Which country you hate the most?

[Toramana]

@gulmeena, you say, English doesn't have side effects. Why not? It does have side effects like through English you get exposed to evil Western infidel thoughts and values. Internet also has side effects e.g., you mingle with "na-muharams" and have access to things which are not adequate.

I think to preserve the piety the GREAT PAKISTANI MUSLIM CIVILIZATION has imbibed in you, youn must refrain from using evil things like English, Internet, etc.

[drona]

Sheyesta said:

You meant Afghans who had turned into Persians but today's generation are waking up while your Rupees are still jingled without mingling with richer Rupees, hu?

So funny
Seriously, Why would the richer rupees allow themselves to be devalued by mingling with their cheaper cousins

~Drona

[Shayesta]

^ Because the richer ones could use the poorer ones for things like suicide bombs, terror attacks and etcetera in the name of Islam? Sshh, don't tell anyone! :O

I have never seen a pakistani punjabi claiming indian punjab to his land.

Yeah, stealing Kashmir is more than enough, init? And Indian part of Punjab hasn't been snatched from them but the other way round, so what right do they have over Indian Punjab land, ha?

Afghans are involved in criminal activities in pakistan because they consider KP to be their mor-plaar jagir?

Says the one who is being terroristic active in Afghanistan for the exact same reason!

and what about your currency,who is backed up by US dollars....

ROFL!!! Amazing to see how you turn this debate into economical debate since you run out of words, LOL! And about our economy, one day like your country if we start boosting our economy by sucking blood as well, then we can talk.

for pushtuns its still their priority and for punjabis we dont need them to speak it,

Then why should it be the case for Tajiks then? Or are you now gonna say you never meant it this way in first place?

though most panjabis in pukhtunkhwa speak pushto and even without intermarriages they are mixed up with pushtuns like that of persians in afghanistan.

And all non-Pukhtoons in Kandahar, Nangarhar, Laghman, Kunar, Wardak, Helmand, Khost, Paktia, Paktika, and any other Pukhtoon-dominated area you can name speak fluent and pure Pukhto and that also without facing intermarriages, plus they count in Pukhto as well. Yeay, aren't you proud!? :D

if pushtun live in punjab they are obviously gonna learn punjabi.if they live in sindh they are obviously gonna learn sindhi and the same goes for other provinces.

And exactly same goes for a Pukhtoon who lives in Kabul city which is 75% non-Pukhtoon or Northern cities which even reduces the numbers, right?

plus pushtu is one of the favourite language in pakistan that is liked by all and songs in pushto are even sung by people of other provinces that are not even pushtuns....

Even Hazaras, Uzbeks, Kohistanis, Nurestanis and other races sing in Pukhto in Afghanistan as well; Surprise! And one of the favorite languages, ha? Was that the reason for the language not being recognized?

what about dari?

And what about Urdu? Seriously, what about it?

if in afghanistan dari can influence pushtu then how in pakistan other languages cant influence pushtu?

My my my, you do have a reading-problem don't you? I was talking about Kabul city which always has been Tajik dominated, not entire Afghanistan. God! And besides, I have seen the way Tajiks brought Dari even to Pekhawer and even your own anthem is in Dari, while Pukhto has absolutely no major value there. How sad, na?

here is your answer for your own question

Are you trying to play hide and seek here? Because I seriously got no idea what you are on about?

its indeed the joke of the day

Exactly, and even funnier than that are the examples set up by Pekhawri films.

no replies for useless comments

Then why did you just reply?

i feel something is going on somewhere.

And I am proud of you for following their footsteps! Really!

are you sure?

No, I am still in doubt. LOL, is that all you could come up with?

stop screaming insults!..if you cannot swollow a healthy discussion then better dont take part...

