Indian gems and Pakistani rhetorical pearls

[Elias]

Delusional "half-Kashmiri half-Pathan" (probably full Punjabi in reality) putting a face to internet Paki nationalism. It seems this guy spent so much time on defence.pk and the like that he actually felt confident enough in their lies to repeat them in public. The video is absolutely hilarious. He makes claims like how apparently west Pakistan used to be "Sindh" or "Indus" while everything east of the Indus was "Hind," and seems to be unaware that those three terms are different versions of the same word, or the majority of Pakistanis (including all of Kashmir) live east of the Indus so they'd still be Indians anyway, keeps talking about how Persians used to control modern-day Pakistan, how Urdu is actually more influenced by Persian than any Indian language (despite being an Indian language itself), and a bunch of genetic mumbo jumbo that only shows that he has no clue about what he's talking about.

He also constantly talks as if Pakistan is just KP and Balochistan (like talking about Pakistan's "ethnic diversity" and only mentioning Pashtuns, Balochis, Kalash, and Hazaras), a very common tactic among Paki nationalists. The thing is, most hardcore Paki nationalists are Punjabis, so why do they constantly ignore their own identity and latch onto people that didn't even want to be a part of Pakistan?

Near the end someone comes in (possibly an Afghan) and shuts him down hard. He gets so embarrassed he asks the guy to continue the conversation off-camera LOL.

I found the second part. I havent watched it already.
The Difference Between Pakistan & India | Pt2 Clarification | Osama - YouTube

[maneatinglizard]

Pakistani Punjabi celebrating the founder of Afghanistan’s victory over his fellow Indians.

They cope with the cognitive dissonance of celebrating the victories of invaders by telling themselves that he was born in Multan. Which probably isn’t true, but even if it was, when a person is born in a foreign land but maintains their cultural and practical associations with their homeland, place of birth is merely a coincidence, not a sign of belonging. In a hundred years these people will start talking about British colonizers that were born in Punjab as their heroes and ancestors.

Notice how it’s titled “Pashtun forces” instead of “Afghan forces” lol. Even though many of the elites of his army were not Pashtun. This is what happens when you worship a nation with no history.

[Samandri]

victories of invaders by telling themselves that he was born in Multan. Which probably isn’t true,

Not only he was born in Multan but according to Siraj al-Tawarikh (a court history of Afghanistan commissioned by Amir Habibullah), he also spent his childhood there. The big question is why Afghanistanis and pseudo-Afghananistans (western diaspora) are embarrassed by this fact and insist that he was born in Herat?. Afghanistanis despise Punjab and its a land of daalkhors for them and Multan is a Punjabi city with all attributes of Punjab (it even has a Hera Mundi). So Afghanistani nationalism demands that history should be changed and that his birthplace should be Herat. Interestingly, not only his birthplace but also his deathplace is in Pakistan.

but even if it was, when a person is born in a foreign land but maintains their cultural and practical associations with their homeland, place of birth is merely a coincidence, not a sign of belonging. In a hundred years these people will start talking about British colonizers that were born in Punjab as their heroes and ancestors.

Actually Saddozais had as much connection with Multan as they had with Herat. Its not like Zarghuna Alkozai was just passing by Multan and delivered her baby there. Multan was a colony of Saddozais and second home to those in Herat. Ahmad Shah Abdali had relatives there. Zaman Khan (father of Ahmad Shah) sent his pregnant wife to Multan to his relatives there.

Notice how it’s titled “Pashtun forces” instead of “Afghan forces” lol. Even though many of the elites of his army were not Pashtun..

So? Afghan strictly means Pashtuns in 18th century context. The only non-Pashtun general in the Abdali's army at the battle of Panipat, was Shuja-ud-daula but he was not from Afghanistan but a local ally from Awadh.

This is what happens when you worship a nation with no history

Tajik nationalists say the same thing about Pashtuns. They make fun of you for having little history and your attempt of stealing history from others because of that. Afghanistanis still use Pata khazana as a historical source.

[marwat]

Not only he was born in Multan but according to Siraj al-Tawarikh (a court history of Afghanistan commissioned by Amir Habibullah), he also spent his childhood there. The big question is why Afghanistanis and pseudo-Afghananistans (western diaspora) are embarrassed by this fact and insist that he was born in Herat?. Afghanistanis despise Punjab and its a land of daalkhors for them and Multan is a Punjabi city with all attributes of Punjab (it even has a Hera Mundi). So Afghanistani nationalism demands that history should be changed and that his birthplace should be Herat. Interestingly, not only his birthplace but also his deathplace is in Pakistan.



