Desi Discussion thread

[Manzareh]

The way things are going, Hindus are marginalising Muslims more and more in India. Look at the past few decades..the police force, government positions and high positions in general are all Hindu dominated. There's many racist tendacies and bias in India. Kashmir want to seperate from Hindus and they are being persecuted. If people like Porus do not admit this then they are most definitely being intellectually dishonest.

This is not very wise for India because in the long run the only thing that is going to happen is the creation of another Pakistan. A huge chunk of people are being pushed into a corner.

[dawn]

Muslim league did not win in Punjab in the 1946 elections, majority of Punjabi Muslims did not support Pakistan.



I mean, if you think Allama Iqbal was the ideologue of Pakistan, then you share the same views as that of Pak Mil. Allama Iqbal wanted Muslims of the world to rise up against the (Christian) Kuffaar, but that doesn't mean he wanted Pakistan. His son Javed Iqbal, to this day, denies Pakistan as a Hindu conspiracy,



Lots of Muslims were behind the idea, but Iqbal wasn't an ideologue for Pakistan. At the end of the day, it wasn't up to Iqbal or Rahmat Ali either. It was up to Jinnah, and he, and his supporters from UP, Bihar, CP and Bengal made it happen. Pakhtunkhwa had Bacha Khan's government, Punjab had the Khaksaars and the Muslim league, but the Muslim league was not a majority in the Punjab, as far as I know. Sindh got more votes for Pakistan than Punjab.

How much you know about secular punjab unionists? Clearly you are one brain dead punjo, even though elite chowkidar pathan is obsessive of people skin more then anything else.

It was not secular movement but movement of landholding class/tribes to protect their own interests in greater punjab which included sikhs and hindus (hindus unionists were from Haryana and not punjabis). Maybe they were worried once British leave their land will be taken and given to low caste people. Once muslims unionists realised they were better off as separate muslim country then they quickly became Muslim Leagues (maybe after making some deal with Jinnah). Unionsts never died, they still rule punjab to this day. Grand fathers of many of current day parliamentarians from punjab were unionists.

And since becoming part of muslim league meant our ancestors had no option but to allow large numbers of alien bhaiyas shoodars to settle in punjab and kill and deport our own sikh jatt cousins. You are retarded for saying muslims are better off in India just because they outbreed hindus. Apart from bollywood their representation in indian army, police and anyother field is next to non.

[Karachi]

We hate our selfs unless we accept we are like you, nope. You're not proving anything by posting random people. We already know indian muhairs, chuhras etc who make significant though not majority look like better version of up/biharis. Even the people you posted look less austroloid then Uttar Pradeshi soldiers.

idiot, these are regular punjabi street folks in Pakistan, how do they look any different from north INdians? are you panjus so blind

[Karachi]

^ the reality is 90% of punjabis are like that, yet you think you are related to afghans, central asians, arabs etc.... which is so stupid, only some 10% of Punjabis tend show features that are somewhat similar to pashtuns and that is because Punjab was invaded and raped so many times over the centuries

[Karachi]

We don't have to look European to look better than Shoodras (Mohajirs). Mohajirs are the ugliest people I've ever seen. Your leader Altaf looks like every Punjabi took a **** and put a pair of glasses and a moustache on it.

average muhajir looks no different from average punjabi you stupid idiot, no one from outside can tell the difference

[Karachi]

Who created Pakistan? Punjabis? We didn't ask for it, you did because you couldn't stand living with Hindus. Was Jinnah a Punjabi? Hell no, he was a Gujju, thin and frail just like your weak people. You guys are hilarious. You break the entire subcontinent, and now you wanna act like it's our fault.

Punjabis enslaving shoodra (mohajirs):



Pathetic UPiite being paraded around:





We'll come for you too boy.

lol idiot keep dreaming, panjus can never erase urduspeaking people

[Karachi]

Porus is right if it wasn't for these slimey Sons of hindus Pakistan would not exist today.

idiot, it was the Nawabs and british who made pakistan, not your average muslim Indians.

[Karachi]

I should actually make this clear now, for any member that reads my comments. I'm not a supporter of Pak Military. Never was. Never will be. My purpose is to put Karachi in his place as a miserable little twat who picks on Punjabis to make himself look good in front of his masters (Pashtuns/Afghans). Pashtuns and all other Afghans have a legitimate concern with Pak Military, its interests in Afghanistan, Pashtun areas, sucking up Baluch resources ALL of which I confide are legit threats to the region.

