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    Forced cultural assimilation is looked down upon for good reason—it privileges the value system and traditions of whatever the home country is, reinforcing the marginalization of the immigrant. What happens, however, when the immigrant’s culture generally tolerates violence against women?
    Norway has begun offering a controversial program that seeks to reduce the potential transfer of that violence, by working with male immigrants from countries in which women are not permitted to show skin or be publicly affectionate. These courses coach the men in European sexual and social practices, teaching that smiling and flirting are normal, and that “if a girl is drunk it does not mean she is willing to do anything.”
    The New York Times reports that thus far, other European countries have been hesitant to offer similar training, for fear of stigmatizing migrants. In fact, the stereotype that looser immigration policies will increase rape is one oft-invoked by anti-immigration politicians.

    From the Times:
    In Denmark, lawmakers are pushing to have such sex education included in mandatory language classes for refugees. The German region of Bavaria, the main entry point to Germany for asylum seekers, is already experimenting with such classes at a shelter for teenage migrants in the town of Passau.
    Norway, however, has been leading the way. Its immigration department mandated that such programs be offered nationwide in 2013, and hired a nonprofit foundation, Alternative to Violence, to train refugee center workers in how to organize and conduct classes on sexual and other forms of violence. The government provided funding for two years to pay for interpreters for the classes and is now reviewing the results and whether to extend its support.
    One asylum center manager explained to the Times that the goal is that participants will “at least know the difference between right and wrong.”
    A course manual uncontroversially reads: “To force someone into sex is not permitted in Norway, even when you are married to that person.” It clarifies: “[Regardless of faith,] the rules and laws nevertheless have to be followed.”
    The course materials also, reportedly, avoid making immigrants the perpetrators of sexual violence, using a Norwegian man named Arne as an example of what not to do, and an immigrant named Hassan as one who is “honest and well-liked.”
    “Men have weaknesses and when they see someone smiling it is difficult to control,” said Eritrean immigrant and course participant Abdu Osman Kelifa to the Times. “[In Eritrea,] if someone wants a lady he can just take her and he will not be punished....[In Norway,] they can do any job from prime minister to truck driver and have the right to relax.”

    "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."






  • #2
    Norway has a long history of Iranian, Afghan, Kurdish, Somali and Arab men raping and harassing women.

    Many immigrants and refugees have attacked and hurt refugee women or native Norwegians.

    I believe all Western countries should do this When I use to work for various healthcare services, I saw many cases of Afghan men who have abused women.

    We do have a major problem. 12 years ago I was with two former employees of Afghan ministry of national security. Back then I use to go to bars and drink. I was with these two men who were both almost twice my age. One of them couldn't hold his drink and went outside to throw up. The other guy saw this two fat ugly peasant girls with loads of make up. He ordered drinks for them and sat next to them. The next moment, he asked one of them if he could have sex. The woman said no and he looked surprised.

    I was shocked. I couldn't believe that he actually said that. I know villagers in Afghanistan don'tt know much about life in the West, but I was expecting a little more tact from these two "educated and roshan feker" dudes from Kabul.

    The guy came back and sat at our table and started cursing those women in dari.

    I tried to tell him that it is rude to say that and not all women are *****s. But he wouldnt listen. He kept cursing them and he seemed aggressive.

    Misogyny is a major problem among immigrants in Western countries. The men are a threat to not only women from their own communities but also for native white european women.

    They sexually harass women at swimming pools and they shout profanity at them if the women refuse to act like prostitutes.

    This video is made to ridicule our people and it may be very offensive to some, but after seeing many men from Middle Eastern and Asian background in Europe for years, I must say this depicts their mindset pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkTZ8BVAlFE
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      I was shocked. I couldn't believe that he actually said that. I know villagers in Afghanistan don'tt know much about life in the West, but I was expecting a little more tact from these two "educated and roshan feker" dudes from Kabul.

      Why?? Were you in the position to judge them for lacking tact when you yourself were there, sitting your ass in a bar with peasant hookers?? Tactful people don't choose the company of people who tend to brag about their alcohol holding abilities, after they claim to have repented from their man***** like ways.

      "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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      • #4
        Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
        Why?? Were you in the position to judge them for lacking tact when you yourself were there, sitting your ass in a bar with peasant hookers?? Tactful people don't choose the company of people who tend to brag about their alcohol holding abilities, after they claim to have repented from their man***** like ways.
        Looks like you are not much better than those misogynist men. You assume that bars are some sort of sex clubs.