Actually Saddozais had as much connection with Multan as they had with Herat. Its not like Zarghuna Alkozai was just passing by Multan and delivered her baby there. Multan was a colony of Saddozais and second home to those in Herat. Ahmad Shah Abdali had relatives there. Zaman Khan (father of Ahmad Shah) sent his pregnant wife to Multan to his relatives there.


So? Afghan strictly means Pashtuns in 18th century context. The only non-Pashtun general in the Abdali's army at the battle of Panipat, was Shuja-ud-daula but he was not from Afghanistan but a local ally from Awadh.


Tajik nationalists say the same thing about Pashtuns. They make fun of you for having little history and your attempt of stealing history from others because of that. Afghanistanis still use Pata khazana as a historical source.

actually i am in Multan right now, and saddozai are still very powerful here, on very prominent position in bearucracy. there are abdali road, durrani mosque, and even Ahmad shah birth place have been marked with marbles stones and the place where he lived. it became a second house of Muzafar khan sadozai (hakim multan) grandfather Nawawab Zahid khan sadozai.
i will post pictures here some day. also

[Samandri]

actually i am in Multan right now, and saddozai are still very powerful here, on very prominent position in bearucracy. there are abdali road, durrani mosque, and even Ahmad shah birth place have been marked with marbles stones and the place where he lived. it became a second house of Muzafar khan sadozai (hakim multan) grandfather Nawawab Zahid khan sadozai.
i will post pictures here some day. also

That will be great, please do. Shah Hussain, a grandson of Saddo (the progenitor of Saddozai tribe) is also buried there and has a mausoleum.

[Firdousi]

Not only he was born in Multan but according to Siraj al-Tawarikh (a court history of Afghanistan commissioned by Amir Habibullah), he also spent his childhood there. The big question is why Afghanistanis and pseudo-Afghananistans (western diaspora) are embarrassed by this fact and insist that he was born in Herat?. Afghanistanis despise Punjab and its a land of daalkhors for them and Multan is a Punjabi city with all attributes of Punjab (it even has a Hera Mundi). So Afghanistani nationalism demands that history should be changed and that his birthplace should be Herat. Interestingly, not only his birthplace but also his deathplace is in Pakistan.



Actually Saddozais had as much connection with Multan as they had with Herat. Its not like Zarghuna Alkozai was just passing by Multan and delivered her baby there. Multan was a colony of Saddozais and second home to those in Herat. Ahmad Shah Abdali had relatives there. Zaman Khan (father of Ahmad Shah) sent his pregnant wife to Multan to his relatives there.


So? Afghan strictly means Pashtuns in 18th century context. The only non-Pashtun general in the Abdali's army at the battle of Panipat, was Shuja-ud-daula but he was not from Afghanistan but a local ally from Awadh.


Tajik nationalists say the same thing about Pashtuns. They make fun of you for having little history and your attempt of stealing history from others because of that. Afghanistanis still use Pata khazana as a historical source.

It does not matter where Ahmad Shah Abdali was born. People, we need to focus on context and stop projecting our modern mentalities. Whether Herat, Multan or Kandahar, these historical figures did not care much about countries basically because the modern concept of the nation-state did not exist back then. Ahmad Shah Durrani did not create a state, nor a nation, but an empire based on a confederation of Pashtun tribes allied with other regional non Pashtun Sunni peoples from Khorasan and India. Both these entities were just regions. Not countries. Modern Afghan, Pakistani and Tajik nationalities are making an embarrassing mistake by believing these were nations in the modern sense. They were not.

What we are discussing here is the cognitive dissonance all nationalist people are suffering. We mock Pakistani and Indian nationalists because they are praising British entities and they look quite stupid to us. Also the hatred, contempt and jealousy many Pakistani nationalists display toward Afghans is hilarious when they name their rockets after our forefathers. But nobody is denying that Afghan nationalists are as deluded as Desi nationalists. The only difference here is that the Afghan protostate predates Colonialism and also, unlike India, eastern Iran (Khorasan, Kabulistan, Registan/Sakastan and Transoxiana/Khwarezm), have a coherent, organic and to an extend a cultural, political and historical unity. All the great empires that ruled our lands throughout history (Ghaznawids, Ghorids, Khwarezmids, Durranis, Greco-Bactrians, Kushans, Hephtalites, Tahirids, Saffarids or Samanids) managed or tried to unite this lands. Although nationalism did not exist back then people over there, regardless their ethnic or religious backgrounds, had a common sense of unity, similar to the ethos shared by Greek city-states.

