Norway Is Teaching Male Immigrants How to Treat Women

[BarakzaiAbdali]

The problem again is, their mind is blocked, they will only follow their narrative, from whatever cherry picked sources they get it from. They will never have open their minds to other opinions out there, this is why these people remain backwards all their lives. They live in free/secular environments in the west, yet still support states like Taliban/ISIS.

I mean look at this Barakzai arguing that Taliban are of (Pashtun) culture. As a Pakistani, I am in no position to interfere in Afghan politics, but it so stupid to think that millions of people of a ethnic group are suppose to follow strict/conservative culture, in which women get no education and are locked up all their lives. Yet he himself in the west enjoys everything available.

He doesn't realize cultures change with time, 100 years ago, Indian culture was very strict, women had no rights, yet today they are much more open minded over all. He wants Pashtuns to remain backwards, while other parts of the world advance in everything. He doesn't realize that culture can advance, in keeping with Islamic identity

Here is an example of the type of hypocritical trash you are asking me to support:

In 1994, however, Karzai’s advice to the diplomats was that they should support the Taliban. American diplomat Richard Smyth, the US consul general in Peshawar at that time, remembered him coming to his office. “Karzai said: ‘they are disciplined, they have vision and its not based on parties like we have right now.’ I think Karzai thought this system would help him also. To be any kind of leader, you are what the country needs at that time. Karzai was ambitious, for the good of the country, I think.” Smyth was sceptical, but he asked Karzai to arrange a meeting with the Taliban. “That took a while, but he arranged it in the end.” The Taliban asked for support according to Smyth, but the diplomat said they were not taking sides. Karzai went one step further with his friend Norbert Holl and asked him if he should work for the Taliban. “He went several times to Rome to meet the King in exile, but also met the Taliban in Gulf states.” Holl said that “trying too many things at the same time would jeopardise his credibility”. Karzai would ignore that advice and until the end of 1996 was in the race for a job with the Taliban. […]

But however generous Karzai was toward the Taliban, he couldn’t gain the trust of the senior Taliban rulers or Mullah [Muhammad] Omar himself. He first sent his half-brother Ahmed Wali Karzai to Yar Mohammed […] and then to Mullah Ghaus ([both] Popolzai Taliban) who were both in Kandahar. Please let him be the UN ambassador, his half-brother said. Both said that Mullah Omar didn’t support the idea. After another visit, Mullah Ghaus said: Mullah Omar prefers a little Talib over Hamid Karzai, sorry

https://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/scenes-of-afghan-history-hamed-karzai-before-2001/

[BarakzaiAbdali]

And it was only after he was rejected that the term "modern secular" Afghan began to creep into this opportunistic roach's dialect:

“Mullah Omar had problems with trusting Hamid Karzai. He had too many links with the foreigners.” Also staff members in the ministry had doubts. “He is working for the CIA, I am sure”, they assumed.

By the end of 1996, after it became clear Hamid Karzai would not get a job at the UN, Karzai was in the office of the US Secretary of State in Washington, begging for American support for ‘modern, educated Afghans’.

The point is that by NOT understanding Pashtun society and by repeatedly maligning one side of this conflict without understanding the role the other side had in galvanizing and radicalizing the other - it is bound to doom Afghanistan into another 2-3 decades of unnecessary war. All because you and that b-itch Khaista Jiggalo Khan have no grasp of reality and how countries develop through internal dialogue.

There was a brief period of time during Zahir Shah and Nadir Shah's reign where this was occurring (it was one time period where for once AFghanistan was not being actively invaded) - this is not to say that Zahir or Nadir were not idiotic because they also were and the former did little to nothing for his Pashtun people and Pashto language. But one thing he understood was that there was the rural urban divide and that time, exchange via education, and stability would bring some resolution instead of trying to enforce Ataturkic murderous thuggish violent militant secularism.

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[tilla_jogian]

There is problem of afghandus muhajirs raping in western countries. Last year they gang raped german lady in refugee center. And karachi harami nasal ke kiire stop calling your self Pakistani or I will punch you through internet.