        But I am not surprised. After observing your erratic behavior on pf for the past 4 years, I have come to conclusion that you are most likely suffering from all sorts of mental illnesses. You know, I no longer feel the urge to direct you to mental health care institutions. It seems, you are not interested in being helped. At least I have full filled my duty as a fellow human being.

        Hopefully someday even you are cured.
        Originally posted by Firdousi
        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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        • #5
          Listen to this, ladies and gentlemen. Bars and clubs are not for indecent behaviour. Mullah Omar destroyed all those schools only so he could build disco clubs for women to spend their time in. Perhaps mullah mansour would like to build a couple of them for the women in your village?? Because apparently, according to our genius here, if you think drinking in a bar is not appropriate behaviour for an afghan, you are a misogynist with various mental illness.

          "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
            Norway has a long history of Iranian, Afghan, Kurdish, Somali and Arab men raping and harassing women.

            Many immigrants and refugees have attacked and hurt refugee women or native Norwegians.

            I believe all Western countries should do this When I use to work for various healthcare services, I saw many cases of Afghan men who have abused women.

            We do have a major problem. 12 years ago I was with two former employees of Afghan ministry of national security. Back then I use to go to bars and drink. I was with these two men who were both almost twice my age. One of them couldn't hold his drink and went outside to throw up. The other guy saw this two fat ugly peasant girls with loads of make up. He ordered drinks for them and sat next to them. The next moment, he asked one of them if he could have sex. The woman said no and he looked surprised.

            I was shocked. I couldn't believe that he actually said that. I know villagers in Afghanistan don'tt know much about life in the West, but I was expecting a little more tact from these two "educated and roshan feker" dudes from Kabul.

            The guy came back and sat at our table and started cursing those women in dari.

            I tried to tell him that it is rude to say that and not all women are *****s. But he wouldnt listen. He kept cursing them and he seemed aggressive.

            Misogyny is a major problem among immigrants in Western countries. The men are a threat to not only women from their own communities but also for native white european women.

            They sexually harass women at swimming pools and they shout profanity at them if the women refuse to act like prostitutes.

            This video is made to ridicule our people and it may be very offensive to some, but after seeing many men from Middle Eastern and Asian background in Europe for years, I must say this depicts their mindset pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkTZ8BVAlFE

            Its a continuum. In all phases of empire and history, as a country/world power becomes structured, powerful in terms of autonomy/resource allocation/outward power projection, wealth accumulation, social welfare oriented- egalitarian values spread.

            As a nice short essay on the matter, I refer you to a fascinating piece by military historian Joseph Glubbs:
            http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

            Go to page 15 and read it should you get a chance.

            So I would say that its not something inherent in the design of middle eastern, African, Afghan etc men.... this is merely the phase of history we are in.

            I recall this famous video that impacted a generation in the US.. it was a part of the social engineering effort because that behavior you describe was actually rampant here amongst the caucasian population:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3oYb1nSPg

            Even now, at the highest centers of learning we see remnants of this behavior:
            http://www.thecrimson.com/article/20...arvard-womens/

            I've known the opposite - I recall one good looking Afghan mishr who walked the straight and narrow that I asked about how he felt with his wife being overseas and away from him. His response? He teared up and said, "what kind of question is that? Of course I miss the jwind malgare"

            A part of it is that when you get to know and converse with the caucasian population they may expose that side of their culture in front of you...

            Take for instance the more autonomous Muslim nations (truly autonomous without an autocrat) like Turkey - Islamists and secularists alike, whether they be from Istanbul or Anatolia, are not as prone to this sort of behavior.

            A few of the Iranian physicians told me that their embassy already has some course on how to interact with the new culture they will be apart of and at work and outside they tend to be more subdued... and if they are drinkers they are not glaringly obnoxious.

            In poorer pockets of the Western nations (deep rural Ireland, ghetto areas of the US) you also see a more sexualized free for all aggressiveness that you speak of.

            I guess the point is that I dont think its inherent to all men from that side of the world, and if its common amongst immigrants - its as a result of the factors I note.
            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
              Its a continuum. In all phases of empire and history, as a country/world power becomes structured, powerful in terms of autonomy/resource allocation/outward power projection, wealth accumulation, social welfare oriented- egalitarian values spread.

              As a nice short essay on the matter, I refer you to a fascinating piece by military historian Joseph Glubbs:
              http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

              Go to page 15 and read it should you get a chance.

              So I would say that its not something inherent in the design of middle eastern, African, Afghan etc men.... this is merely the phase of history we are in.

