Kabul and Peshawar differences?

[Samandri]

Pakistan's Military-Ethnic Composition - Pakistan


The percentage of the different ethnic groups as of 2007:
Punjabis: 53.19% (represented accurately because it has half the population)
Pashtuns: 21% ( 15 % of population but still more in percentage )
Sindhis: 13.5%
Kashmiris: 9.11%
Balochis: 3.2%

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Dishonest Panjabu.......ISPR has released only statement in entire history about ethnic composition of Army, and it was in 2007 according to which Pashtuns are 13.4% and Punjabis were 71 % of total......


"After the passage of historic 18th Constitutional amendment, an editorial of monthly Hilal – a magazine published by the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) – marketed Pakistan’s armed forces as a true federal institution. Critics have always described Pakistan’s military as a ‘Punjab dominated institution’ in terms of their composition, soul and spirit. In 2007, an information brief by the ISPR certified that in 2001 Punjabis comprised over 71 percent of the army."

Federalizing the armed forces ‹ The Friday Times

"Within a decade (2001-2011), the composition of Pakhtuns in the army would increase by one per cent to 14.5 per cent." http://www.dawn.com/news/266159/punjab

[Peshawer_222]

Dishonest Panjabu.......ISPR has released only statement in entire history about ethnic composition of Army, and it was in 2007 according to which Pashtuns are 13.4% and Punjabis were 71 % of total......


"After the passage of historic 18th Constitutional amendment, an editorial of monthly Hilal – a magazine published by the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) – marketed Pakistan’s armed forces as a true federal institution. Critics have always described Pakistan’s military as a ‘Punjab dominated institution’ in terms of their composition, soul and spirit. In 2007, an information brief by the ISPR certified that in 2001 Punjabis comprised over 71 percent of the army."

Federalizing the armed forces ‹ The Friday Times

"Within a decade (2001-2011), the composition of Pakhtuns in the army would increase by one per cent to 14.5 per cent." Punjab’s dominance in army being reduced: ISPR - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Pashtuns comprise 15 % of population . Its propotional to the number of armymen they have ? How is that different to anything I said ? Check out Cricket/Hockey teams where there is a mix bag of Punjabis , Pashtuns , Urdu Speaking and Sindhis . This is'nt Afghanistans football or Cricket team where entire squad will either be Tajik or Pashtuns .

[Peshawer_222]

Majority of the budget is not the same as more money in proportion to their population.

Explain why most mega projects benefit punjab. Explain why CPEC has to be a curve instead of as close as possible to a straight line?

Chinese embassy releases province-wise share under CPEC project

Balochistan 16
Sindh 13
Punjab 12
KP 8

Read on the developments in KP and Balochistan instead of stereotyping everything .

[Elite Pakhtun]

Chinese embassy releases province-wise share under CPEC project

Balochistan 16
Sindh 13
Punjab 12
KP 8

Read on the developments in KP and Balochistan instead of stereotyping everything .

You're not answering my question. Why is the new Road curving into Punjab province for no apparent reason?

Punjab gets lion’s share in Chinese projects - The Express Tribune

According to official statistics, out of the total of 330 projects, 176 are in Punjab while only eight projects have been allocated for Balochistan.
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As many as 1,912 security personnel have been deployed in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa to provide protection to 698 Chinese nationals, working on the 19 projects in the province.

[Samandri]

Pashtuns comprise 15 % of population . Its propotional to the number of armymen they have ? How is that different to anything I said ? Check out Cricket/Hockey teams where there is a mix bag of Punjabis , Pashtuns , Urdu Speaking and Sindhis . This is'nt Afghanistans football or Cricket team where entire squad will either be Tajik or Pashtuns .

Its definitely different than what you were claiming. You were making a false claim that Pashtuns are over-represented in army i.e they are 21%, and i had to correct you that its only 13.4%.....your brain seem to be busted and its apparent that its not working properly.

