Daa Gaz aw Da Maydan

[Toramana]

But anyhow, as for the polls, I don't like to live with Tajaks, etc. not that I hate them but for very practical reasons. South Asia is more creative, more productive, and more democratic compared to Central Asia and Middle East and it also gives us an outlet to the outside world via its ports. Furthermore, large number of Pashtuns (more than they are in the north of Afghanistan) have settled in Karachi (where they are the second biggest ethnicity, are politically more organized than Pashtuns in the north of Afghanistan, more sensitive about their distinct identity, and are increasingly making further inroads into the businesses, etc.). They in large numbers are buying lands in Islamabad, Attock, etc. as well and also have moved in greater numbers into Abbotabad as well...

Once, this Punjabi-Muhajir domination is diluted (which inevitably will be like Pashtun domination in Afghanistan has), there is no hitch living in a Union of Indus Valley States kind of thing. By the way, Pashtuns have looked more towards South Asia historically than any other adjoining region.

I have stepped back kind of from the merger in a Pashtun-exclusive state.

[Admin Khan]

But anyhow, as for the polls, I don't like to live with Tajaks, etc. not that I hate them but for very practical reasons. South Asia is more creative, more productive, and more democratic compared to Central Asia and Middle East and it also gives us an outlet to the outside world via its ports. Furthermore, large number of Pashtuns (more than they are in the north of Afghanistan) have settled in Karachi (where they are the second biggest ethnicity, are politically more organized than Pashtuns in the north of Afghanistan, more sensitive about their distinct identity, and are increasingly making further inroads into the businesses, etc.). They in large numbers are buying lands in Islamabad, Attock, etc. as well and also have moved in greater numbers into Abbotabad as well...

Once, this Punjabi-Muhajir domination is diluted (which inevitably will be like Pashtun domination in Afghanistan has), there is no hitch living in a united Union of Indus Valley states kind of thing. By the way, Pashtuns have looked more towards South Asia historically than any other adjoining region.

I have stepped back kind of from the merger in a Pashtun-exclusive state.

So what you are explicitly implying is that since Pashtuns of Pakistan are going through a series of improvement and they should just leave things the way they are and not necessarily work for the improvement of our ties across the line? I understand Karachi is home to millions of Pashtuns but I am sort of confused with the underlying concern behind your post. If you can dear brother, please further elaborate on your thoughts. Also, Please correct me if I am wrong about your post. That was the drift I got from reading it. However, forgive me if I am wrong in my assessment. I look forward in engaging in a constructive dialogue with you, in which we can learn from one another.

[Toramana]

Admin Khan, thanks for your query.

In another thread ComradePashtun has posted an article togethor with the comment that "the onus lies on Pashtuns of Pakistan", which is, implicitly, telling the Pashtuns from Pakistan, "if you want a merger or union that is possible only under a Loy Afghanistan otherwise go your own way". Now Pashtuns of Pakistan are around 30 millions people--- a pretty vibrant community with- for bad or good- more stake in the status-quo than the Pashtuns of Afghanistan.

I fear Pashtuns of Afghanistan are too deeply mired in history/historical legacy and just one model of national assertion is imprinted on their minds i.e., to kind of regain the lost status vis-a-vis the minorities in a united Afghanistan. It is impossible for them to disassociate from the minorities even if better models are available and the reasons more seems to be cultural fascination with the minorities or the egoistic self-image as founders of Afghanistan than any concrete (economic, etc.) motivation or better future prospects.

Pashtuns of Pakistan have pragmatic reasons and may be you will also opine are brainwashed.

Now the question of unification is such that for which both Pashtuns have to sacrifice---I mean a mutually compromised solution has to be found and alternative models thought out. It is not appropriate that one Pashtun sets conditions for the other to meet to attain the unification in face of the fact that the later one is majority and has to give up more in terms of good life in order to achieve the much-cherished unification although you would argue good life is not every thing...Moreover, after the fall of the so-called Pashtun monarchy, Pashtuns of Pukhtunkhwa no longer consider Afghanistan to be the center of Pashtun political power.