              I recall this famous video that impacted a generation in the US.. it was a part of the social engineering effort because that behavior you describe was actually rampant here amongst the caucasian population:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3oYb1nSPg

              Even now, at the highest centers of learning we see remnants of this behavior:
              http://www.thecrimson.com/article/20...arvard-womens/

              I've known the opposite - I recall one good looking Afghan mishr who walked the straight and narrow that I asked about how he felt with his wife being overseas and away from him. His response? He teared up and said, "what kind of question is that? Of course I miss the jwind malgare"

              A part of it is that when you get to know and converse with the caucasian population they may expose that side of their culture in front of you...

              Take for instance the more autonomous Muslim nations (truly autonomous without an autocrat) like Turkey - Islamists and secularists alike, whether they be from Istanbul or Anatolia, are not as prone to this sort of behavior.

              A few of the Iranian physicians told me that their embassy already has some course on how to interact with the new culture they will be apart of and at work and outside they tend to be more subdued... and if they are drinkers they are not glaringly obnoxious.

              In poorer pockets of the Western nations (deep rural Ireland, ghetto areas of the US) you also see a more sexualized free for all aggressiveness that you speak of.

              I guess the point is that I dont think its inherent to all men from that side of the world, and if its common amongst immigrants - its as a result of the factors I note.

              I didn't say that is in our nature. I am part of that heritage and descent. I never felt compelled to attack, abuse or hurt women. But I do acknowledge the fact that we are having a problem.

              The problem has become more apparent to me due to my encounter with many abusive men over the past few years. Likewise, I have heard and read about many cases of abuse, rape and harassment.

              Personally, I feel embarrassed and ashamed because the behavior of these people is seen part of our culture, religion or race.

              What bothers me even more is the fact that there aren't many people who are speaking against these matters in public.
              Originally posted by Firdousi
              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                I didn't say that is in our nature. I am part of that heritage and descent. I never felt compelled to attack, abuse or hurt women. But I do acknowledge the fact that we are having a problem.

                The problem has become more apparent to me due to my encounter with many abusive men over the past few years. Likewise, I have heard and read about many cases of abuse, rape and harassment.

                Personally, I feel embarrassed and ashamed because the behavior of these people is seen part of our culture, religion or race.

                What bothers me even more is the fact that there aren't many people who are speaking against these matters in public.
                In Sweden people do speak against this in public, but Afghans do think that girls in bars or discos are ****s and if they are harrased then they have asked for it. Rape is not in the culture, but rape victims are always blamed and this men take advantage of that attitude.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                  In Sweden people do speak against this in public, but Afghans do think that girls in bars or discos are ****s and if they are harrased then they have asked for it. Rape is not in the culture, but rape victims are always blamed and this men take advantage of that attitude.
                  I was talking about Afghans. For instance, in Kabul, men think it is perfectly normal to grope women who are dressed immodestly. They think they are doing a good job by touching such womens private parts.

                  Everyone knows that this is happening thats why many men believe women want to be harassed. In fact, they don't allow their own female relatives out but when they get the opportunity they physically harass other women.

                  When I confronted a person who was doing this, he said I look at for my female relatives, if some other man doesn't because he doesnt have ghairat then it's his problem.

                  This is how these people think. That's how perverted, insane and stupid they are.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #10
                    Don't make it seem like they are doing a public service. They do it to women of all ages and regardless of how they are dressed. I have seen a 60 plus year old toothless woman being harassed while she was wearing a chadari.

                    "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BarakzaiAbdali View Post
                      Its a continuum. In all phases of empire and history, as a country/world power becomes structured, powerful in terms of autonomy/resource allocation/outward power projection, wealth accumulation, social welfare oriented- egalitarian values spread.

                      As a nice short essay on the matter, I refer you to a fascinating piece by military historian Joseph Glubbs:
                      http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

                      Go to page 15 and read it should you get a chance.

                      So I would say that its not something inherent in the design of middle eastern, African, Afghan etc men.... this is merely the phase of history we are in.

                      I recall this famous video that impacted a generation in the US.. it was a part of the social engineering effort because that behavior you describe was actually rampant here amongst the caucasian population:
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3oYb1nSPg

                      Even now, at the highest centers of learning we see remnants of this behavior:
                      http://www.thecrimson.com/article/20...arvard-womens/

                      I've known the opposite - I recall one good looking Afghan mishr who walked the straight and narrow that I asked about how he felt with his wife being overseas and away from him. His response? He teared up and said, "what kind of question is that? Of course I miss the jwind malgare"

                      A part of it is that when you get to know and converse with the caucasian population they may expose that side of their culture in front of you...