Picking up a bunch of thugs like the MQM, after they, for no reason, decided to go against the state is not a matter of mourning. Mohajirs are not oppressed. They created Pakistan. They uttered the words 'Pak istan' for the first time. They betrayed Gandhi and Nehru. They imposed Urdu on other ethnics and considered all of them to be 'inferior'. To them, Punjabis were Jaahils and Pathans were barbarians, Sindhis and Baluch were too low down to ever be considered human to them. Now, they're smelling the coffee. It's their fault this has all happened.

it is punjabis who destroyed their own language, cultures because of inferiority complex and imposed Urdu everywhere in pakistan, stop blaming a minortiy of Urduspeaking people for this you idiot. You guys suck and you know it, your language sucks, it is the worst language of south asia, this is why you chose a hindustani language (Urdu) over it

[Samandri]

idiot, it was the Nawabs and british who made pakistan, not your average muslim Indians.

Unionist party , which believed in unity of Punjabi Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus, was winning the elections in Punjab till 1946..............It were Indian Muslims of U.P, Delhi, Bihar etc , the minority in Hindu majority Muslims, who were responsible for creation of Pakistan. Your mohajirs themselves make such claim.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Pakistan had some support, from Muslims who were sympathetic to the idea of a state for Muslims. However, people like Bacha Khan and the Khaksars of Punjab were loyal to their soil. They didn't care about religion being a basis for nationality.

Yeahhh.... it was more than "some". Pakistan had strong support. Bacha Khan did win the 1946 elections, but Khaksars didn't even win 1 seat in 1946, and in 1947 referendum in NWFP the vote was in favor of joining Pakistan. It's not as simple as they didn't care about religion being a basis for nationality, there's a lot more to it.

The election that created Pakistan - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

You can also look at the statistics and compare how the Hindu population of Pakistan has increased vs how the population of Muslims in India has increased over the years. Do a Google search.

I'm aware of this, but I haven't found a convincing reason as to why. Some say extremism, others say the major wars, others say forced conversions. The only thing they're consistent about is it went from 20-25% down to 3%. Are you telling me it was genocide? Pakistan did break up in that time.

Either way, those were all caused indirectly by big bully India. India has been trying to get what isn't theirs, and that's the reason the Pak military is so powerful. Existential threat by someone 6x your size is enough to make a military gain power.

India wants the same thing as Afghanistan does, which is for Pakistan military to stop disputing the current border. It wants Pakistan to accept the line of control and carry on as a decent neighbour.

No, indiots want Pakistan to be "reunited" with them, as they think it belongs to them. Kashmir in theory should be a petty issue for them, it's insignificant in size, but just see how much of a fuss they're making about it.

There's really not much skill involved on their end. All they have to do is outnumber us, and be roughly the same technologically. They can afford to be sc*mbags only because of their numbers.

For which, I don't see that as a problem. If India wants cordial relationships with us, then why should we be worried about Kashmir?

They don't want a cordial relationship. They want Kashmir, and they want to call the shots, and they want us to be subservient to them. In fact, they would happily absorb Pakistan to make their fantasy of a greater Bharat a reality.

If we worry about Kashmir, they'll worry (in turn) about Balochistan, and that can only lead to conflict.

Well, Kashmir doesn't belong to them. It was a princely state, where the king made a decision against it's people and denied them the right to an election.

India has been obsessed with Pakistan for a very long time. This is hardly news.

Rich Muslims like A.R Rahman, Javed Akhtar and MJ Akbar, worked hard to get to where they are right now. They weren't 'discriminated' against. They overcame their obstacles and succeeded in a secular society. Can a Hindu be Pakistan's president? Can a Christian be the Prime Minister? No.

While this is the only good argument you've made, the islamist slant pakistan took was due to military gaining more power and resources, which was due to india being an existential threat. It wasn't until Zia ul Haq that Pakistan was named Islamic Republic. Before Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, alcohol was legal in Pak.

That was my response to you saying Punjabi culture is trashy.

A little nonsensical though. If it's trashy, why should I move? I don't spend my days staring at punjabis lol.

Yeah well, you have freedom enough to say whatever you want regarding ethnicity in Pakistan.

Huzzah... but you're supposed to be defending India.