And there are always 8 or 9 Punjabi players in Pakistani cricket team in a match, thats over-representation (in a match you wont find more than two Pashtuns in cricket team at a time) ......Hockey team is almost entirely Punjabi..... while Pakistani football team is mostly Baloch and Pashtun (fortunately Punjabis have no taste for football)......so the teams of few sports that take place in Pakistan, are very unbalanced and disproportionate

[Peshawer_222]

Its definitely different than what you were claiming. You were making a false claim that Pashtuns are over-represented in army i.e they are 21%, and i had to correct you that its only 13.4%.....your brain seem to be busted and its apparent that its not working properly.

And there are always 8 or 9 Punjabi players in Pakistani cricket team in a match, thats over-representation (in a match you wont find more than two Pashtuns in cricket team at a time) ......Hockey team is almost entirely Punjabi..... while Pakistani football team is mostly Baloch and Pashtun (fortunately Punjabis have no taste for football)......so the teams of few sports that take place in Pakistan, are very unbalanced and disproportionate

Hmmm no . I remember Afridi , Umar gul , Younis Khan , Junaid Khan playing in one team at a time . Squash's greatest in history were Pakistani Pashtuns Jansher Khan and Hashim Khan .

As for the army claims here is another quote from a credible site .

https://jamestown.org/program/musharraf-contends-with-the-pashtun-element-in-the-pakistani-army/

the estimation of two leading experts on the Pakistani army, namely Stephen P. Cohen of the Brookings Institution and Professor Hasan Askari Rizvi of Pakistan, indicates roughly that the Pashtun representation in the army is between 15-22% among officers and between 20-25% among the regular rank-and-file. However, Pashtuns from the NWFP, the third largest province out of four, and tribal areas together comprise only 16% of the country’s overall population -

[Peshawer_222]

You're not answering my question. Why is the new Road curving into Punjab province for no apparent reason?

Punjab gets lion’s share in Chinese projects - The Express Tribune

According to official statistics, out of the total of 330 projects, 176 are in Punjab while only eight projects have been allocated for Balochistan.
...
As many as 1,912 security personnel have been deployed in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa to provide protection to 698 Chinese nationals, working on the 19 projects in the province.

Apparently Chinese officials clearance is not enough for you ? Some of KP officials were trying to play politics over CPEC . Their visa's were rejected when they wanted to go to china . China then gave the following statement :

CPEC: China dispels impression of less share of KP, Balochistan | Top Story | thenews.com.pk

ISLAMABAD: Deputy Chief of Mission here at the Chinese Embassy, Zhao Lijian, on Wednesday dispelled the impression about less share of Khyber Pakhtukhwa (KP) and Balochistan as he explained the share of four provinces in the $51.5 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project.Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan Sun Weidong said that reports that he had told KP Chief Minister Pervaiz Khattak that the Western route was not included in the CPEC were “untrue.”

Giving the break-up of CPEC project, Zhao wrote in a series of tweets pasted at Wali Zahid’s blog that the number of projects included: Balochistan 16, KP 8, Sindh 13 and Punjab 12.

Zhao said at least 16 projects under CPEC related to Balochistan. These included Khuzdar-Basima Highway (N-30), D I Khan-Quetta Highway (N-50), Hubco Coal Power Plant, Gwadar Power Plant, Gwadar-Nawabshah LNG Terminal and Pipeline, Gwadar Eastbay Expressway, Gwadar New International Airport, Gwadar Smart Port City Master Plan, Expansion of Multi-purpose Terminal including Breakwater and Dredging Wastewater, Treatment Plants for Gwadar City, Gwadar Primary School, Gwadar Hospital Upgradation, Gwadar Technical and Vocational College, Gwadar Eastbay Expressway II, Fresh Water Supply and Gwadar Free Zone.

About Khyber Pakhtun-khwa, he said at least eight he said at least eight projects under CPEC related to KP including Joint Feasibility Study for Upgradation of ML1, Establishment of Havelian Dry Port, KKH II (Havelian-Thakot), Upgradation of ML-1, KKH III (Raikot-Thakot), D I Khan-Quetta Highway (N-50), Suki Kinari Hydropower Project and Optical Fiber Cable from Rawalpindi to Khunjrab.