Anyhow, looking at this, I think other models have to be found ...I say let us retain our turfs/statuses but find an arrangement that would enable both Pashtuns to interact (no visa restriction, etc.). There are good chances that within a period of one or two decades, a gradual unification would invisibly happen...

[ComradePashtun]

But anyhow, as for the polls, I don't like to live with Tajaks, etc. not that I hate them but for very practical reasons. South Asia is more creative, more productive, and more democratic compared to Central Asia and Middle East and it also gives us an outlet to the outside world via its ports. Furthermore, large number of Pashtuns (more than they are in the north of Afghanistan) have settled in Karachi (where they are the second biggest ethnicity, are politically more organized than Pashtuns in the north of Afghanistan, more sensitive about their distinct identity, and are increasingly making further inroads into the businesses, etc.). They in large numbers are buying lands in Islamabad, Attock, etc. as well and also have moved in greater numbers into Abbotabad as well...

Once, this Punjabi-Muhajir domination is diluted (which inevitably will be like Pashtun domination in Afghanistan has), there is no hitch living in a Union of Indus Valley States kind of thing. By the way, Pashtuns have looked more towards South Asia historically than any other adjoining region.

I have stepped back kind of from the merger in a Pashtun-exclusive state.

I don't understand your hostility towards the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and their prominence, so much that you equate it with in the same breath as Panjabis' and hence your ridiculous conclusion. That is one.

Secondaly, comparing our dominence with Panjabis' is fundementally not right and flawed. You believe in what you want, but our declince is simply our own making and only we ourself have undermined us, not Tajiks and others despite what ever arguement you may bring up. The true story is that we are too divided ideologically, we were Khaqi, then Mujahid, Ikhwani, and now this new cult and craze Whabism and Talibumbism. JUST IMAGINE IF WE SPOKE WITH ONE HEART AND MIND.

Show me one Tajik, Hazara, Uzbak ideological prominent party. Heck even the Jamiatis were not, and the merely 4 years of their anarchic rule over Kabul they only came together and Parchamites, Jamiatis, Setamis and the rest all became one. Our Hekmatyar killed and decapitated every single qualified Khalqi Pashtun civilian and military elite, where as Massoud did the opposite and drew his stregth from the qualified Parchamis to withstand every one.

Look at the mess we are in as a result of our own ahmaqtoob. Without us nothing is possible. Mark this word and that I challenge you. We are still the dominant group and we are determined than ever to preserve what is rightly ours. zmosh irradee da tareen na hum ochatee dee (Khyal Muhammed's tune)

[ComradePashtun]

Khafa nasee ta Panjab ta hood hood kawa and pa teelo sar gwarrawa... hahah that is a one epic lyric by that Turab guy. Just joking.

[Toramana]

ComradePashtun, I have no issue with the pre-eminance of Pashtuns in Afghanistan (rather that makes me extremly happy) if that is really the case. Secondly, the fall of every dominent group is in most of the cases its own doing.

In my opinion, the more pressing issue is, the Durand Line is a geopolitical fault line (when combined with Pashtun tribalism and the clash of interests between regional and global powers in Central-South Asia and the issues of self-determination elsewhere e.g., Middle East, Russia i.e. Chechans, China i.e., Ughurs, etc. ). The greatest challenge for Pashtun is, what kind of relationship if not unification between the two Pashtuns will eliminate the threat from this line to the future generations of Pashtuns.

I think this later question is more important rather.

[Mayana]

I support Loy Afghanistan.

I cannot accept the thought that we today are trying to split up what our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers shed their blood for. Why would we strive for something different than what we already lived a prosperous life in?
See, Afghanistan's beauty is in its diversity.
And on a different and more practical note, I don't see how a Pashtunistan would be constructed and what fundamentals it would be based on. First of all, how are you going to explain to the Pashtuns of Afghanistan that "Hi, I am XY and I offer you a new nation. All you have to give up for that is all you, your ancestors and your tribe ever stood for."? Secondly, what are you going to base it on? What political standards? One will have communist tendencies, others will have Islamic tendencies. How are you going to agree upon how to run the country when all of us have opinions, and strong ones at that?
We have our differences, and if we here can't even agree with our fellow Pashtuns and tribe-members , what makes us think that we will agree on a standard of how to run a nation started from scratch?

