Punjabi and Pashto

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Actually both here in America and the UK, there are Punjabi Indian/Pakistani Porno actresses.


Two examples I saw in the news.

Nadia Ali (actress - Wikipedia)

Pakistani pornstar Nadia Ali participates in anti-Hijab adult film – Daily Pakistan

Sunny Leone Sikh Punjabi

Sunny Leone - Wikipedia

[Traveller]

Interesting. In my experience, Pashtuns and "Indians" (over here they all speak Urdu so I never know what ethnicity they belong to specifically unless I know them well) are probably the people who remain most committed to Islam when moving to the West. The Indians of the UK in particular have created great communities where they preserve their religious and cultural identity (to the point that people complain that they still teach in Urdu decades after the first arrivals, something I find admirable). I was actually surprised when I first heard of Punjabis being irreligious in Pakistan, as all the ones I knew were very good people. Of course, there's confirmation bias at work there, since most of the Punjabis I know I met in a Masjid, and one difference between Arabs and Afghans/Iranians/Indians is that pretty much every Arab goes to the Masjid and prays at least every once in a while, even the ones that commit every sin imaginable. But apart from that, Afghans and Indians tend to be more far more committed to other aspects of Islam, such as eating halal only and not intermingling genders.



In my experience it's the complete opposite lol. Pashtun girls tend to be by far the most strict with hijab, as well as satar in general. Arab girls and guys hang out without much shyness (even religious girls, except they'll wear a scarf), and the only people who consistently separate genders when visiting each others' homes are Pashtuns.

There are exceptions, especially since many of the original immigrants to the West were communists who fled the Mujahideen, and most of the new ones are traitors who worked for the US invasion, but aside from those we're better off than most Muslims. But everyone here in the US slowly loses their cultural identity, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Pashtuns and other Muslims become indistinguishable from other Americans within a few generations.

It is true that south asians and Pashtuns(I don't want to get into a debate over whether Pashtuns are South Asian) tend remain more comitted to Islam. Keep in mind though that I live in a small town and the condotions of Muslims in larger communities is probably different. The fact that you live in the U.K. Probably also is a contributing factor.
As for hijab and satar, I literally don't know a single Pashtun girl that wears it. Where I live it is most common among Arabs followed by Desis. But then again I'm not working with a very large data pool as I live in a small community.

[Traveller]

The problem is Iranics (and Shami Arabs and Turks) can usually blend into Western society a lot better. Most of us can pass for either Mexicans/Hispanics or white people, which opens up a lot of social and dating opportunities that don't exist for people who look much more overtly "foreign" than the typical Westerner.

That's my theory as well.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Guys you need to understand that female nature is the same it dosen't matter if she is arab, afghan or indic, female nature is the same all over. Only fear of men in her family can tame this nature, the west has cucked men so that fear is no longer there, the state will always take care of her.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

While I agree with the cucking of men as byproduct of Western social engineering. I don't endorse this very pessimistic and misguided notion of female nature. Women like men have essentially the same core wants and needs ...and that includes companionship and sex . In our species generally, that pathway and modus has been different than for men. We Overlap and yet we're complimentary and distinct.

Using fear to shape people is the wrong way to go, because you don't change hearts with fear, all you do is make people think you're a psychopath, and that they have to do whatever you want so you won't harm them. When love is the approach, people see the real essence of your influence and why you're involved. If you want women to understand their worth, you have to instill an understanding of what self respect and dignity means.

The reason some women end up like the Punjabi women I showed above is because they were never really taught to love themselves. so they run to things that fill the emptiness and pain they've experienced. Being threatened is a PAINFUL experience for anyone. It's psychologically painful, the people who are supposed to love and care for you expressing hostility as if you have little worth. That's painful. And that's what ends up shaping these girls. Love is not a bunch of rhetoric or bravado or false displays of pride. Love are the principles used to cultivate the best qualities of the human soul.

Of course the flipside is also true; over feed people's ego and vanity and they get spoiled. This is what happens to males, they feel entitled and become ungrateful.

Sometimes we may have to use force, but that should be the last and final approach, and it should never be driven by anger or hostility, but mercy.

[miniskit]

Yeah, that's it, although I clearly said INDIC men, and Pashtuns aren't Indic. oh well, minor discrepancy I guess.

I've seen Pakistanis make fun of afghan hindi accent on youtube. It sound like transgender trying to speak hindi. Transgenders have identity crisis and try to fit as best as possible by sounding like women.

But I'm sure afghans in their own language speak normally like Indians do in their own.