A 'healthy' discussion where you accuse Pukhtanas of wearing miniskirts and follow Western tradition while jeans and miniskirts are worn in entire world by people from every single nation? Healthiness my foot! And now don't say you weren't talking about Pukhtanas because this discussion was Pukhtanas and their cultures, not Tajiks and our culture!

yea thats what i am pointing at,that now why wearing jeans and shirts

No, that's not what you were pointing at. You are claiming Kabulis represent entire Afghan nation by wearing miniskirts while you get piss off out of your head when any Afghan claims the same by calling all Pakistanis Punjabis! You even adapted the Western language as your national language, and then you talk about culture?

yup you are right its western costume,then why your persioafghanis wear it....

How about that's none of your business? Kabulis don't represent all Tajiks and even if they do then you fail miserable in an argument regarding Pukhtoons by literally replacing us by Tajiks, because we do not have the same lifestyle as majority 'original' Kabulis!

why they dont follow their own culture? why they dont represent pushtun culture of a pushtun state?

So because they were jeans they are not following their own culture? They don't refer to themselves as Afghans? They are Westerners since they wear jeans and miniskirts (where their legs are hidden but for your own satisfaction you lie it's not)? Did you ever wear Punjabi clothes? If yes then are you a Punjabi now? Do you expect all of them to wear Rakhte Afghani at all times, everywhere? Even Punjabi clothes isn't Pukhtoon culture, why do Pukhtoons wear Punjabi clothes? Western or Punjabi, both cultures are alien to us so before criticizing anyone at all of following 'Western culture', take a closer look at people a bit nearer to you following Punjabi culture.

karachi is the part of sindh and not punjab.urdu as official language is spoken there.

And Dari has been spoken as an official language since Afghanistan's existence (even in Kabul) while Pukhto became an official language over three decades ago. Now what is all this fuss about if you end up contradicting anyway?

And about pushtuns i would say from where you got such news that pushtuns living in karachi are punjabis.pushtuns in karachi are in excess but such a news that all pushtuns living there are punjabis is not true.

Now where did I state Pukhtoons in Karachi are Punjabis? I have seen so-called Yusufzais myself there who don't speak a word of Pukhto, and Pukhtoons who actually don't even live one generation there speak Urdu with their uncles, aunts, etcetera; And that also while Karachi got millions of Pukhtoons. And then you criticize Pukhtoons of Kabul city who are only in thousands?

and the case isnt the same as pushtuns dominate karachi and so is pushtu...while kabul is dominated by dari not pushto.right?

LOL, Pukhto is dominating Karachi? You have got to be kidding me! And since you yourself state Karachi is being dominated by Pukhtoons, Kabul city at least never had Pukhtoon majority! And besides, you and your type of people will be shocked and disappointed at the same time by looking at the rise of Pukhto in Kabul today; That also seeing we form a vast minority in the city.

then how can you say so confirmly that pushtuns in pakistan has lost their culture to punjabis,it may be the other way round.

How can you so confirmed call us Persians then? You haven't even set a foot in Afghanistan while I have visited major areas of Pakistan? And you never claimed Pukhtoons intermarry with Punjabis but said Pukhtoons are influenced by Persians and therefore intermarry Persians, so why would Punjabis lose their culture to Pukhtoons if no intermarriage takes place between them anyway?; If according to you one can only lose culture due to intermarriage? At least read what you write.

okay so the domination of pushto is only 50% according to your figures.right?

Not dominance of Pukhto, dominance of Pukhtoons per region. Before the wars Herat used to provide at least half of our national income while today Mazar is doing an amazing job in infrastructure, education, etcetera. Nangarhar could very well have formed a higher level than both of them, if the insurgency stops once and for all!

i am listening to shyesta and thats why i didnt abuse her in return...thats where your intellect and maturity comes.

By lying about a nation so they come across as cheap to others, what maturity and intellect are you bring to this discussion you funny person? I haven't even insulted you for throwing lies after lies at us!

