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  • #31
    Originally posted by khushal View Post
    It's the media. All people change through watching media shows that make a certain lifestyle normal or desirable that people want to imitate. Many Afghan shows are copies of Hollywood shows that slowly promote ayashi and kunitob.
    Seems changes are being promoted from outside by westernized Afghans (most of whom are no longer Muslim or have the old Afghan values, basically whitewashed people) rather than from native Afghans themselves. Its like a trojan horse.
    Last edited by UnknownUser; 04-01-2018, 10:48 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by jama0112 View Post
      Sorry, but can someone tell me what PUA is?
      Pick Up Artists.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
        They market their products to individuals like you.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by UnknownUser View Post
          To be fair though it seems these changes are brought about by Afghan expatriats returning home, bringing with them their westernized lifestyle and mindset. It would be different if natives Afghans were promoting these changes.

          Even that guy/tranny lgbt promoter guy was raised in the west.
          All this modern people want to become or be like the "Davos Man" that Samuel Huntington talked about few decades ago. They want badly to be wealthy, smart, sophisticated, successful and cool. Some sort of new Westernized elite that wants to replace the old religious and conservative elite. Once they succeed they will start their social engineering just like Commies did. It will end up in disaster.
          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

          -Ferdowsi.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
            If you only understood the impact that western hegemony has on the Muslim world,

            Islamic values are eroding as we speak.
            Western world is in decline. Once their unity and power collapses, their global discourse will collapse too. All this Western wannabes got their days numbered.

            Islamic values are eroding for several reasons: first off the islamic world lacks of an alternative discourse for modernity. We all know how sophisticated, appealing and smart Western discourse is, but Islamic world (and the rest of non Western civs too) lacks of one.

            Also Islamist forces have proved to be an utter failure. A bunch of uneducated radical ignorant morons. So Muslims will eventually lose their faith in Islam. Makes perfect sense.
            "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
            I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

            -Ferdowsi.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
              While funny, the "alpha" white dudes that make videos like this are a bunch of cucks too. They're like that Iranian PUA loser someone linked here a few months back: nobodies who latch onto stereotypes because they lack a real identity.

              Real men aren't desperate to prove how manly they are to everyone who'll notice. In truth, Western culture has never been very manly. Even the old Greek/Roman concepts of manliness were strange, overly obsessed with dominating weaker people, and anti-woman. Compare it to the way manliness is seen in Islamic/Arab/Iranic cultures, and it's quite different. While Western culture encourages dominance over those that are weaker, our cultures praise men who stand up to those that are stronger. I'm simplifying things, but both conceptions of what a man should be in the West are really unappealing to me. On one hand, you have the weaklings of the Left, and on the other hand, the ape-like bullies of the Right.

              But yeah, I've seen too many guys making that face in pictures, and it's pretty embarrassing. Dignity isn't valued these days.
              Not sure about that. It depends what we mean by "manly". Its obvious that virility has changed over centuries. For several decades people in the West considered homosexuals to be effeminate but you see people like Aquiles, Ajax, Hefestion, Alexander the Great, Julio Cesar.. were sodomites and yet they were some of the greatest warriors in history of mankind. They inspired millions of warriors over centuries.

              In general I find eastern concepts of manhood more appealing. Strong, masculine, paterfamilias, taking care of women, elderly and children, always eager to take the initiative, etc. Thats how men should be and behave.
              "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
              I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

              -Ferdowsi.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                I dont know what you want to prove with this tread, but the title of that artical is misleading. There is just one cafe where they serve coffee to young people who are busy with start-ups or just want to chill after work in a safe place.

                They are not hipsters as what hipser here in europe are, they just want to connect with other young people and talk about future start-ups and how to get funding, what is totaly diffrent from the skinny jeans, bearded hipsters here in europe with theire soy lattes.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by UnknownUser View Post
                  Seems changes are being promoted from outside by westernized Afghans (most of whom are no longer Muslim or have the old Afghan values, basically whitewashed people) rather than from native Afghans themselves. Its like a trojan horse.
                  Thats exaggerated, a lot of changes are need to be on par with the rest of the world. Most of Afghanistan is lacking behind in social development even with other muslim countries if we talk about women rights and the rights of minorities, some change in how people act and deal with each other are needed.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                    Well said, I agree, the sort of idealizations of masculine identity on pretentious macho posturing that is relayed through this video is absurd ...however, what isn't absurd is their assessment of their psychologically castration that is normative in the changing dynamic of their culture ....I wouldn't care what happens with regards to that if it weren't for the fact that this is broadcast internationally and thus shapes the emerging cultural dynamics everywhere else Take for example Japan ....their traditional manhood was very similar to ours ...but they are now experiencing the phenomena of the "herbivore" man.