                      Take for instance the more autonomous Muslim nations (truly autonomous without an autocrat) like Turkey - Islamists and secularists alike, whether they be from Istanbul or Anatolia, are not as prone to this sort of behavior.

                      A few of the Iranian physicians told me that their embassy already has some course on how to interact with the new culture they will be apart of and at work and outside they tend to be more subdued... and if they are drinkers they are not glaringly obnoxious.

                      In poorer pockets of the Western nations (deep rural Ireland, ghetto areas of the US) you also see a more sexualized free for all aggressiveness that you speak of.

                      I guess the point is that I dont think its inherent to all men from that side of the world, and if its common amongst immigrants - its as a result of the factors I note.
                      Lol a Taliban like you using the word "Islamist" is so idiotic.

                      These things happen because of morons like you who promote Taliban/Isis cultures, where only men dominate and women are slaves.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                        I was talking about Afghans. For instance, in Kabul, men think it is perfectly normal to grope women who are dressed immodestly. They think they are doing a good job by touching such womens private parts.

                        Everyone knows that this is happening thats why many men believe women want to be harassed. In fact, they don't allow their own female relatives out but when they get the opportunity they physically harass other women.

                        When I confronted a person who was doing this, he said I look at for my female relatives, if some other man doesn't because he doesnt have ghairat then it's his problem.

                        This is how these people think. That's how perverted, insane and stupid they are.
                        This is all due to the brainwashing in mosques. My relatives tell me how mullahs in kabul were talking about good and bad women, The only good women are the ones who stay at home, women who work outside in public are ****s and should be treated in a such a way, thats why you see men groping all the women outside and they do not allow their own women go out. Becuase women out of the house is automaticaly a loose women who just wants to be groped and harrased, thats the culture you Islamist have brought to Afghanistan. Congrats on this!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                          Lol a Taliban like you using the word "Islamist" is so idiotic.

                          These things happen because of morons like you who promote Taliban/Isis cultures, where only men dominate and women are slaves.
                          Yes and look how this animal tries to cover it up by saying its normal and it is done by white men also. LOL. This bitch does not even like when Afghan men dress in jeans, a white mens clothes, but somehow when they harras women it perfectly ok, becuase the white men also did this and are still doing it. How retarded can you be

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            Lol a Taliban like you using the word "Islamist" is so idiotic.


                            These things happen because of morons like you who promote Taliban/Isis cultures, where only men dominate and women are slaves.
                            Wow Crotch-E, you really love holding those ankles and spreading them behind cheeks for those caucasio Canucks up there dont you? I take no issue with using the word Islamist or Secular - both are viewpoints and stances that are semi defined.

                            You on the other hand can go on using your fair and lovely creams and pertending that the root causes that every study and every expert have identified as the true causes of extremism (i.e. Western interventionalism) are lies just so Harper will call you Bill or Steve instead of your true given Muslim name.

                            Every month you get dumber and dumber and less productive with your pandering posts.

                            You went from being the b-itch that was wife hunting and "getting advice" on how to get married (and instead being the model of rejection and subsequent white worship) to the super b-itch that examines Bollywood star dresses.

                            Even addressing you is a waste of time.
                            "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                              Yes and look how this animal

                              LOOOOL, being called a higher order animal by a lower order roach is a complement

                              tries to cover it up

                              Really, lol, this is a comedy routine right? History is now a cover up?

                              by saying its normal

                              Reading for comprehension was compromised when they lobotomized that segment of your brain and left you with a half slope eh?

                              and it is done by white men also.

                              Nice attempt to attract red light district customers.... the caucasian is your key customer distribution ... I guess this is a business building tactic for the greatest jiggalo on earth.

                              LOL. This bitch

                              LOOOOOL, no no PF Roach, the b-itch in common parlance is the reciever kuni aka you.

                              does not even like when Afghan men dress in jeans,

                              Oh really? So now ethnic Afghan clothes are a problem for you too? Dang slave girl, are you trying to touch your sloped head to the ground while doing your jiggalothope? Is that how dumb you have become?

                              a white mens clothes, but somehow when they harras women it perfectly ok,


                              Dont even worry about women - you, being the male for male escort here should focus on your own customer base

                              becuase the white men also did this and are still doing it.

                              LOL, if thats your interpretation of how societies have progressed then its no longer a wonder about why you failed your exams.

                              How retarded can you be


                              A down syndrome kid (aka a retard according to you) could school you in basic concepts of reading for comprehension so I would hesitate if I were you to use that term since the intelligence gradient puts you very very downstream from a Trisomy 21.

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