[Toramana]

Luffy I am so sorry to say it but one can have only petty on you for the level of loyalty to Punjabis. Look at the poll options that you have set up here in an attempt to deflect the hatred from Pakistan to US, etc.

And one can clearly see from the post above what extent can you go to, to degrade your own people. Are you really a Pashtun? Or is some body watching you to reward or punish you later for the qaulity of duty that you perform here?

If you are a real Pashtun, you should go answer Jinnah Army who is insulting not only you but the whole Pashtun/Afghan people. The only interpretation from the Jinnah Army post is, those Pashtuns working with them or for them are just "foot soldiers" or "mercenaries".

You can criticise Parsiwanans but have no right to degrade Pashtuns/Afghans.

[gulmeena]

[QUOTE=Toramana;204407]@gulmeena, you say, English doesn't have side effects. Why not? It does have side effects like through English you get exposed to evil Western infidel thoughts and values. Internet also has side effects e.g., you mingle with "na-muharams" and have access to things which are not adequate.
lol!!! you misunderstood me,but my mistake was that i forgot to write the word "extent"....as by that post i meant to say "the effect of language is not too intense as that of actions"
well by the same language we can learn science and technology...but what we want to teach our pushtuns by presenting them ballets,are these things necessary for exceling in science and technology?is this the only way to look like people of 21st century....
if one speak english it doesnt mean he should start wearing western outfits,he should get involved in all those things that right now west is into....
if it comes to intellect then lots of people learn lots of languages,but by learning language one doesnt mean to loose all his traditions and customs to that language
BTW the only thing i could get from your post is that what ever they represent is justified.right?

Internet also has side effects e.g., you mingle with "na-muharams"

bachuvery zama pa khyal tha os domra hum wara na yi chi pa di asoolono na pohigi.ao ka na za ghalatha yam?
how scholar can give such a statement.eh?

have access to things which are not adequate.

well thats upon one's approach...but to show your image in a totally different way cannot be co-related to using internet....hey! i am talking about pushtuns,dont forget yourself,you great guys.

I think to preserve the piety the GREAT PAKISTANI MUSLIM CIVILIZATION has imbued in you must refrain from using evil things like English, Internet, etc.

lol!!! my answer still remains the same as i guess you do understand what i meant by evil things in my posts.its not a difficult thing for a scholar to percieve such simple statments.am i right?
na zamong bara ki khabara khu zaka daltha thaso sara na suit ki gi chi thaso tolo great pashtuns tha khu mong da mora duzakhyan khkaroo...
zamong khabara zaka hum ma kawa chi mong khu da staso dapara da hamesha na bad yo....
daltha khu khabara da staso de pure race rawana da...
daltha tha punjabian pukhthana khpal great pukhtano sara ma compare kawa.khafa na shai khu khula mo pi bada khkari...:p

[khyaal]

Luffy I am so sorry to say it but one can have only petty on you for your level of subservience to to Punjabis. Look at the poll options that you have set up here in an attempt to deflect the hatred from Pakistan to US, etc.

And one can clearly see from the post above what extent can you go to degrade your own people. Are you really a Pashtun or is some body watching you to reward or punish you later for the qaulity of duty that you perform here?

If you are a real Pashtun, you should go answer Jinnah Army who is insulting not only you but the whole Pashtun/Afghan people. The only interpretation from the Jinnah Army post is, those Pashtuns working with them or for them are just "foot soldiers" or "mercenaries".

You can criticise others but not Pashtuns/Afghans.

LOL. The poor house negroes!!

[Michin Khel]

Luffy I am so sorry to say it but one can have only petty on you for the level of loyalty to Punjabis. Look at the poll options that you have set up here in an attempt to deflect the hatred from Pakistan to US, etc.

And one can clearly see from the post above what extent can you go to, to degrade your own people. Are you really a Pashtun? Or is some body watching you to reward or punish you later for the qaulity of duty that you perform here?

