Why does Bacha Bazi happen in the first place?

[maneatinglizard]

It's disappointing to see Afghans/Pashtuns talking about Bacha Bazi from the Western lens. The reality is that pederasty exists everywhere. The only differences are that Afghanistan has a long standing underground sub-culture that helps network pederasts, and that Western media has sensationalized the practice and exaggerated its extent.

Western media is obsessed with magnifying every vice that exists in Muslim societies, so of course they jumped on the opportunity to humiliate us and make it seem like our culture is naturally inclined towards these practices. They also conveniently leave out how the only people okay with bacha bazi in Aghanistan are the pedophiles themselves.

But what's said is to see Afghans, Pashtuns, and Muslims repeat the imperialistic Western propaganda portraying our culture as inherently backward and prone to things like this. The idea that separation between men and women leads to pedophilia is hilarious. A guy who isn't attracted to boys isn't going to start sleeping with them because he doesn't have access to girls, and neither is a guy attracted to boys going to satiate his perversion by having a girlfriend. Most of these bacha baz guys are already married by the time they have the money and power to take part in the parties.

The solution to bacha bazi isn't a cultural change, it's a legal one. Punish everyone involved in the practice severely (including the boys who do it willingly; if they are forced they shouldn't be punished), and they'll be forced to become more and more underground, until the networks are all cut off from one another and die out. There will still be individuals who commit pederasty on their own (because they exist everywhere), but at least the network that enables and perpetuates them will no longer exist. The Taliban were able to accomplish this (though they weren't in power long enough to completely uproot it), so other governments should be able to as well.

I have also heard that in deep tribal societies the full burkha isn't that prevalent and women would normally cover up with just a "teekrai".

Villages in tribal areas are separated by family, so they don't wear chador/burqa while in the village, only a tikrai as you said. If they have to leave their village for some reason (like to visit a doctor), they'll cover up fully.

We all have heard songs about women going to the rivers to correct water... I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been wearing "burkhe", and guys would go and look at them.

The looking is done in secret. If a girl knows someone is looking at her, she'll cover her face, but rural areas are sparsely populated, and manual work is difficult perform in a burqa.

[Nekrofrost]

Because "ghareeb tabah de" and these idiots will try to end their ghareebi on dudes,children and animals too cuz thats how horny they are

[Karachi]

It exists in environment where women are basically banned in every form and way. Countries like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia

[Nekrofrost]

Also bachabazi is a very outlawed thing and most of the time the rejects of society like your gangsters and talibs do that **** and its pretty rare to find it among your common pashtun.

However pashtuns do do some things that one might think of as "homo", like hugging dudes(or sometimes even kissing dudes on the cheeks but thats rare) but is really not and is prevalent in all of the more masculine societies like arabs or italians and such. Alot of the time youll see punjabis making fun of us pashtuns for these things further fuel to the "pashtuns are bachabaz" stereotype.

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Also bachabazi is a very outlawed thing and most of the time the rejects of society like your gangsters and talibs do that **** and its pretty rare to find it among your common pashtun.

However pashtuns do do some things that one might think of as "homo", like hugging dudes(or sometimes even kissing dudes on the cheeks but thats rare) but is really not and is prevalent in all of the more masculine societies like arabs or italians and such. Alot of the time youll see punjabis making fun of us pashtuns for these things further fuel to the "pashtuns are bachabaz" stereotype.

Such behavior is discouraged by Islam. The Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said people should greet each other with a hand shake.

It was narrated that Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: A man said, “O Messenger of Allaah, when a man among us meets his brother and friend, should he bow to him?” He said, “No.” He said, “Should he embrace him and kiss him?” He said, “No.” He said, “Should he take his hand and shake hands?” He said, “Yes.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi

Although hugging and kissing someone, especially kissing the hands and feet of someone who is pious or elderly, is allowed, hugging/embracing other people and kissing them on the cheek should only be done occasionally and not made into a custom, like it is a custom among Afghans and Arabs.

