RT documentary showing Punjabi Army’s occupation of Waziristan

[maneatinglizard]

Waziristan. Hard Homecoming. Pakistan’s military instills patriotism in returning refugees - YouTube

Don’t know if this was shared here before, but this is an interesting documentary showing the current state of Waziristan. Keep in mind that RT is a propaganda channel, and Russia and Pakistan currently have pretty good relations. But even then, this documentary still manages to paint the Punjabi army in a bad light.

Highlights include:
- A look at the destruction and massive military presence still in Waziristan and the surrounding areas. Waziristan is basically an open air prison right now.
- A few “re-education centers,” i.e. brainwashing centers designed to integrate Waziristanis into the Punjabi mainstream.
- Orphanages full of kids that have parents. The host is told that the kids’ mothers willingly gave them up due to poverty, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Paki military was taking them by force. Considering the poverty was largely caused by Pakistan’s indiscriminate slaughter in Waziristan creating thousands of widows and orphans, you could blame the terrorist Pakistani army either way. But at least they’re being taught the Paki national anthem!
- Even in an ostensibly pro-Pakistan documentary, the people being interviewed are generally on edge and one old guy doesn’t mince words and openly says his village was destroyed by the Pakis despite not housing any Taliban
- The host tries to talk to a lady behind a screen. The translator speaks broken Pashto, and when the lady says she doesn’t know what he’s saying, the translator makes something up about cultural restrictions(?).
- The video ends the only way a documentary with the Paki military should, with a soldier flailing around like a homosexual donkey to some attan music. I highly recommend everyone watches the last few minutes as this is hilarious. Even the host seems frustrated at the fact that the Paki army has to interject themselves into every aspect of the locals’ lives.

All in all this was pretty sad to watch. It’s clear that the reality is a lot worse than what was shown. My only hope from this is Inshallah this occupation bankrupts Pakistan and the country doesn’t make it to 100 years.

[Samandri]

What makes you think that National anthem of Pakistan was not sung in schools of Waziristan before these operations?. Whoever was attending schools there in 90s and before, was also singing nation anthem of Pakistan and was reading Mutala-i-Pakistan like other Pakistanis. But as literacy rate was extremely low so Pakistanisation did not amount to any thing. One of my relative was a school teacher in Wana (South Wazirsiatn) during 90s. Your assumption that kids sent to orphanage might have been actually kidnapped by Paki army, is amusing for those who are familiar with Waziristani people. Believe it or not, they were always happy to send their kids to these Englishi schools. They were never against Pakistani education of their male kids. Educational institutions in Bannu and Dera Ismail Khan were filled with Waziristanis even before these Army-operations and Taliban phenomena. They were also sending their kids to cadet colleges of Army long before 9/11. There was even a Cadet college in Razmak, North Waziristan.

That being said, Pakistani army is indeed rubbing green flag on the face of Waziristanis and other FATA-wals to the point of humiliation. Every where green flag is planted and painted. Its as if they were diseased and the cure is Pakistanism.

Terrorists and extremists being rehabilitated in re-education centers. What a joke. Extremists of Haqqani network variety are still bred by Pakistani army, and they are still using religious extremists for various purposes (for example Tehraik labaik was used in Punjab against Nawaz Sharif last year).

The Englishman did ask a very awkward, inappropriate and stupid question "when was the last time she had conversation with a man outside her family"....you dont ask such questions from Pashtun females, and in front of their males. The translator was right in reminding him the inappropriateness of the question and ending the conversation. The Pashto of the native translator in second interview is not broken at all, its the the woman who is blabbing idiot (unfortunately they are raised and kept dumb like sheep in Waziristan, only function as baby-making factory). The translator was right, they (or any other Pashtuns) dont allow women to go watch cricket match in plains......it will be a bizarre scene.

[maneatinglizard]

What makes you think that National anthem of Pakistan was not sung in schools of Waziristan before these operations?. Whoever was attending schools there in 90s and before, was also singing nation anthem of Pakistan and was reading Mutala-i-Pakistan like other Pakistanis.

I'm not saying that didn't happen. Just making a joke about how that was practically all they showed the kids doing. It's odd because the documentary is ostensibly pro-Pakistan's army, and yet it made them look like they were running brainwashing centers rather than schools.

One of my relative was a school teacher in Wana (South Wazirsiatn) during 90s. Your assumption that kids sent to orphanage might have been actually kidnapped by Paki army, is amusing for those who are familiar with Waziristani people. Believe it or not, they were always happy to send their kids to these Englishi schools.

That wasn't an assumption, just a guess ("I wouldn't be surprised if..." implies that you don't have full confidence in something), but anyway the situation you're describing seems different than the one shown in the video. There's a difference between sending your kids to a military/state-run school in times of peace, and sending your kid to a military-run orphanage when that same military probably killed your husband, destroyed your village, and left you destitute. If you're is so desperate that you have to give your kids up to the people that ruined your lives, there's an element of force involved even if it's not a literal guy in uniform knocking on your door and ripping them out of your hands.

That being said, Pakistani army is indeed rubbing green flag on the face of Waziristanis and other FATA-wals to the point of humiliation. Every where green flag is planted and painted. Its as if they were diseased and the cure is Pakistanism.

That's exactly the point. They see themselves as conquerors and are making it loud and clear that Waziristan is owned by the Punjabis (or Pakistanis if you prefer).

