Whats going on in Canada?

[Samandri]

So with time i have across some people on the Pakistani forum (Punjabis, Kashmiris and Mohajirs) residing in Canada who were using same language as Tarek Fateh of Canada and had same weird and twisted views on Islam and Muslims as him . I felt they had attended same classes as as Karachi and Toramana of this forum. Whats going on there?. Is some organization there working on them?. It can not be coincidence that Karachi, Toramana and those Pakistani guys of Canadian citizenship have extraordinarily similar views , as if they are listening to a same teacher in the class.

[toughpashtun]

So with time i have across some people on the Pakistani forum (Punjabis, Kashmiris and Mohajirs) residing in Canada who were using same language as Tarek Fateh of Canada and had same weird and twisted views on Islam and Muslims as him . I felt they had attended same classes as as Karachi and Toramana of this forum. Whats going on there?. Is some organization there working on them?. It can not be coincidence that Karachi, Toramana and those Pakistani guys of Canadian citizenship have extraordinarily similar views , as if they are listening to a same teacher in the class.

They are probably forced to adopt and propagate these views in order to obtain Canadian citizenship lol.
[MENTION=19566]Elite Pakhtun[/MENTION] should be better equipped to answer your question since he lives there , but thankfully is sane enough not to go down the path of Tarek Fateh and co.

[maneatinglizard]

Muslims are very weak in the Americas. A lot of people try way too hard to fit in here, and abandon everything about their religion and culture except for the most superficial aspects.

South America is even worse than North, by the way. The community there is mostly Arab, but a lot of them have pretty much completely integrated into the local populations and abandoned Islam. Sadly, I think the same will probably happen to most Muslims in Canada and the US within a few generations.

But the people who are active in Muslim communities tend to be nothing like these losers. It's usually people on the outskirts of the Muslim community, or people who barely practiced Islam in the first place, who end up with these ideologies.

They are probably forced to adopt and propagate these views in order to obtain Canadian citizenship lol.
[MENTION=19566]Elite Pakhtun[/MENTION] should be better equipped to answer your question since he lives there , but thankfully is sane enough not to go down the path of Tarek Fateh and co.

Neither Canada nor the US forces anyone to act like this to gain citizenship. Plenty of strict Muslims live in both countries with little resistance, Alhamdulillah. Canada has hardcore Deobandi and Salafi madrasas that probable receive less harassment than the ones in Arab countries. These people prostitute themselves by choice, not by force.

[Baserka]

I don't know who Tariq fatah is (guy with rumi hat??) but pakistanies in Canada don't typically integrate with other communities and tend to stick to their own.
What is the "Tarik fatah language"??

[Kakar-Wardak]

Canada and USA only accepts the so called middle class educated pakistani mostly from lahore, Karachi, Isb most of these people are not religous to begin with, once they migrate abroad into individualistic society they eventually they lose their religion, europe is different because all types of muslims migrate there, poor, rich educated, uneducated.

[Elite Pakhtun]

I never paid attention to it. I have met some like that in Canada. I've also met them in Pakistan.

I'm pretty sure many were non-religious before even migrating. I doubt much changed in Canada.

Karachi is not likely a Pakistani to begin with.

[Elite Pakhtun]

They are probably forced to adopt and propagate these views in order to obtain Canadian citizenship lol.

No. Citizenship application is based on a points system. Its very objective. The wait times etc I can't speak for, but to be qualified is based on points.

[maneatinglizard]

Karachi is not likely a Pakistani to begin with.

It's super obvious he's a mentally-ill Indian. Does anyone actually believe that he's Pakistani?

[toughpashtun]

No. Citizenship application is based on a points system. Its very objective. The wait times etc I can't speak for, but to be qualified is based on points.

Asay gup me lagao yaar. Dumra be khabara nayam da dunia na

[toughpashtun]

Neither Canada nor the US forces anyone to act like this to gain citizenship. Plenty of strict Muslims live in both countries with little resistance, Alhamdulillah. Canada has hardcore Deobandi and Salafi madrasas that probable receive less harassment than the ones in Arab countries. These people prostitute themselves by choice, not by force.

Haha I was just kidding there.
But seriously , its not just about being religious or non-religious.
Samandri was pointing towards the prevalence of Canadian migrants bashing and showing their hatred for Islam and Muslims almost obsessively.

[Samandri]

This particular brand of anti-islam with a distinct style, is not from U.S but from Canada. I am not talking about irreligious or weak Muslims. There can be only one explanation for it. These Canadian persons are attending seminars of some particular organization or some thing like that.

[maneatinglizard]

This particular brand of anti-islam with a distinct style, is not from U.S but from Canada. I am not talking about irreligious or weak Muslims. There can be only one explanation for it. These Canadian persons are attending seminars of some particular organization or some thing like that.

I don't see anything about them that sets them apart from the "progressive" Muslims in America, and other parts of the West.

His organization is the Muslim Canadian Congress, which has ties to groups in the US and elsewhere. It may seem novel to you, but these types of covert munafiqeen are not unique in the West. They get tons of funding from governments, but so far have been extremely unpopular in the Muslim community.

As for people like Karachi, I doubt he's been influenced by these types. He just comes across as legitimately mentally-ill, and I wouldn't be surprised if he never actually was Muslim. As far as I can see, he hasn't displayed any knowledge of Islam outside of the garbage you'd find on something like wikiIslam or from people like Daniel Pipes or Ibn Warraq.

[Firdousi]

This particular brand of anti-islam with a distinct style, is not from U.S but from Canada. I am not talking about irreligious or weak Muslims. There can be only one explanation for it. These Canadian persons are attending seminars of some particular organization or some thing like that.

They all sound the same to me. "Islam, the religion of peace", "Muslims are evil", "Islam is a disgrace", "Where are the moderate Muslims?" and so on. Thats their mantra. They might display their hatred with different words and different ways but at the end of the day there is not too much difference.

[Firdousi]

Canada and USA only accepts the so called middle class educated pakistani mostly from lahore, Karachi, Isb most of these people are not religous to begin with, once they migrate abroad into individualistic society they eventually they lose their religion, europe is different because all types of muslims migrate there, poor, rich educated, uneducated.

Na I dont think so. Its more about the national identity and national dynamics in Europe and the USA. USA is the melting pot. Any person no amtter his religion or ethnic background can and will become an American. Thats why most of inmmigrants do integrate and assimilate easily into the American way of life.

Europe is different. Here ethnicity plays a key role in European national indentities. You might become a German citizen by getting a German passport but nobody will ever consider you a "pure German" no matter how rich, educated or smart you are. At the end of the day you got dark hair so you are different. Thats why Muslims in Europe keep their communities and identity more alive than in the USA: we will always be considered aliens by native Europeans. Not that I really care. I am quite happy with my identity.

[Karachi]

Dumb idiots. In Canada we learn how to respect our fellow human beings. Be it hindus, sikhs,jews,christians, even athiests. Everyone in this world has a point of view. We treat everyone the same regardless of their background or religion. Not what Islam teaches, Islam is against every other religion, it is religion of war and destruction.
Also this is something you wild cavemen pathans will never understand. You still kill and sell your daughters and rape your own kids. Heck even most other pakistanis are much more civilized then you people. You people dont have an inch of humanity in you. This is why god is destroying your qaum. You are the worse of worse, even among other barbaric muslims