[ComradePashtun]

Toramana,

Normalisation of relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan where at the centre of it should be Pashtuns. Anything short of that and autonomy for Pashtunkhwa (which is not turned upside down by Panjab for strategic depth) which is not a national security threat to Afghanistan is recipe to the same destructive terrorist politics and cycle of catastrophe. I know what you are really saying. And we need to be clear about this. As you see the little Afghanistan becomes stable the dire the situation becomes on the east side of this line. Only Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns can change this, but they are in my view are too appologitic patriots (of course not all but too many) che Panjab har tsa pa kawi.

Afghanistan will NEVER accept any dictation from Pakistan, it never have and it never will, not in million years just incase some hope that. Taliban would have bitten them back.

[ComradePashtun]

Toramana,

Khushala woosa peera aw hets gham makawa, Afghanistan de hum watan dee aw khudai ba khair ke hets da laasa nadee tlaly. Poh swe. And da makhkenai post de pa zaii dai aw circumstances sara ba chaleezhoo aw khpalee ghatee ba serve kawoo. dunya pa yaw keedo rawana da no mosh Pashtana ba sook belwee, hasee waste of time ba ye wee da koshash yee. Only stronger Afghanistan can make our dreams come true.

[Khan Gul]

Khabarey derey sar ye yao: Ya Loy Afghanistan ya Pukhtun khwar!

[Nokia_Apridy]

Shadow Caster, let's leave the argument of unification to the side for a second, and we will attempt to focus on the linguistic boundaries here.

You said,
"Tell me why would I like to fight for such a land where my kids have to learn Farsi?"

Who said they will be learning only Farsi? And even if they do learn Farsi, German, French and Chinese, Is that a problem? You have learned English haven't you? Are you aware that Pashto is taught in nearly all the provinces of Afghanistan? Are you aware that in the South, the Baluchis,Hazaras,Tajiks,Uzbeks and many other ethnic groups can properly write,read and speak in Pashto? With all due respect my dear brother, we should acknowledge our weakness and work on strengthening our shortfalls. Urdu will overtake Pashto if we don't quickly establish schools that teach Pashto in KPK. But that doesn't mean we should hate Urdu or Farsi. Its our fault for taking so long, we should have initially told our politicians that we want Pashto, It should have been the first thing instilled in their mindsets. But it's still not late, we are Pashtuns, we don't give up that easily.

In fact, you should not only learn Farsi, but you should learn German, French,Chinese and Spanish. We should only constructively and professionally criticize Persian-speakers when they attempt to belittle,under-estimate and insult our beautiful language[Pashto]. I personally admire bilingual speakers. I can speak 5 languages and I hope to learn more. I am presently trying to learn Bengali, and so far, I can understand most of it. Nonetheless, the ability to speak many languages benefits you in all sorts of way, employers love bilingual employees. Due to my lack of time, I will offer you a quick example. In my company, a person who can speak multiple languages is offered an interview much faster as opposed to someone who can only speak English. Why? Because when you reside in a multicultural society, we must learn more than 1 language if we expect to be successful and marketable. If you want to see the status of Pashto,visit the Afghan governmental websites, when they are usually hiring an employee, they specifically state, "Candidate must be fluent in Pashto and Dari". However, I think I am going off in a tangent again, my point dear brother is, If you and others truly care for Pashto, I would urge you to get your Ph.D in Pashto, that way you can serve as a Professor and teach more people this language of heaven.

People have sacrificed their lives for Farsi, they have written textbooks and flooded the world with them. To be honest with you, I find it intriguing that hardly any of us want to study Pashto but we all wish to see it equal to English or French. A language requires dedication brother, for Pashto to keep its prestige, we need a devoted set of people who study and research it and perhaps simplify the teaching process since many people complain 'its difficult'. I love Pashto and I am confident everyone who is posting on this site loves Pashto but we can't constantly attack other languages hoping by us bringing those language down, we can perhaps put Pashto on a higher level. In ground realities, that is not how it works. Pashtuns can never get rid of Urdu and Farsi. Similarly, Tajiks,Uzbeks,Hazaras,Punjabis and others cant get rid of Pashto. However, mark my words if we don't continue to study Pashto, and if we lack teachers, we will witness a significant decline in Pashto speakers. Put it this way, how can prospective students, who have a desire in learning Pashto ever learn Pashto if we lack textbooks and teachers?

