Indian gems and Pakistani rhetorical pearls

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

"People spend $1 million for one drop of my sperm" - Rapist Indian yoga teacher.

He's Bengali .....Bengal Tiger has hope.

[Friends of Baloch]

The Punjabi racial inferiority complex and cringe is in mass overdrive at this link: Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent






Forget Iranians and Turks for a minute, did he just say that pakis are going to end up looking Chinese too?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

The Punjabi racial inferiority complex and cringe is in mass overdrive at this link: Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent






Forget Iranians and Turks for a minute, did he just say that pakis are going to end up looking Chinese too?

I read that sentence three times. I don't think he's talking about appearance, he's saying

a.) Linguistically they'll be unintelligible to Indians (not sure why he'd want that, that doesn't seem to be an important AIM for "Pan Islam")

b.) "Look to" probably refers to looking to Central/West Asia and China for cultural and economic relationship.

However, He probably does secretly want to look Chinese, but that isn't conveyed here.

[maneatinglizard]

The Punjabi racial inferiority complex and cringe is in mass overdrive at this link: Most of Pakistan isn't a part of the Indian sub-continent






Forget Iranians and Turks for a minute, did he just say that pakis are going to end up looking Chinese too?

You guys should check out the subreddit "chutyapa" (anyone know what this means by the way?). Like half of the posts on it are Pakistanis trying to convince themselves that they're a separate race from North Indians, even going so far as to create a racial slur for them ("gangu," these nerds even added the word to Urban Dictionary to try to get it to spread: Urban Dictionary: gangu), and use slurs that are common against Indic people.

The lack of self-awareness is amazing. The more they try to make fun of Indians, the worse they look. It's like a Chinese person making fun of Japanese people for small eyes, or an Afghan person making fun of Persians for big noses. You think you're funny but everyone is laughing at you more than they are at whatever you're being racist about.

At least this guy in that topic has some self-awareness: Error

The rest of that topic is full of epic levels of cringe. The topic creator wants to call the Indic parts of Pakistan "Aryanistan" LOL.

Actually, that'd be funny if just to trigger white supremacists.

Their obsession with using "Pukhtoon" instead of the proper English "Pashtun" is funny too. Still desperately trying to turn Paki Pashtuns into a separate race.

I read that sentence three times. I don't think he's talking about appearance, he's saying

a.) Linguistically they'll be unintelligible to Indians (not sure why he'd want that, that doesn't seem to be an important AIM for "Pan Islam")

b.) "Look to" probably refers to looking to Central/West Asia and China for cultural and economic relationship.

However, He probably does secretly want to look Chinese, but that isn't conveyed here.

Yes, he's imagining that Urdu is going to become an Iranic language due to heavy influence from Pashto. The levels of delusion are remarkable when in reality the opposite is happening, and Paki Pashto in some regions is slowly degrading into a mess due to excessive Urdu loaning.

I always wonder if these fools aren't actually just Afghans trolling Pakis. Is it really possible to have such an extreme lack of self-awareness and delusion?

Oh wait, Donald Trump supporters exist, so yes it is actually completely possible.

Honestly, stuff like this makes me feel a little better about Afghans being uneducated, and especially not being taught English. At least we keep our stupidity to ourselves, instead of proudly displaying it for the whole world to see like Indics.

[maneatinglizard]

From the same topic: Error

M. Sarmad said: ↑
Punjabi is much more than that .. much much more
Yes, but primarily a linguistic and cultural group, not necessarily an ethnic group.

There are plenty of people originating from neighboring provinces since hundreds and thousands of years who are now Punjabis.

Punjabis are the most diverse ethnically than any other province.

We have Butt (Kashmiris,) Niazi (Pukhtoon,) Dasti/Dashti (Baloch,) Agha/Gul (Turk,) Kurd (Kurdish,) Mir/Mashoodi/Ispahani/etc (Iranian,) Punjabized Muhajirs like Sultan Rahi, Syed/Qureshi/Farooqi/Siddiqui/Usmani/Rizvi/Alvi (Qureshi Arabs,) Arain (Taif/Syrian/Iraqi Arabs,) etc.