The Englishman did ask a very awkward, inappropriate and stupid question "when was the last time she had conversation with a man outside her family"....you dont ask such questions from Pashtun females, and in front of their males. The translator was right in reminding him the inappropriateness of the question and ending the conversation.

Yeah that one was out line (guy was Russian, not English, by the way). I assume they explained elements of Pashtun culture to him before taking him there, but I can understand why he didn't get that concept completely.

The Pashto of the native translator in second interview is not broken at all, its the the woman who is blabbing idiot (unfortunately they are raised and kept dumb like sheep in Waziristan, only function as baby-making factory).

I couldn't understand the translator very well ("tose ra ghwarree chi tose ra cricket ta larrshee ye"? what the heck is that supposed to mean? I get the gist of what he's trying to say, but which dialect speaks like that? The second attempt just sounds like rambling), but the lady spoke fine. I'm not sure which part of her 4 sentences made her sound like a "blabbing idiot" to you, or why you need to disparage all the people of Waziristan based on some false, urbanized elitist stereotyping.

I don't get why urban Pashtuns engage in that sort of bigotry when Punjabis feel the exact same way about them. "Guys, it is not all Pashtuns, just those dumb cawemen in FATA that treat their women like cows. We're wery educated!" All you do is contribute to the negative stereotyping of Pashtuns. You may think you're superior because you live in Kabul or Peshawar or whatever, but other people don't see the difference. They just see a bunch of dumb, cavemen Pashtuns arguing over which one is less of a savage.

The translator was right, they (or any other Pashtuns) dont allow women to go watch cricket match in plains......it will be a bizarre scene.

Yes but he could've told the journalist that without awkwardly trying to ask her and then giving up because she couldn't understand him.

[Samandri]

There's a difference between sending your kids to a military/state-run school in times of peace, and sending your kid to a military-run orphanage when that same military probably killed your husband, destroyed your village, and left you destitute. If you're is so desperate that you have to give your kids up to the people that ruined your lives, there's an element of force involved even if it's not a literal guy in uniform knocking on your door and ripping them out of your hands.

Those parents are not "giving up" their kids to army, they are "sending" their kids to school. In our regions (Lakki, Bannu, Waziristan etc) Army-run schools are popular for providing quality education. And parents think that due to quality education , they will be able to become 'takrra' and will score high in future, thus ensuring better economic opportunities in future. They are not driven by love for army but education and livelihood. Manzoor Pashteen, for example, studied in Army-Public School of Bannu and in those years military operations were going on in Waziristan. It might be unbelievable for you but thats how things are on the ground.

[khushal]

Yes but he could've told the journalist that without awkwardly trying to ask her and then giving up because she couldn't understand him.

Its not that she couldn't understand him. Rural women usually respond in that way when the question is inappropriate meaning that she does not understand the language of barbaric men. She actually insulted the translator which later explained to the Russian that this is inappropriate.

This soldier that is dancing like a donkey at the end is loopy who thinks he is superior and is teaching the people donkey culture.

[Samandri]

Its not that she couldn't understand him. Rural women usually respond in that way when the question is inappropriate meaning that she does not understand the language of barbaric men.

I am impressed by your creativity......you actually know little about Pakhtunkhwa and its amusing to see you making stuff up. Its borderline comedy.

[khushal]

I am impressed by your creativity......you actually know little about Pakhtunkhwa and its amusing to see you making stuff up. Its borderline comedy.

Senorita Loopy,
Your a city boy who grew up in a bubble that your military/gov family made for you thinking that FATA women are baby making factories because that is what was fed to you, dance like a donkey to show your superiority.
What was so confusing about what the translator said. She could understand everything else but that one sentence, why did she say she does not understand this language to that one question, why didn't she say that to the other questions or why did she not say repeat the question and why did the translator explain about the social constraints, he knew what he did and what the lady response meant You dont understand the rural people and their behavior. Just stay in your bubble where you are safe and stupid but keep thinking about how superior you are to everyone else.

[Samandri]

Senorita Loopy,
Your a city boy who grew up in a bubble that your military/gov family made for you thinking that FATA women are baby making factories because that is what was fed to you, dance like a donkey to show your superiority.
What was so confusing about what the translator said. She could understand everything else but that one sentence, why did she say she does not understand this language to that one question, why didn't she say that to the other questions or why did she not say repeat the question and why did the translator explain about the social constraints, he knew what he did and what the lady response meant You dont understand the rural people and their behavior. Just stay in your bubble where you are safe and stupid but keep thinking about how superior you are to everyone else.

You are repeating the content generated by maneatinglizard. Thats what you do, copy the stuff from here and there or pull some thing out of your as$ that matches that content. I used to think that may be things are different there in Khost but your commentary on FATA made me realize how much of a creative fraud you are. You are no different than Azmal, your fellow American.

[khushal]

You are repeating the content generated by maneatinglizard. Thats what you do, copy the stuff from here and there or pull some thing out of your as$ that matches that content. I used to think that may be things are different there in Khost but your commentary on FATA made me realize how much of a creative fraud you are. You are no different than Azmal, your fellow American.

The difference between you and azmule is that we know where he stands, you on the hand is a munifiq that likes to laugh at poor people.

[Samandri]

The difference between you and azmule is that we know where he stands, you on the hand is a munifiq that likes to laugh at poor people.

You have very American definition of munafiqat.

[khushal]

This forum is not Pakistan where donkey culture is considered superior. Labeling something American doesnt change the definition.