I completely understand the emotional aspect of your post as I can see why and where most of your self-afflicted pain has came from. However, responding back with hate isn't the answer. We should never insult a foreign language. We should respect the speakers of other language, and trust me brothers, they will respect us back. Things are getting better Shadow Caster. On a more positive note, I experienced a sudden and profound burst of creative exuberance when I was told Pashto will soon be mandatory in all schools in KPK, I hope its well-implemented and properly embraced by the inhabitants of KPK.

Sta wror,
-Admin Khan

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تېره ورځ مې د نيويارک ټايمز سرمقاله لوسته، چې په کې د ولسمشرۍ دفتر ريس عمر داودزي په اړه ډېر څه ليکل شوي و، حتا يو څو څنګزنې اشارې یې ولسمشر ته هم کړې وې، چې دوی ټول د ايران په خوږو روږدي دي او ګوندې هره مياشت په ملياردو ډالر دوی ته د ايران د حکومت لخوا بخششي (رشوت) ورکول کېږي، تر څو د دوی د موخو ننګه وکړي او همدارنګه د دوی پلانونه په افغانستان کې تطبيق کړي.

د ايران دا کارونه خو له پخوا هم جوت و، چې د افغانستان په ټولو اړخونو او برخو کې یې لاسوهنه کوله او د يوه کوچني مامور يا پياده نه نيولې هان دا دی تر ولسمشرۍ ماڼۍ پورې یې لاس اوږد کړی. په تېرو ټاکنو کې يې هم په ډېره پراخه پيمانه لاسوهنه کړې او د نيمروز ولايت يوه ښځينه وکيله چې ګواګې ايرانۍ ده هغه خو يې تر پارلمانه ورسوله او داسې به یې نور څومره د ولس انګړ ته بدرګه کړي وي، چې په دې برخه کې ځينې افغان مشران هم له دوی څو برابره مخکې دي او دوی ته په دومره صداقت کار کوي، چې ته به وايې دوی اصلاً ايرانيان دي.

په افغانستان کې د ايران مذهبي، سياسي، کولتوري او ... اغېز دومره ډېر دی، چې څه موده مخکې يې د ايراني وفادارانو پر مټ د امروز تلويزون هم بند کړ، چې د ايران د مداخلو په اړه يې سندونه وړاندې کول او همدارنګه د ايران سفیر، چې نېغ په نېغه یې لوی څارنوال ته امرونه کول، چې د هغو افغانانو پر ضد دې کړنې يا اقدامات وکړي، چې د ايران پر ضد خبرې کوي.

زه په کلکه له ولسمشر کرزي او نورو لوړپوړو ادارو يا چارواکو څخه غوښتنه کوم، چې د نيويارک ټايمز د راپور په بشپړه توګه څېړنه وکړي او تورن کسان پوښتنو ږروېږنو ته راوغواړي، ځکه چې د يو هېواد دومره لوړ پوړي کسان د ګاونډي هېواد په پلوي يا چوپړ کولو تورن شي نو دا خو بيا ټول ولس په وېره او ډار کې اچوي، چې ګواکي دوی ټول د یوه ګاونډي هېواد د ګټو لپاره قرباني ورکوي او همدارنګه زه د اوسني دولت داسې کړنې په کلکه غندم او هیله لرم، چې دوی نور په خپلو ګرېوانونو کې سر ښکته کړي او په غمځپلي ولس زړه وخوږوي، ځکه چې دې ولس ډېر دردونه او کړاونه ليدلي او ويني یې.

په درنښت

[Zayam]

Khabarey derey sar ye yao: Ya Loy Afghanistan ya Pukhtun khwar!

....and now I am suppose to take my flash-cards and see if I can decipher what Khan Gul wrote???

Because I think it was Roshina but maybe someone else, who once said, he doesn't often comment, but when he does, one should pay attention.