[tilla_jogian]

The thing is, these people are stuck in a box, they can't think out of that box because their minds are closed by the ideologies they follow.

A guy like him who is educated could do so much for Afghanistan and Afghan people, yet he still chooses to support backwardness known as Taliban. Also I never understood why and how Taliban became symbol of Pashtun nationalism to these people, even though nationalism itself is Haram in Islam and Pashtuns just 20-30 years ago had nothing to do with Taliban. This is very strange and weird

Taliban are indeed pashtun nationalists. Their way of life is not different then other conservative pashtuns of FATA if you take out terrorism. You think pashtuns from FATA allowed their girls to go to school before Taliban? There has been gradual change in FATA and things are now better in FATA then they were in 80's for women.

Now you see many women from FATA going in collages in Pakistan, before they were likely not allowed to go out of house. Probably because Taliban doesn't have this kind of hold in FATA like they have in east afghanistan. Taliban just are not interested in modern education for women, they want things to stay same as they were like 100 years ago. Its not like there was freedom for women folk before Taliban was formed as some people want us to believe here. Westen raised kids have no idea about actual situation on ground in their native regions.

[DaZahroJaam.]

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As of this moment and as far as I am concerned, the subject of whether Taliban and ana are decent or not is no longer open for discussion. Clearly you are not in the mood to change your opinions or listen to mine and neither am I. So why waste my time??

And don't try to act like a smartass. I am 5 steps ahead of you. I have never in my life, stepped foot in to Edmonton.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

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[BarakzaiAbdali]

As of this moment and as far as I am concerned, the subject of whether Taliban and ana are decent or not is no longer open for discussion. Clearly you are not in the mood to change your opinions or listen to mine and neither am I. So why waste my time??

You have opinions and I have facts. You and the dog washer crew here continue to use the canard - "your sources are biased! and your sources are cherry-picked" without providing a single rebuttal or evidence of that.

Lol. what you haven't reconciled yet is that my goal is not to convince you. My goal is for non-biased observers to see your cliched and wildly erratic arguments based on khamaa and face book posts versus my solid impact factor ones.

This is why nearly every visitor here - including US military that have had a vested interest (e.g. SiiNii) have always thanked me and, because, unlike you, they don't have your parsizubaan biases ---> they invariably examine the two sets of evidences and arguments at hand and form their own opinion based on the evidence that offsets yours.

So by all means, receding will help your cause looool because most folks on the fence wont be swayed by the stupidity of what you have to offer up for argument (which is low quality low impact factor negligible evidence). So yes, you have opinions and I have facts.


And don't try to act like a smartass. I am 5 steps ahead of you. I have never in my life, stepped foot in to Edmonton.

As I said, it doesn't concern me.

You watch waaaay too many FOB videos for your own good.

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[DaZahroJaam.]

I can't decide whether I want to talk about you being an egomaniac, the obedient dog like characteristics required of one in order to serve in the army or finish my ice cream but if I were you, I wouldn't fall that easily for people's praises of you.. People who join the army in America are constantly observed by psychologists and examined physically as well as mentally. Who ever is thanking you or doing whatever is causing you to gloat about it online wouldn't last long in the army or peace for long if he was in fact the person he or she claims to be .

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I can't decide whether I want to talk about you being an egomaniac,

Pot, kettle, black

the obedient dog like characteristics required of one in order to serve in the army

Like the ANA? Oh I forgot most of them are Shamali thugs of Dostum or Fahim's former friends. They are more like retarded rabid dogs.

or finish my ice cream

What flavor? I am partial to salted caramel or mocha chip.

but if I were you, I wouldn't fall that easily for people's praises of you..

Lol. You still don't get it. These people came in with preconceived notions - saw what they saw there, started to question, found a place where solid sources confirmed there suspicions that the DZJ faction was spewing pure bullsh-it to get them to fight their war and are the better for it.