[maneatinglizard]

It is true that south asians and Pashtuns(I don't want to get into a debate over whether Pashtuns are South Asian) tend remain more comitted to Islam. Keep in mind though that I live in a small town and the condotions of Muslims in larger communities is probably different. The fact that you live in the U.K. Probably also is a contributing factor.
As for hijab and satar, I literally don't know a single Pashtun girl that wears it. Where I live it is most common among Arabs followed by Desis. But then again I'm not working with a very large data pool as I live in a small community.

Actually I live in the US. But I have family in the UK and have visited, so I know the community there somewhat.

Really surprised to hear there are no Pashtun girls around you who wear hijab. How big is the community? I live in a decently sized community, and here the majority of Pashtuns cover. Maybe not proper hijab, but at least a headscarf and loose clothing. The only ones who don't are pretty much the ones who came from Kabuli families where the mother didn't wear them in Afghanistan either.

[Elias]

Punjabi is a rough language and does not sound feminine. Urdu and farsi does sound extra flamboyant.

All indic languages sound feminine and you guys have a very thin and annoying voice. But it sounds also funny

Pakistani big fight - YouTube

cant tell the difference lol

Crazy Frog - The Original Crazy Frog Song - HD Quality! - YouTube

[a.s.takhar]

All indic languages sound feminine and you guys have a very thin and annoying voice. But it sounds also funny

Pakistani big fight - YouTube

cant tell the difference lol

Crazy Frog - The Original Crazy Frog Song - HD Quality! - YouTube

Do you know what Pashto sound like? Take a tin box and put some stones in it, close the lid and shake the box about. Thats what your language sounds like.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I've seen Pakistanis make fun of afghan hindi accent on youtube. It sound like transgender trying to speak hindi. Transgenders have identity crisis and try to fit as best as possible by sounding like women.

But I'm sure afghans in their own language speak normally like Indians do in their own.

Well this is true, Indics do suffer from Identity Crsis, which might explain why Indic men sound so feminine in whichever language they speak, there's also a high number of transgenders among Indics which explains a lot too.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

All indic languages sound feminine and you guys have a very thin and annoying voice. But it sounds also funny

Pakistani big fight - YouTube

cant tell the difference lol

Crazy Frog - The Original Crazy Frog Song - HD Quality! - YouTube

hahhaa oh my god ...yesssssss

[Dost]

[MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION]

How does it feel that most people living in US have agreed with me, while you tried to call me a liar? What would I get out of lying?

Habitual liar? lol

You are literally living in some made up fantasy in your head. You'll never grow up.

[Dost]

Did you conduct some census in reaching to the conclusion that 40% are good and 40% are bad?....i dont think your interactions and observations can be that vast in America as Pakistani and Afghan families are not in one neighborhood but are scattered across America. What are you saying , is also said about Punjabis and Indian Mohajirs. It must have some thing to do with American society. But i was not talking about religion and Americanization, by Hindu-ish and Sikh-ish i meant they become more honest about their indic roots and desi culture , and they get along very well with Sikhs and other Indians in abroad. In Pakistan there is artificiality of hating their own indic kinsmen on the other side of wahga. When environment of Pakistan is removed, they embrace their indic kinsmen.

lol

Pathans get along better with sikhs than pakistani punjabis out here in new york city. The world is bigger than abbotabad.

[Traveller]

lol

Pathans get along better with sikhs than pakistani punjabis out here in new york city. The world is bigger than abbotabad.

This is a complete lie. Pashtuns are closer to other Muslims then they are to anyone else in the West.
When I was talking to Samandri it was a Pashtun talking to another Pashtun about Pashtun problems. It wasn't for you to to take advantage and score points. Remember that you are a guest here and that this is a forum for us to discuss our culture, language, and society. It is not a place for you to score points. Like Samandri said to you earlier, when we say something against our fellow Pashtuns it is not a signal for Punjabis(or any non-Pashtun) to jump in and give their two cents.

[Traveller]

Actually I live in the US. But I have family in the UK and have visited, so I know the community there somewhat.

Really surprised to hear there are no Pashtun girls around you who wear hijab. How big is the community? I live in a decently sized community, and here the majority of Pashtuns cover. Maybe not proper hijab, but at least a headscarf and loose clothing. The only ones who don't are pretty much the ones who came from Kabuli families where the mother didn't wear them in Afghanistan either.

I know five girls that are in Hijab-wearing age from two families (that should give you an idea of how small my community is) that don't wear it. Although tbf one of them wants to wear it but her parents won't let her(they are afraid because of the current political climate).