There are many fada'il of simply shaking hands, for example, Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said when two Believers greet each other by shaking hands their sins fall like dying leaves from a tree.

[maneatinglizard]

There is no such law in the Shari'a which forbids a man to be alone with a boy. This is some rule that was invented by some Fuqaha, but it has no evidence from Quraan and Sunna.

That is because it is abnormal and unnatural for a man to be attracted to a boy, it is even unnatural to be sexually attracted to a pre-pubescent girl.

This is why Hijab/Purda is mandated for adult women, not for boys or girls.

Shari'a is the only thing that matters. What some Islamic jurists invented because of cultural or social problems has nothing to do with Shari'a.

This post makes it so obvious that Dhul-Fiqar desperately wishes he could do bacha bazi.

Or maybe I'm reading this wrong and he wishes that he was a bacha .

He's become a Ghayr Muqallid just so he could demand his "right" be be secluded with young boys. Remember when this Qadiani fool originally came here claiming to be a Deobandi Mamati?

Dhul-Fiqar's favorite saying is "When I see a Bacha, my heart says Acha!"

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This post makes it so obvious that Dhul-Fiqar desperately wishes he could do bacha bazi.

Or maybe I'm reading this wrong and he wishes that he was a bacha .

He's become a Ghayr Muqallid just so he could demand his "right" be be secluded with young boys. Remember when this Qadiani fool originally came here claiming to be a Deobandi Mamati?

Dhul-Fiqar's favorite saying is "When I see a Bacha, my heart says Acha!"

First to cry out thief steals the treasure

It's actually the opposite. The fact that you think adult men should not be alone with little boys means your psyche has sexualized and aroused by little boys.

For the vast majority of the world, there is nothing sexual about little kids. Only sick pedophiles like you think like that.

So yes, people like you, whose culture is big on bacha baazi, should definitely be prevented from being anywhere near a kid, but our Shari'a has made no such general rule because general rules are meant to prevent general concerns.

[maneatinglizard]

First to cry out thief steals the treasure

It's actually the opposite. The fact that you think adult men should not be alone with little boys means your psyche has sexualized and aroused by little boys.

For the vast majority of the world, there is nothing sexual about little kids. Only sick pedophiles like you think like that.

So yes, people like you, whose culture is big on bacha baazi, should definitely be prevented from being anywhere near a kid, but our Shari'a has made no such general rule because general rules are meant to prevent general concerns.

The freedom to seclude yourself with little boys is clearly important to you. You can't expose yourself as a closet pedophile (at least I hope you're still in the closet) and then try to turn it around on the one who exposed you.

"No you're the pedophile." What are you, a child? No, but I guess spending all your time thinking about them, and trying to surround yourself with them might lead you to thinking like one. At least that might also explain how stupid most of the things you say are.

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The freedom to seclude yourself with little boys is clearly important to you. You can't expose yourself as a closet pedophile (at least I hope you're still in the closet) and then try to turn it around on the one who exposed you.

"No you're the pedophile." What are you, a child? No, but I guess spending all your time thinking about them, and trying to surround yourself with them might lead you to thinking like one. At least that might also explain how stupid most of the things you say are.

Once again I repeat, it's your perverted mind that has sexualized little boys and so you project your sickness on to another person who happens to be alone with a young boy for a normal reason: such as being his teacher, tutor, coach, counselor, doctor, etc.

Does a normal person go out of his way to be secluded with a young boy? That is definitely problematic. But in the course of normal affairs and behavior there are many instances where a man may be alone with a young boy, examples already given. There is nothing sinister about it unless your mind has already sexualized boys and so you are projecting your sickness on normal behavior which is actually particular to you.

Yes you, who has sexualized boys, should definitely not be alone with a boy for even a moment.

In the Shari'a, men are forbidden from being alone with unrelated adult women. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said when a man is alone with a woman, the devil is the third one present. Why? Because that is normal for a man to be attracted to an adult woman.

Did the Prophet say if a man is alone with a young boy, the devil is present? No, because that is unnatural for a man to be attracted to a young boy, just like homosexuality is unnatural and beastiality is unnatural.