He said that 13 CPEC projects related to Sindh including Matiari-Lahore Transmission Line, Matiari-Faisalabad Transmission Line, Port Qasim Power Plant, Engro Thar Power Plant & Surface Mine in Block II of Thar Coal Field, Dawood Wind Farm, Jhimpir Wind Farm, Sachal Wind Farm, China-Sunec Wind Farm, Upgradation of ML-1, Thar Coal Block I & Mine Mouth Power Plant,Gwadar-Nawabshah LNG Terminal and Pipeline, Karachi-Lahore Motorway (Sukkur-Multan) and Joint Feasibility Study for Upgradation of ML1.

He said that only 12 projects under CPEC related to Punjab including Optical Fiber Cable from Rawalpindi to Khunjrab, Haier and Ruba Economic Zone II, Karachi-Lahore Motorway (Sukkur-Multan), Joint Feasibility Study for Upgradation of ML1, Upgradation of ML-1, Sahiwal Coal-Fired Power Plant, Rahimyar Khan Coal Power Plant, Karot Hydro-Power Plant, Lahore Orange Line Metro Train, Matiari-Lahore Transmission Line, Matiari-Faisalabad Transmission Line and Quaid-i-Azam Solar Park in Bahawalpur.

[dawn]

Pashtuns comprise 15 % of population . Its propotional to the number of armymen they have ? How is that different to anything I said ? Check out Cricket/Hockey teams where there is a mix bag of Punjabis , Pashtuns , Urdu Speaking and Sindhis . This is'nt Afghanistans football or Cricket team where entire squad will either be Tajik or Pashtuns .

This is true, I've seen 7 pakhtuns playing for Pak at the same time. Only Baloch and Sindhi players are rare.

[Peshawer_222]

This is true, I've seen 7 pakhtuns playing for Pak at the same time. Only Baloch and Sindhi players are rare.

He thinks every place is like Afghanistan where they fight amongst each other like cave people as to who's superior .

[Elite Pakhtun]

This is true, I've seen 7 pakhtuns playing for Pak at the same time. Only Baloch and Sindhi players are rare.

When?

The representation has been very poor in the past 4-5 years, Samandri is 100% right.

Even very recently everyone wanted to chastise Misbah, when all the other batsmen can't stand their ground for more than 10 runs.

[Peshawer_222]

When?

The representation has been very poor in the past 4-5 years, Samandri is 100% right.

Even very recently everyone wanted to chastise Misbah, when all the other batsmen can't stand their ground for more than 10 runs.

Afridi , Junaid Khan , Younis Khan , Umer Gul , Misbah ( Niazi ) . Despite comprising 15 % of the population there were always more than 2 Pashtuns in the team

[Samandri]

NWFP (KPK) representation in army has actually decreased from 19.5% in 1947 to 14%

[dawn]

^^
Look at increase in Sindh and Balochistan. British inherited Pak army was mostly recruited from punjab and NWFP. But over the years representation from Sindh and Balochistan have increased and Punjab/NWFP share decreased. And lately there has been drive to recruit ethnic Baloch, not just someone from Balochistan. Thousands upon thousands of ethnic Baloch have joined army.

[dawn]

When?

The representation has been very poor in the past 4-5 years, Samandri is 100% right.

Even very recently everyone wanted to chastise Misbah, when all the other batsmen can't stand their ground for more than 10 runs.

I'm not even counting punjabi speaking Misbha among them when I say I've seen 7 players at the time. 4-5 are normal. Like in New Zealand test recently. I bet not many people even know Misbha is pathan. There is no quota system in Pakistan cricket. I don't know any Baloch player who ever played for Pakistan cricket team that doesn't mean we should have some ethnic baloch as token and make mockery of the game.

[marwat]

NWFP (KPK) representation in army has actually decreased from 19.5% in 1947 to 14%

and they are very under represented at higher officer level, i guess there promotion is stopped on purpose. how many corps commander in past and present are from KP? only one army chief was from KP throughout 70 years. how many pashtun have represented navy and air force at highest level. guess not a single one. at higher level KP representation in army is less than 0.1 percent.

According to Stephen P. Cohen ("The Idea of Pakistan", Oxford University Press), around 70% of the army officers are from Punjab, 14% from former NWFP, 9% from Sindh, 3% from Baluchistan and 1.3% from Azad Kashmir. According to Cohen the ratio of Punjabi in the senior ranks increase to more than 80%.