No dude, saying 'Panjoos are like trashy Indian tv shows' is not like saying Pepsi is worse than Coke. It's a silly statement, and it proves your own prejudice against Punjabis or Indians in general. If you don't like Indian TV shows, just say that you don't like them, but don't drag us into it. It's like me saying 'I hate Tolonews, and all their presenters sound like some Pathans from Peshawar'. That would make me a racist.

If you don't like the content of Indian TV, that's fine. I don't like Indian TV either. But it's not because of their culture. I just hate bad content.

You misunderstood. I didn't (in that post) say punjabis are trash... I said I find (much of) their culture trash because it's nearly the same as indian culture, and most (nearly all?) apu-njabis are heavily influenced by indian garbage. It doesn't appeal to me, because I can't relate to it in any way, to be honest. Punjabis (and others... I did single out Punjabis, but it's obviously not exclusive to them) can relate to their stuff almost naturally, and hence their culture is heavily influenced by it, and hence it was a comment on the cultural thing.

Scroll up. It wasn't "punjus are like", it was "punju culture is like".

I am only talking about certain aspects. I didn't really make mention of, say, the food, or the one offs like NFAK, or nice places/monuments/historical heritage stuff. That's impossible to be influenced by indians, although if it was possible, I'm sure it would be sh*t too.

Nobody's force feeding you tolonews... you don't flick through your cable channels and see tolonews #1, #2, etc. Trust me, if it was a simple matter of change the channel, I wouldn't have cared. But every single channel was some stupid indian cr*p. They didn't even have any "western" (i.e. Hollywood type), or even competing pakistani channels, until the ban. The star channels were the access to TV shows like Friends etc... and even those went Indian on us. Most of the Pakistani channels you see now popped up after the ban by Musharraf.

[dawn]

average muhajir looks no different from average punjabi you stupid idiot, no one from outside can tell the difference

I don't want to troll our urdu speaking brothers because of midget bihari like you. We know the differences and so do rest of the world unless one is trolling. Posting same pictures of shoodars from Lahore will not prove anything. I can post dozens pictures and you still will be in denial. I never denied dalits and other shoodar inmigrants in punjab look somewhat of like muhajirs.

[Samandri]

I have come across tons of Punjabi and tons of Mohajirs of Karachi......and i have to say that Mohajirs of Karachi are not just black-ish in skin colour but are plain ugly in facial features, and have very short statures and puny bodies like typical Biharies and U.P-walas of India........ugliest people, appearance-wise as well as in character.

[Karachi]

I don't want to troll our urdu speaking brothers because of midget bihari like you. We know the differences and so do rest of the world unless one is trolling. Posting same pictures of shoodars from Lahore will not prove anything. I can post dozens pictures and you still will be in denial. I never denied dalits and other shoodar inmigrants in punjab look somewhat of like muhajirs.

according to you, everyone is a shoodar in punjab lol. I am posting pics of crowds in punjab, not individual people, we all know that Punjabis in Pakistan looks pretty much the same as North Indians, this is the reason the whole world calls Pakistan and India as same. India overall can be divided in to 2-3 different zones, the north, the east, the south. The north zone includes Punjab, Sindh, Rajahistan, Haryana, Delhi, West UP, West MP, Northern Gujarat, all these places have similar people, with similar looks, with no huge differences. Stop acting as if Punjabis are some central asian race, there is nothing central asian about them. You guys make a mockery out of yourself

[Karachi]

I have come across tons of Punjabi and tons of Mohajirs of Karachi......and i have to say that Mohajirs of Karachi are not just black-ish in skin colour but are plain ugly in facial features, and have very short statures and puny bodies like typical Biharies and U.P-walas of India........ugliest people, appearance-wise as well as in character.

dung face like you probably never even came to Karachi, stop speaking out of your behind. and we all know how you suck up to Punjabis, of course you will say that. Just see any pics of karachi muhajirs and compare them with Lahories, no major differences at all. Now there are clear major differences between Lahories and someone from Pashtun areas

Also, not all muhajirs are from Bihar, many are from West UP, Delhi and even Indian punjab. Like I said, there are different zones with in India. People do look a bit different between each different zones. The Biharies may look a bit different from Punjabis, but no way a Delhi wala, or West UPite Rajahistani etc.. will look that different from a Pakistani Punjabi. It's pure idiocy to even think that

[Dovahkiin]

On average, there are phenotypical differences between Punjabis (non-Christian) and UP/Biharis who dont even have a border with Punjab just like there are phenotypical differences between Pashtuns and Punjabis. This is just basic anthropological knowledge.