Hope you learned something.

Also, I am not attacking any of the Fiqh, but I don't consider any Fiqh to be infallible like Shari'a. The Hanafi and other fiqh which forbids a man to be secluded with a young beardless boy just seems to me that the person who made up this rule must have himself had some kind of sexual attraction to boys, so he projected his own sickness on to others and made a rule in Fiqh that is totally absent from the divinely-revealed Shari'a.

Its actually rules from fiqh like that which Islamophobes and orientalists latch on to in order to prove that Muslims and Islam is perverted. You are actually giving them ammunition by defending such made up rules.

[maneatinglizard]

Once again I repeat, it's your perverted mind that has sexualized little boys and so you project your sickness on to another person who happens to be alone with a young boy for a normal reason: such as being his teacher, tutor, coach, counselor, doctor, etc.

Does a normal person go out of his way to be secluded with a young boy? That is definitely problematic. But in the course of normal affairs and behavior there are many instances where a man may be alone with a young boy, examples already given. There is nothing sinister about it unless your mind has already sexualized boys and so you are projecting your sickness on normal behavior which is actually particular to you.

Oh my God, you're actually trying to explain why you need to be secluded with boys.

Is this what you tell yourself every time you catch yourself stealing a glance at some young boy?

Yes you, who has sexualized boys, should definitely not be alone with a boy for even a moment.

You just gave a long explanation as to why your seclusion with buys is good and pure.

Don't try to act like it's everyone else that has a thing for them. Again, responding to an accusation by throwing it back at the accuser just makes you look more guilty. A normal person would disregard accusations of pederasty as ridiculous. The fact that you have a ready-made defense for this, and are clearly disturbed by it, suggests that this isn't the first time such suspicions have been aroused about you, whether by others or yourself.

In the Shari'a, men are forbidden from being alone with unrelated adult women. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said when a man is alone with a woman, the devil is the third one present. Why? Because that is normal for a man to be attracted to an adult woman.

Did the Prophet say if a man is alone with a young boy, the devil is present? No, because that is unnatural for a man to be attracted to a young boy, just like homosexuality is unnatural and beastiality is unnatural.

Hope you learned something.

I have, but it's something about you I wish I didn't know.

Eww.

Also, I am not attacking any of the Fiqh, but I don't consider any Fiqh to be infallible like Shari'a. The Hanafi and other fiqh which forbids a man to be secluded with a young beardless boy just seems to me that the person who made up this rule must have himself had some kind of sexual attraction to boys, so he projected his own sickness on to others and made a rule in Fiqh that is totally absent from the divinely-revealed Shari'a.

You're nobody to question the intentions of the fuqaha. You're a deranged and ignorant Qadiani/Ghayr Muqallid/Mujassim/etc. who also has a thing for boys apparently.

You don't seem to understand this, but I'll be patient with you and say it again: we don't care what you have to say about Islam. Your rantings and ravings about Islam are literally ignored by all of us.

Its actually rules from fiqh like that which Islamophobes and orientalists latch on to in order to prove that Muslims and Islam is perverted. You are actually giving them ammunition by defending such made up rules.

Ahh the inferiority complex strikes once again. So because white people don't like our laws, we should reject them?

Meanwhile, you literally believe that some stupid Punjabi is the reincarnation of Rasulullah (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam), Isa (alayhi salam), Krishna, Imam Mahdi, and probably a bunch of other things. But you think Islamic law is embarrassing LOL.

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The lizard-eater doesn't realize he sets himself up again and again.

Its his people that have a culture of sexualizing boys and Bacha Baazi, not mine.

'They prefer boys in Afghanistan': Dancing bachas recruited for sex (RT Documentary) - YouTube

No matter how many personal attacks he makes on me in this forum

its his pashtun people that will always be renowned internationally as boy-lovers

[Nekrofrost]

So yes, people like you, whose culture is big on bacha baazi

You do know that most chokras are feminine grown ass punjabi men like you right 😂?