M. Sarmad said: ↑
I am a Gujjar, bro
Tareekh e Gujran was compiled by my maternal great-grandfather
Ma sha Allah. I’m a Rajput, whose family is very active in Rajput Associations in Lahore and Faisalabad.

Gujjars are our brothers. Nice to hear.

LOL apparently the vast majority of Punjabis are actually from West Asia according to this guy.

Error

Racially, Pakistani Punjabis have mixed with Pukhtoons, Kashmiris, Sindhis, Baloch, and other groups for almost one thousand years, while Indian Sikh Punjabis have not, as most of them have Hindu origins.

Also, these guys are all obsessed with mixing with Pashtuns. It's so creepy how they see us as their escape from "Indian-ness." Yet another reason for West Pakistan to become an independent country.

[Friends of Baloch]

I couldnt stop laughing.







India scientists dismiss Einstein theories

Scientists in India have hit out at speakers at a major conference for making irrational claims, including that ancient Hindus invented stem cell research.

Some academics at the annual Indian Science Congress dismissed the findings of Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.

Hindu mythology and religion-based theories have increasingly become part of the Indian Science Congress agenda.

But experts said remarks at this year's summit were especially ludicrous.

The 106th Indian Science Congress, which was inaugurated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, runs from 3-7 January.

The head of a southern Indian university cited an old Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered in India thousands of years ago.

G Nageshwar Rao, vice chancellor of Andhra University, also said a demon king from the Hindu religious epic, Ramayana, had 24 types of aircraft and a network of landing strips in modern day Sri Lanka.

Another scientist from a university in the southern state of Tamil Nadu told conference attendees that Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were both wrong and that gravitational waves should be renamed "Narendra Modi Waves".

Dr KJ Krishnan reportedly said Newton failed to "understand gravitational repulsive forces" and Einstein's theories were "misleading".

Critics said that while ancient texts should be read and enjoyed - it was nonsense to suggest they represented science.

The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed "serious concern" at the remarks.

"We don't subscribe to their views and distance ourselves from their comments. This is unfortunate," Premendu P Mathur, general secretary of Indian Scientific Congress Association, told the AFP news agency.

"There is a serious concern about such kind of utterances by responsible people."

Pseudoscience moves from fringe to the mainstream
Analysis by Soutik Biswas, BBC News, Delhi

India has a mixed relationship with science.

On the one hand, it has a rich tradition of outstanding scientists - the Higgs boson particle, for example, is named partly after an Indian physicist and Einstein's contemporary, Satyendra Nath Bose. Particle physicist Ashoke Sen, meanwhile, is the recipient of Fundamental Physics Prize, the world's most lucrative academic award.

But it also has a long tradition of replacing science with myths, leading to a fringe culture of pseudoscience.

Many believe under Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist BJP party, pseudoscience has moved from the fringe to the mainstream.

Mr Modi himself set the tone in 2014 with his outlandish claim that cosmetic surgery was practised in India thousands of years ago.

Many of his ministers followed suit with similar claims. India's top science summit also started inviting academics with Hindu nationalist leanings who have made equally bizarre claims.

Such claims usually hark back to an imagined glorious Hindu past to bolster religious nationalism. The BJP and its hard line allies have for a long time mixed mythology and religion to bolster political Hinduism and nationalism. Adding science to the mix, say critics, will only help propagate quack science and erode scientific temper.

Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."

Other claims made by Indian politicians and scientists:

• India's junior education minister Satyapal Singh in 2017 said that airplanes were first mentioned in the ancient Hindu epic, Ramayana. He added that the first working plane was invented by an Indian named Shivakar Babuji Talpade eight years before the Wright brothers

• Also in 2017, the education minister for the western state of Rajasthan said it was important to "understand the scientific significance" of the cow, claiming it was the only animal in the world to both inhale and exhale oxygen

• In 2014, Prime Minister Narendra Modi told medical staff at a Mumbai hospital that the story of the Hindu god Ganesha - whose elephant head is attached to a human body - showed cosmetic surgery existed in ancient India

• Geologist Ashu Khosla said that Hindu god Brahma discovered dinosaurs and documented them in ancient Indian scriptures while presenting a research paper at the Indian Science Congress on Sunday

• Lawmaker Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank prompted outrage in 2014 when he said that "science is a dwarf in front of astrology". He added that astrology was "the biggest science" and that India conducted nuclear tests more than 100,000 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-46778879

[maneatinglizard]

Oh man I was going to post that story too. So much stupidity lol.