If you are a real Pashtun, you should go answer Jinnah Army who is insulting not only you but the whole Pashtun/Afghan people. The only interpretation from the Jinnah Army post is, those Pashtuns working with them or for them are just "foot soldiers" or "mercenaries".

You can criticise Parsiwanans but have no right to degrade Pashtuns/Afghans.

i am not degrading pashtuns/afghans, i am just reminding them of some ground realities. I have been banned from many pakistani forums for taking stand on afghanistan, i care for my people, i dont want them to thrive on hate.

[Master Khan]

Its funny how some pakistani say they hate USA, lol USA gives them alot of money, right they are still on the Map because of US

[Toramana]

i am not degrading pashtuns/afghans, i am just reminding them of some ground realities. I have been banned from many pakistani forums for taking stand on afghanistan, i care for my people, i dont want them to thrive on hate.

Don't you think you yourself have resorted to displaying glaring hate-mongerism e.g., you are saying Afghans/Pashtuns are involved in criminal activities ?

[Michin Khel]

Don't you think you yourself have resorted to displaying glaring hate-mongerism e.g., you are saying Afghans/Pashtuns are involved in criminal activities ?

I am a peshawari and i know best in this regard.

[gulmeena]

ROFL!!! Amazing to see how you turn this debate into economical debate since you run out of words, LOL! And about our economy, one day like your country if we start boosting our economy by sucking blood as well, then we can talk.

lol!!! you yourself dragged rupee into discussion and so i gave you the answer....

Then why should it be the case for Tajiks then? Or are you now gonna say you never meant it this way in first place?
And all non-Pukhtoons in Kandahar, Nangarhar, Laghman, Kunar, Wardak, Helmand, Khost, Paktia, Paktika, and any other Pukhtoon-dominated area you can name speak fluent and pure Pukhto and that also without facing intermarriages, plus they count in Pukhto as well. Yeay, aren't you proud!? :D
And exactly same goes for a Pukhtoon who lives in Kabul city which is 75% non-Pukhtoon or Northern cities which even reduces the numbers, right?
Even Hazaras, Uzbeks, Kohistanis, Nurestanis and other races sing in Pukhto in Afghanistan as well

from all these statements i got my answer.dude!
you feel both pakistan and afghanistan comparable...
nice to know that.atleast you accepted that what ever is going on in both regions is justified.eh?
And what about Urdu? Seriously, what about it?
huh?
do you really take urdu under consideration.i really doubt that....

Surprise! And one of the favorite languages, ha? Was that the reason for the language not being recognized?

lol!!! i am even more astonished by your reply,as how you say in pakistan its not recognized yet?

My my my, you do have a reading-problem don't you? I was talking about Kabul city which always has been Tajik dominated, not entire Afghanistan. God! And besides, I have seen the way Tajiks brought Dari even to Pekhawer and even your own anthem is in Dari, while Pukhto has absolutely no major value there. How sad, na?

so what?does that matters?after all its a main place in afghanistan.isnt it?

And besides, I have seen the way Tajiks brought Dari even to Pekhawer and even your own anthem is in Dari, while Pukhto has absolutely no major value there. How sad, na?

i dont think there is anything questionable about pakistan,as for you guys it has all the bad things in it.so how for justifying your acts you drag pakistan...after all you guys belong to a pure society.isnt it?

Are you trying to play hide and seek here? Because I seriously got no idea what you are on about?

hey i dont like hide and seek...i play cards...and here is the other one i throw to you...
nothing is wrong with what i said but you are messed up among your own answers....

Exactly, and even funnier than that are the examples set up by Pekhawri films.

lolzz!!! here you are again comparing both.great to see such a progress...

A 'healthy' discussion where you accuse Pukhtanas of wearing miniskirts and follow Western tradition while jeans and miniskirts are worn in entire world by people from every single nation? Healthiness my foot! And now don't say you weren't talking about Pukhtanas because this discussion was Pukhtanas and their cultures, not Tajiks and our culture!

huh?obviously i never said that pukhtun girls wear skirts.did i?
well is it not a lie about me?
the discussion was about persians in afghanistan and their influence on pukhtun culture.sorry to say but it seems like your short term memory is weak...