[jama0112]

It does not matter where Ahmad Shah Abdali was born. People, we need to focus on context and stop projecting our modern mentalities. Whether Herat, Multan or Kandahar, these historical figures did not care much about countries basically because the modern concept of the nation-state did not exist back then. Ahmad Shah Durrani did not create a state, nor a nation, but an empire based on a confederation of Pashtun tribes allied with other regional non Pashtun Sunni peoples from Khorasan and India. Both these entities were just regions. Not countries. Modern Afghan, Pakistani and Tajik nationalities are making an embarrassing mistake by believing these were nations in the modern sense. They were not.

What we are discussing here is the cognitive dissonance all nationalist people are suffering. We mock Pakistani and Indian nationalists because they are praising British entities and they look quite stupid to us. Also the hatred, contempt and jealousy many Pakistani nationalists display toward Afghans is hilarious when they name their rockets after our forefathers. But nobody is denying that Afghan nationalists are as deluded as Desi nationalists. The only difference here is that the Afghan protostate predates Colonialism and also, unlike India, eastern Iran (Khorasan, Kabulistan, Registan/Sakastan and Transoxiana/Khwarezm), have a coherent, organic and to an extend a cultural, political and historical unity. All the great empires that ruled our lands throughout history (Ghaznawids, Ghorids, Khwarezmids, Durranis, Greco-Bactrians, Kushans, Hephtalites, Tahirids, Saffarids or Samanids) managed or tried to unite this lands. Although nationalism did not exist back then people over there, regardless their ethnic or religious backgrounds, had a common sense of unity, similar to the ethos shared by Greek city-states.

I'm just asking(please, don't ignore me, i'm actually interested): Do you know pahstun history very well? I mean, more than wiki shows?

[Friends of Baloch]

The sound of this punjab language is hilarious, as are all of these hysterical Dravidians running around shouting.

[jama0112]

The sound of this punjab language is hilarious, as are all of these hysterical Dravidians running around shouting.

It does seem funny a little, but this is about human lives that were close to death. That's actually not okay at all.

I know you have this thing with "**** desis! **** them all!" and all that. But you have to make a line when it isn't okay. You don't even know these people, yet you find it amusing that some of them could have been killed. Racist posts are one thing, making fun of people being close to killed is another thing.

Also, what's with you and dravidians? Brahuis are dravidian linguistically(not genetically and are basically a copy of you iranic-speaking balochis), and had it not been for iranication of brahuis, you wouldn't call yourself a balochi but a brahui and speak dravidian.

And yeah, it does seem like balochis were once dravidian, linguistically(otherwise brahuis wouldn't be the only one around Pakistan/Afghanistan speaking dravidian, only south indians speak) and there aren't any genetic connection with south indians, while the balochis speaks a WESTERN-iranian language(not really native to the area and came probably from kurds in Aleppo), which proves balochis are just iranic-speaking brahuis. So i don't think you should keep talking about dravidians(which are rather linguistic groups, like south indians and brahuis, not much racial about the word).

[Elias]

daalkhor

[Samandri]

daalkhor

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[maneatinglizard]

Someone tell this Pakistani to look at his own skin color.

[maneatinglizard]

daalkhor

They finally found your sub. Prepare for oceans of tears and lots of downvotes.

[Elias]

They finally found your sub. Prepare for oceans of tears and lots of downvotes.

Very surprisingly, thus far the teezmaran aren't triggered but some pashtuns from pakistan. Although the jokes are directed to the teezmaran sitting in islamabad. I guess, these are the same sort of pashtuns who threaten Afghanistan and India with their replicated AKs on youtube.

[maneatinglizard]

Very surprisingly, thus far the teezmaran aren't triggered but some pashtuns from pakistan. Although the jokes are directed to the teezmaran sitting in islamabad. I guess, these are the same sort of pashtuns who threaten Afghanistan and India with their replicated AKs on youtube.

That dude isn’t actually Pashtun. He’s someone’s alt over there.