What is your idea to change the future of Afghans

[Baygham]

This is not true at all Baygham wrora. Many Christian agencies and philanthropists have donated to Haiti, Pakistan and Afghanistan. How many did they end up converting? All Christian dominant countries are active in Afghanistan. How many Christians do you find in Afghanistan after a decade?.

Haiti is a christen country. The whole agenda of a missionary service is to spread the word of the Gospel. However the laws of the secular states that these agencies reside in are such that they cannot discriminate on basis of religion whether in the country or outside or they loose their tax benefit, which is millions and millions of dollars. So it may appear that they are not doing this based on some drive from Christ to help dying muslims. Some are cover for other state activities, in short any outside agency that is doing dirty work for you, has an agenda, whether it is from the catholic church or George Soros. That agenda at times conflicts with the agenda of the peaple that they show they are serving.

It is therefore a 100 times better to develop internal institutions to do what these outsiders are doing.

Islam teaches us that we are all the same. Foreign and not foreign really does not matter. I am from Kandahar, you are probably from Peshawar I guess. That makes you foreign, are we all of a sudden different? We are 1 human. We bleed the same.

That again is not true. Islam has never allowed for the integration of diverse elements of society under equal rights. I am not talking about peace. If the Jews and christens lived under arab kings they did so as second class citizen, that could not be kings or army chief or other such things.

Now if I say a Kandahari cannot be a minister (a modern equivalent) and only peshawaries will be ministers will you accept that system. I am sure you will not.

similarly Islam has always preached the hegemony of one group. If one family got in power it used islam for 100's of years to cling to throne. Is God only pro Abbasi, umaya and ottoman.

How many time has their been a peaceful transition of power in Islam in 1400 years between two diverse groups, never. The transition between muhammad and abu baker and abu baker to umer was the same group. From there on onwards its been one group or the other, never peaceful. How can we than say that all citizens of a geographic space will have equal rights in Islam. They wont, they never have had and never will.

[Baygham]

This is not true. Millions of Americans donated and hundreds of Organizations donated without getting anything back in return.

The point Bayghama is these Aid agenecies at times have no bad intentions. They truly want to help. Although I think missionaries might have hidden agendas but many of those Islamic Relief and others just want to see humanity be successful.


Absolutely, I am with you on that one.


Islam preaches unity. If its followers want to misintrepret the Religion for its own causes. Is that our fault?

If a relief organization establishing a relation with a successful internal organization and under its wings, they may do what they want. Without such oversight its better to not have them, like education, is a jahil pakhtoon not better than the salafi madrassa education trained talib.
Now to get a bowl of boiled rice while you starve in chest deep river water is difficult to reject. But letting others bail us out like this has consequences. And we are seeing the results of this handout mentality on our culture. The elite will rather see the populace suffer to get their hands on some aid money. Do you remember CIA/ punjabi/ arab help against russians, ideally we should have rejected them through internal mechanisms but hey I understand beggers cant be choosers. And beggers dont get to govern and rule either.

Arabs are a minority today Baygham Jaan. What about Ahmad Shah Baba from Kandahar? He created the largest empire of his time. Wasnt he a Muslim?[/

The ruling class is always a minority. There are only 5% alawi's in syria, yet they control everythign, there are only 60 thousand saud family members, yet the country in their grasp-totally. How many generals does the paki army has less than 500. In contrast democratic secular countries have a broader base and relatively more avenues of advancement.

The shudras were a majority and are a majority amongst Hindus. Ask any educated human being on earth whether they would like to be a hindu shudra and if you found one I will be impressed. yet many in the west consider hinduism and are impressed with Yoga etc. They dont see themselves as shudras but as a different entity. When they talk of hinduism they see themselves as brahmans, but will never consent to the imposition of hidhu social cast system on themselves.

In salafi wahabi islam the Brahmans are the saudis, that spot is taken, only the shudra spots are available for foot soldiers. And as a pashtoon I am not interested.

As far Ahmad shah baba, well the dynamics of his empire are not applicable today. first we are very backward in relation to other regional armies, so looting a neighbouring country will be hard. And imposing a ruling class (even a pakhtun family) is not in our interest as a nation.

[Fahd]

just love well make evry thing go to heaven
it's easy just clear ur heart