Healthiness my foot!

it seems like you are feeling pain in your feet due to numbness...buddy just move them from time to time.....

No, that's not what you were pointing at. You are claiming Kabulis represent entire Afghan nation by wearing miniskirts while you get piss off out of your head when any Afghan claims the same by calling all Pakistanis Punjabis! You even adapted the Western language as your national language, and then you talk about culture?

thats the habbit of afghanis from the very begining.so i dont mind these statements any more.you can call all of us punjabis as i really dont care...and now you would say you dont care either...but let me tell you if some one claim to be a pure race then he needs to justify that.other wise such stubborness is useless....

How about that's none of your business?

then why you have such a problem with us as pakistanis?
dont slip from your track.man!!!

So because they were jeans they are not following their own culture? They don't refer to themselves as Afghans? They are Westerners since they wear jeans and miniskirts (where their legs are hidden but for your own satisfaction you lie it's not)?

so you accept this.right?
[QUOTE=Shayesta;204485]Did you ever wear Punjabi clothes? If yes then are you a Punjabi now?
nope i never

take a closer look at people a bit nearer to you following Punjabi culture.

i have already taken a look and thats why i am criticizing....

And Dari has been spoken as an official language since Afghanistan's existence (even in Kabul) while Pukhto became an official language over three decades ago. Now what is all this fuss about if you end up contradicting anyway?

so if they are all pushtuns then influence is quite clear...

By lying about a nation so they come across as cheap to others, what maturity and intellect are you bring to this discussion you funny person? I haven't even insulted you for throwing lies after lies at us!

where i was lying in my statements?as you yourself accepted most of my lies...and you justified your statements by comparing all my lies with whats going on in the land of punjabi pukhtuns...

[Zahed]

Gulmeena, do u realise how strongly u 're contradicting urself? since Shayesta has already put many liars, walking talking contradictions and confused souls like urself in their places already, I won't meddle here either. but about Afghans wearing miniskirts, I 've seen ur Pakii Pashtoons wear Punjabis in Peshawer but yet not follow their culture and religion whatsoever. a dress doesn't make u cultural or traditional, ur mind does and I strongly agree with Shayesta regarding whatever she just said. u 're just arguing for the sake of argument 'cuz u know u 're stuck badly. good luck tho.

[Toramana]

...
where i was lying in my statements?as you yourself accepted most of my lies...and you justified your statements by comparing all my lies with whats going on in the land of punjabi pukhtuns...

gulmeena, the use of pure Pashtun etc. thing in racial sense is just a figment of your imagination...actually it is figuratively used for people like yourself who are bondaged to and take pride in a foreign culture instead of their own culture and roots.

Hope this helps you.

By the way I am a Pukhtun from Pukhtunkhwa and a pure Pukhtun (not enslaven to the culture accross Indus). Besides, how is the glamourous life of Islamabad going?

[Zahed]

Luffy, I must salute ur successful attempts of making Pashtoons on both sides hate eachother. no joke.

[gulmeena]

Gulmeena, do u realise how strongly u 're contradicting urself? since Shayesta has already put many liars, walking talking contradictions and confused souls like urself in their places already, I won't meddle here either. but about Afghans wearing miniskirts, I 've seen ur Pakii Pashtoons wear Punjabis in Peshawer but yet not follow their culture and religion whatsoever. a dress doesn't make u cultural or traditional, ur mind does and I strongly agree with Shayesta regarding whatever she just said. u 're just arguing for the sake of argument 'cuz u know u 're stuck badly. good luck tho.

Gulmeena, being a Pakistani and a Pashtun is a contradiction.

lolz!!! i liked the complements of you stobborn souls giving unjustified statements...