zan ta kar gore! Ma pe se?

OK. Just tell here to friends what other nick I have used in this forum?

[Toramana]

Here Toramana, for your reference, a schematic breakdown of the Barakzai tribe:

http://www.nps.edu/programs/ccs/Docs...ai%20Tribe.pdf

Note the Muhammadzai division.

You just keep hammering yourself man. You keep making yourself out to be a fool without even a basic understanding of the Zirak and Panjpai power structure.

Each comment you state exposes you further. As I have noted above, I have nothing to to hide, IP address and all. Its simply you have lived a lie so long, being an agent of disinformation that you can no longer identify with anyone who is upfront.

If I have already read up so thoroughly on Afghan history, why would I purposely thrust out the work of Fida Younis and Taizi? I already knew that exposed me to attack regarding any Pakistani centric associations. However, you asked me a question in regard to which pashtoon authors I read up on, and I answered you honestly and straight forwardly.

Achekzai and his ilk are also Pakistani and have written book after book after book on the subject. However, you clearly have an issue with accepting our Pashtun brethren on the other side of the Durand line as our brothers because each time they offer a text, you reject it if it does not suit your view. Yet your criticism applies to Achekzai as well. In fact, he works within the Pakistani government itself.

Dont you see how foolish you continue to look?

I never asked you that question...i.e., which Pashto book did you read...It is that you as slip of tongue are saying things that are exposing you further and further...Now, as for your IP...that is ridiculous to use that to confirm your identity...

By the way, which of Taizai Saib books did you read? Can you tell me something about the subject matters of his books that you read...?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

People once again get back to the topic. None of us can say who the other is, so we will take each other's word for it. Lets get back to the topic.

[khyaal]

LOL. Mahood Khan's father made his own manifesto. This is ridiculous.

[Wrayun]

Mr Wrayun, the point is, we have to know about his identity because it is important for us to know which stand-point is he talking from...

He knows things about Afg-Paki issue but only from Pakistani perspective...don't kick vainly in the air again...we know how to deal with yours as well as his empty arguments....

Congrats for joining PakDef forum...

and how many times has this Khyaal questioned your character and motives because you disagree with him on the whole Loy Afghanistan thing? You should know better by now.

N' wtf is this pakdef forum?

[khyaal]

and how many times has this Khyaal questioned your character and motives because you disagree with him on the whole Loy Afghanistan thing? You should know better by now.

N' wtf is this pakdef forum?

LOL. Wrayun saib we know each other very well. Btw, contrary to Toramana, you are an obvious Paki apologist.

[khyaal]

Wrayuna!

Do you think we don't understand your real political motives ?

[Wrayun]

LOL. Wrayun saib we know each other very well. Btw, contrary to Toramana, you are an obvious Paki apologist.

Yes, you know him very well, and even then you disrespect him and malign him, time and again. What does that say about you and your character?

Yes, I am a Paki agent, and Paki apologist. I hope now you can go to sleep better at night. The scared little paranoid kid you are. For once, try to look at yourself, and analyze how you come off and what you make yourself out to be. Nothing that you should be proud of. If this is the best your side and thinking has to offer, how truly sad.

[Wrayun]

Wrayun and Barakzai live in Secular countries, yet they refuse pashtuns in Pashtun land not to live under the laws that they wake up too. Why the double dealing, why the double standards Wrayun and Barakzai????

Da gha khalq sarangee khoobina ka wee? ISI pa lusa banay meez tool Hewad Khrup ka weee.

Wrayun and Barakzai are obcessed with Arab Supremacy and want to use it to keep us divided and oppressed.

Wrayun this wrayun that wrayun this blah blah blah...

You went from pro loy afghani to pro talibani to pro pakistani to pro pukhtikawi! Whatever I am, thank God I'm not you.

Cheers!