This is why we have to be careful about trusting Indians with our own studies, by the way. The nationalist nutcases have infiltrated their scientific establishment and as they view Afghanistan as parter of their imaginary “greater India,” they try and will continue to try to associate us with them beyond the facts.

Afghans should be very wary about India-funded or conducted historical and genetic studies in particular.

[maneatinglizard]

Some Punjabi making fun of his Indian brothers for dying while taking selfies. Apparently he was never taught to look past the first line as number two is Pakistan, and when you consider the size of the populations they are actually pretty close. Heck, if you assume all of Pakistan's deaths are Indic people, they actually come out ahead lol.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Pakistani Punjabi AnceatryDNA results

LOLZZZZ

[maneatinglizard]

Pakistani Punjabi AnceatryDNA results

LOLZZZZ

I don’t get it. It seems innocent enough, and is pretty expected.

If it’s the high South Asian percentage, that’s normal, and to be honest, these “Ancestry” charts are kinda useless because they’re based more on modern, not historical, genetics, and the labeling is based on arbitrary regions as defined in the English speaking world. For example, Afghanistan is often considered South Asian on these charts as well (seems like this one counts it as both Central and South Asia, which is strange), so Afghans will usually get high South Asian marks as well, not because we're genetically close to Indics, but because we’re classified as “South Asian.” I know that most Afghans score around 50-80% South Asian on the 23andme test (which itself is a sign that the test is not great, since pure Afghans should score close to 100% of the region that they’re classified as).

[maneatinglizard]

Delusional "half-Kashmiri half-Pathan" (probably full Punjabi in reality) putting a face to internet Paki nationalism. It seems this guy spent so much time on defence.pk and the like that he actually felt confident enough in their lies to repeat them in public. The video is absolutely hilarious. He makes claims like how apparently west Pakistan used to be "Sindh" or "Indus" while everything east of the Indus was "Hind," and seems to be unaware that those three terms are different versions of the same word, or the majority of Pakistanis (including all of Kashmir) live east of the Indus so they'd still be Indians anyway, keeps talking about how Persians used to control modern-day Pakistan, how Urdu is actually more influenced by Persian than any Indian language (despite being an Indian language itself), and a bunch of genetic mumbo jumbo that only shows that he has no clue about what he's talking about.

He also constantly talks as if Pakistan is just KP and Balochistan (like talking about Pakistan's "ethnic diversity" and only mentioning Pashtuns, Balochis, Kalash, and Hazaras), a very common tactic among Paki nationalists. The thing is, most hardcore Paki nationalists are Punjabis, so why do they constantly ignore their own identity and latch onto people that didn't even want to be a part of Pakistan?

Near the end someone comes in (possibly an Afghan) and shuts him down hard. He gets so embarrassed he asks the guy to continue the conversation off-camera LOL.

[Samandri]

Delusional "half-Kashmiri half-Pathan" (probably full Punjabi in reality) putting a face to internet Paki nationalism. It seems this guy spent so much time on defence.pk and the like that he actually felt confident enough in their lies to repeat them in public. The video is absolutely hilarious. He makes claims like how apparently west Pakistan used to be "Sindh" or "Indus" while everything east of the Indus was "Hind," and seems to be unaware that those three terms are different versions of the same word, or the majority of Pakistanis (including all of Kashmir) live east of the Indus so they'd still be Indians anyway, keeps talking about how Persians used to control modern-day Pakistan, how Urdu is actually more influenced by Persian than any Indian language (despite being an Indian language itself), and a bunch of genetic mumbo jumbo that only shows that he has no clue about what he's talking about.

He also constantly talks as if Pakistan is just KP and Balochistan (like talking about Pakistan's "ethnic diversity" and only mentioning Pashtuns, Balochis, Kalash, and Hazaras), a very common tactic among Paki nationalists. The thing is, most hardcore Paki nationalists are Punjabis, so why do they constantly ignore their own identity and latch onto people that didn't even want to be a part of Pakistan?