                    We should study and analyze this for several reasons

                    a.) To see the pitfalls of this society and where their currently prevailing values end up.

                    b.) to Strategize how we can navigate around the toxic fall out and arise on top of the situation and use this as an opportunity to subdue such a disastrous social climate.

                    c.) Anesthicize ourselves from this influence by becoming conscious of it and countering it by reasserting our own sense of principles.
                    You act like Afghanistan is really open for all what comes from the west. You need to visit Afghanistan yourself and not search and read what is written online by the same cuckfaced white feminist men.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                      You act like Afghanistan is really open for all what comes from the west. You need to visit Afghanistan yourself and not search and read what is written online by the same cuckfaced white feminist men.
                      That's strange you say that since you're known on this forum for supporting everything from LGBQT and Gay Marriage to Transgenderism because you look up to Westerners as being more "enlightened" or something and they promote those ideas.

                      Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                      Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                      don’t try to be smart.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                        Thats exaggerated, a lot of changes are need to be on par with the rest of the world. Most of Afghanistan is lacking behind in social development even with other muslim countries if we talk about women rights and the rights of minorities, some change in how people act and deal with each other are needed.
                        Certain changes can be beneficial. But it seems some are open to bringing a western lifestyle there, at the expense of removing Islam, 5000 years old mature cultures, basically westernizing/whitewashing once dignified peoples.

                        If Afghans open up to western cultural influence, how long before they celebrate Christmas and take their wives to the local swingerclub in the weekends, while their daughters busy in the night club?

                        This will naturally happen if they open up to cultural influences from the west. Even some european societies used to be a lot more conservative and eastern like just some 50-100 years ago. Americans changed the whole thing.

                        Islam has saved the grace and dignity of people. Once Islam is gone, there will be no sense of dignity, self respect or honor left. Everything becomes a matter of perception.
                        Last edited by UnknownUser; 04-02-2018, 09:27 AM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by UnknownUser View Post
                          Certain changes can be beneficial. But it seems some are open to bringing a western lifestyle there, at the expense of removing Islam, 5000 years old mature cultures, basically westernizing/whitewashing once dignified peoples.

                          If Afghans open up to western cultural influence, how long before they celebrate Christmas and take their wives to the local swingerclub in the weekends, while their daughters busy in the night club?

                          This will naturally happen if they open up to cultural influences from the west. Even some european societies used to be a lot more conservative and eastern like just some 50-100 years ago. Americans changed the whole thing.

                          Islam has saved the grace and dignity of people. Once Islam is gone, there will be no sense of dignity, self respect or honor left. Everything becomes a matter of perception.
                          Maybe thats exactly what Khostai is pushing for. Maybe the guy wants his sister to be loose. Maybe he has in higher consideration personal freedom than collective dignity. Maybe he finds more appealing and moral shemales than his own grand-parents. Maybe he likes drugs and alcohol to be available everywhere.

                          This proves very well my point regarding how uneducated, brainwashed, lost easily-manipulated Muslims are. Just for the sake of material well-being they are willing to sell all their core values.
                          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                          -Ferdowsi.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                            Maybe thats exactly what Khostai is pushing for. Maybe the guy wants his sister to be loose. Maybe he has in higher consideration personal freedom than collective dignity. Maybe he finds more appealing and moral shemales than his own grand-parents. Maybe he likes drugs and alcohol to be available everywhere.

                            This proves very well my point regarding how uneducated, brainwashed, lost easily-manipulated Muslims are. Just for the sake of material well-being they are willing to sell all their core values.
                            Actually, he has made allusions that women being promiscuous is acceptable

                            Khostai is exactly the sort of cuck I am referring to...and he's not so ironically Pro-Right Wing in Europe when it comes to their animosity against Muslims.

                            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                            don’t try to be smart.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                              Actually, he has made allusions that women being promiscuous is acceptable

                              Khostai is exactly the sort of cuck I am referring to...and he's not so ironically Pro-Right Wing in Europe when it comes to their animosity against Muslims.
                              Individuals like him are probably ugly or have low testosterone, effiminate men support all these gay rights, feminist movements, real men just laugh at them.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Kakar-Wardak View Post
                                Individuals like him are probably ugly or have low testosterone, effiminate men support all these gay rights, feminist movements, real men just laugh at them.
                                Low testosterone is most likely the issue lol

                                Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                                Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                                don’t try to be smart.

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