Whats more is if you can get a Badlun type to admit your point - which he has a multitude of times - indicating that his overarching goal is to crush the religious sentiment out of Pashtuns - you've certainly won the argument.

An immoral but evidence and logic based person like that will be see by the audience as conceding the point - and once again most honest unbiased uninvolved people will have to make a choice at that juncture - and if morals and evidence combine - they will reject you, the Green Zone crap you guys have created, and the Great Baldini in the green cape that couldn't get a job with the Taliban.

People who join the army in America are constantly observed by psychologists and examined physically as well as mentally. Who ever is thanking you or doing whatever is causing you to gloat about it online wouldn't last long in the army or peace for long if he was in fact the person he or she claims to be .

LOL. Yet 2 have met me in real life and are writing up their experiences. Ron Paul has the highest donations generally amongst military folks because there is a sneaking suspicion that the DZJ Shamali types are recruiting them to do their dirty work. Moreover, many vets have come out against the wars. So once again, you made a non evidence based, retarded opinion based assessment. These people aren't congratulatign the "gloating" they are reciprocating by sending their own finds on the net of some of these strong sources that decimate your vantage point.

I cant believe someone wasted ice cream on you

[DaZahroJaam.]

Seriously?? You are going to call me a shamaliwal while bragging about having coffee with a man who happened to have served in the military??
I am going to clip off my toenails and watch some tv or something.
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[BarakzaiAbdali]

Seriously?? You are going to call me a shamaliwal while bragging about having coffee with a man who happened to have served in the military??

Lol, your point being? If someone is brave enough (e.g. Matthew Hoh, Matt Snow etc) to have realized that they were hoodwinked by the likes of you and Baldy - they deserve recognition for being able to understand "the other." A great many Russians in the Russ Fatha Wakhth who even converted to Islam, Assange, Greenwald, Scheuer, Snowden etc are all good men that prefer moral convictions and truth.

Any person of that caliber can have coffee with me any time. If they are smart enough to get the notion that you and yours are full of sh-it and that they don't need to murder, maim, and carpet bomb for your gain to build this bizarro never existant out of touch with reality Jamba Juiceistan Green Zone reality ... kudos to them.



I am going to clip off my toenails

Too much detail. I am betting you have Athlete's foot.

and watch some tv or something.

I bet coffee with you is the most boring experience in the history of mankind

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[Karachi]

Taliban are indeed pashtun nationalists. Their way of life is not different then other conservative pashtuns of FATA if you take out terrorism. You think pashtuns from FATA allowed their girls to go to school before Taliban? There has been gradual change in FATA and things are now better in FATA then they were in 80's for women.

Now you see many women from FATA going in collages in Pakistan, before they were likely not allowed to go out of house. Probably because Taliban doesn't have this kind of hold in FATA like they have in east afghanistan. Taliban just are not interested in modern education for women, they want things to stay same as they were like 100 years ago. Its not like there was freedom for women folk before Taliban was formed as some people want us to believe here. Westen raised kids have no idea about actual situation on ground in their native regions.

They are KKK's of pashtuns, no way all pashtuns would want to live in caves rather then like normal human beings. My point is they do not represent Pashtuns as a whole, even though they claim too. They are a fringe groups trying to take over pashtun identity, and of course they are backed by Pakistan as a proxy

[tilla_jogian]

They are KKK's of pashtuns, no way all pashtuns would want to live in caves rather then like normal human beings. My point is they do not represent Pashtuns as a whole, even though they claim too. They are a fringe groups trying to take over pashtun identity, and of course they are backed by Pakistan as a proxy

Point is they want things to stay as same as they were like 100 years before, they have stopped progress but everything was not ideal before them. The few pictures of Kabul women from 60`s afghanis spam on forums are not representives at all as far as afghan pashtuns are concerned.

Anyway there has been gradual change in FATA when it comes to women education, and this will get only better in coming decade. Though things will likely get worse in Afghanistan because unlike in Pakistan, Taliban in Afghanistan are like Jamati Islami of Pakistan so integral part of it.