Near the end someone comes in (possibly an Afghan) and shuts him down hard. He gets so embarrassed he asks the guy to continue the conversation off-camera LOL.

I also think he does browse through defence.pk. I used to burst their bubble there and they hated my guts for doing that.

People in streets of northern India did not speak cumbersome and literary language like Urdu. They spoke Hindi. Urdu was *******ized form of Hindi developed in elite Muslim literary circles who attempted writing Hindi but could not help themselves and ended up loading it with lot of Persian and Arabic words. Common Indians (both Muslims and Indians) spoke the same language with regional variants , with fewer words loanwords from Persian and Arabic, and those loanwords had permeated naturally and fit well in it. The national anthem of Pakistan is actually in Urdu language , written by Urdu poet Hafiz Jalandhari but its so much loaded with Persian and so much distant from Hindi that very few understand it. Indians on the other side of Wagah have purged out Hindi from a whole lot of Persian and Arabic words and has loaded it with vocabulary from the ancient dead language of Sanskrit. Indian-Muslim nationalism and Hindu nationalism (and Hindi-Urdu controversy stemming from that), are both results of efforts of British colonial masters who were not happy with 1857's mess.

[Elias]

Delusional "half-Kashmiri half-Pathan" (probably full Punjabi in reality) putting a face to internet Paki nationalism. It seems this guy spent so much time on defence.pk and the like that he actually felt confident enough in their lies to repeat them in public. The video is absolutely hilarious. He makes claims like how apparently west Pakistan used to be "Sindh" or "Indus" while everything east of the Indus was "Hind," and seems to be unaware that those three terms are different versions of the same word, or the majority of Pakistanis (including all of Kashmir) live east of the Indus so they'd still be Indians anyway, keeps talking about how Persians used to control modern-day Pakistan, how Urdu is actually more influenced by Persian than any Indian language (despite being an Indian language itself), and a bunch of genetic mumbo jumbo that only shows that he has no clue about what he's talking about.

He also constantly talks as if Pakistan is just KP and Balochistan (like talking about Pakistan's "ethnic diversity" and only mentioning Pashtuns, Balochis, Kalash, and Hazaras), a very common tactic among Paki nationalists. The thing is, most hardcore Paki nationalists are Punjabis, so why do they constantly ignore their own identity and latch onto people that didn't even want to be a part of Pakistan?

Near the end someone comes in (possibly an Afghan) and shuts him down hard. He gets so embarrassed he asks the guy to continue the conversation off-camera LOL.

Lmao did you also hear at the beginning the guy on the left with the hoodie saying: "Culturally same as afghans"?

[Friends of Baloch]

Delusional "half-Kashmiri half-Pathan" (probably full Punjabi in reality) putting a face to internet Paki nationalism. It seems this guy spent so much time on defence.pk and the like that he actually felt confident enough in their lies to repeat them in public. The video is absolutely hilarious. He makes claims like how apparently west Pakistan used to be "Sindh" or "Indus" while everything east of the Indus was "Hind," and seems to be unaware that those three terms are different versions of the same word, or the majority of Pakistanis (including all of Kashmir) live east of the Indus so they'd still be Indians anyway, keeps talking about how Persians used to control modern-day Pakistan, how Urdu is actually more influenced by Persian than any Indian language (despite being an Indian language itself), and a bunch of genetic mumbo jumbo that only shows that he has no clue about what he's talking about.

He also constantly talks as if Pakistan is just KP and Balochistan (like talking about Pakistan's "ethnic diversity" and only mentioning Pashtuns, Balochis, Kalash, and Hazaras), a very common tactic among Paki nationalists. The thing is, most hardcore Paki nationalists are Punjabis, so why do they constantly ignore their own identity and latch onto people that didn't even want to be a part of Pakistan?

Near the end someone comes in (possibly an Afghan) and shuts him down hard. He gets so embarrassed he asks the guy to continue the conversation off-camera LOL.

Good summary. The cringe factor of this lone paki circus show was overbearing and i could not stomach watching him speak in that thick Indian accent while denying his Indian race without laughing. I skipped his insane drivel to the part where at least two people started calling out his silly paki nonsense and humiliated him at the end.

It is good to see self-loathing Dravidians like this guy finally come off the internet and try to speak this paki foolishness in public and get slapped down immediately.

Seriously just look at this fool.

He is 100% straight up Indian trying to convince other people that he is not. Nobody believed him.

What a sad, pathetic, deranged freak!

[Friends of Baloch]

I also think he does browse through defence.pk. I used to burst their bubble there and they hated my guts for doing that.

People in streets of northern India did not speak cumbersome and literary language like Urdu. They spoke Hindi. Urdu was *******ized form of Hindi developed in elite Muslim literary circles who attempted writing Hindi but could not help themselves and ended up loading it with lot of Persian and Arabic words. Common Indians (both Muslims and Indians) spoke the same language with regional variants , with fewer words loanwords from Persian and Arabic, and those loanwords had permeated naturally and fit well in it. The national anthem of Pakistan is actually in Urdu language , written by Urdu poet Hafiz Jalandhari but its so much loaded with Persian and so much distant from Hindi that very few understand it. Indians on the other side of Wagah have purged out Hindi from a whole lot of Persian and Arabic words and has loaded it with vocabulary from the ancient dead language of Sanskrit. Indian-Muslim nationalism and Hindu nationalism (and Hindi-Urdu controversy stemming from that), are both results of efforts of British colonial masters who were not happy with 1857's mess.

Pakis always try to exaggerate the adoption of Arabic and Persian loan words into Urdu and think this makes it non-Indian? lol.

Meanwhile they are totally ignorant and in denial about the Dravidian connection to languages like Urdu/Hindi, Punjabi, Sindhi etc

People (from Pakiland and India no less) that have actually examined languages like Urdu in-depth have questioned the theory that Indo-Aryan languages are directly from Sanskrit. All of those languages have deep traces and connections to Dravidian in them, Punjabi in particular is said to have a Dravidian substratum and clear retroflex consonants that are totally Dravidian and are not found in Indo-European languages.


Origin of Urdu in Dravidian and Fareedkoti’s theory



"The theory that Urdu was an Aryan language was challenged by Fareedkoti Sahib. He, in his Urdu and English writings, surmised that contrary to the popular theory, Urdu did not have its roots in Sanskrit. In fact, his thesis is that not only Urdu but many sub-continental languages including Punjabi and Sindhi are Dravidian languages with influences from Manda and Indo-Chinese family of languages. To support his claim, Fareedkoti Sahib amassed a huge collection of data concerning the ancient languages, history, linguistics and their vocabularies. With a deep study of history and an interest in the ancient seals of Harappa and their scripts, he kept on looking for the roots of modern languages as he researched on ancient ones.

He finally arrived at the conclusion that languages spoken in the Indus valley some 5,000 years ago could not have vanished in thin air without leaving any trace behind and the vestiges those ancient languages could be traced in the present-day languages of Pakistan."


Punjab Notes: Safdar Shah’s Punjabi Grammar and Nuzhat’s stories for children


"The core of a language cannot be discovered without discovering its speakers, Dr Shah rightly stresses. He explains briefly the ancient history of Punjab in which lie hidden the roots of its language. As to the origin of the Punjabi, three theories are prevalent: 1) it evolved from spoken Sanskrit 2) It sprang from the Vedic language 3) It predates Vedic and classical Sanskrit. It is indigenous language of Harappa and is organically linked to the group of Munda and Dravidian languages.

First two theories have been debunked by serious linguists and historians of the language in the aftermath of ample archeological evidence provided by excavations done on the Harappan sites. The vocabulary that the Punjabi language shares with the Vedic language and classical Sanskrit in no way proves that they gave birth to it because “the difficulty is that Sanskrit does not share a common syntax with these (so-called Indo-Aryan) languages,” writes Dr Shah.

He agrees with Asif Khan, Ainul Haq Faridkoti and others who with lot of painstaking research proved the non-Aryan origins of Punjabi."