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  • #16
    [QUOTE=Karachi;810282]
    Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
    The Claasical Mufassireen have interpreted "Arsh" as representing dominion and "kursi" signifying the enacting of dominion. Just as you are appalled by the shallowness of people that abide by religions, you should reflect on the shallowness of your understanding of things. Ultimately everyone goes to hell except certain individuals, but those that enter hell will eventually go to heaven after they've paid their debt. So yes they're in hell, but they're also in heaven.[/QUOTE]


    How do you know? Lets assume a guy born in Christianity does good all his life, believes in God til his last breath, yet he still goes to hell? and what was his fault if he was born in Christianity? again muslim belief is very stupid

    and no regarding kursi, we all know most muslims take that as literal

    You said you studied Islam? Who taught you that doing good deeds will mean you will go to heaven, that is Not the belief of Islam.

    Allah created some people for hell and some for heaven, majority of mankind will be in hell that we know from the Quran. But it is not because the message of Islam did not reach them, if it did not than they have a genuine excuse on qiyamah, the majority of mankind know of Islam but they refuse to accept it so hell is what their own beleifs have earned them.

    The belief of the anthropormphist is that Allah literally sits on the Kursi, this belief takes them out of Islam.

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    • #17
      Allah, Lord of the Universe, Master of the Day of Judgement is an active Lord, The all-seer. all-hearer, and all-knower You just know not how powerful your all mighty lord is.

      There is one sect from Judaism, Christianity, and Islam that will have the privilege, the blessing, and bounty to be rewarded heaven. The rest of us will be thrown to the fire. That is just how it is, doesn't matter what you think about it. Don't make excuses to your Supreme Lord then in the Day of Judgement.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by کیش View Post
        Allah, Lord of the Universe, Master of the Day of Judgement is an active Lord, The all-seer. all-hearer, and all-knower You just know not how powerful your all mighty lord is.

        There is one sect from Judaism, Christianity, and Islam that will have the privilege, the blessing, and bounty to be rewarded heaven. The rest of us will be thrown to the fire. That is just how it is, doesn't matter what you think about it. Don't make excuses to your Supreme Lord then in the Day of Judgement.

        Why is Allah so vengeful in Islam? Lets be honest, most humans want to be good, of course there are circumstances that make many of us do evil things, however most humans want to be good by (heart), why does the so called great "Allah" doesn't understand that? why does he want to punish most humans in fire? Most humans in this world are looking for answers, this is why we are exploring everything on a daily basis, Islam/Quran does not answer most questions about the earth, life or universe, this is not our fault, Allah should have been more clear and sent a better book if he wanted us to follow him. To me bible, quran, torah are all same books, Quran is actually no even superior to these books in any way as muslims claim, what is the so called miracle of Quran?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Karachi View Post
          Why is Allah so vengeful in Islam? Lets be honest, most humans want to be good, of course there are circumstances that make many of us do evil things, however most humans want to be good by (heart), why does the so called great "Allah" doesn't understand that? why does he want to punish most humans in fire? Most humans in this world are looking for answers, this is why we are exploring everything on a daily basis, Islam/Quran does not answer most questions about the earth, life or universe, this is not our fault, Allah should have been more clear and sent a better book if he wanted us to follow him. To me bible, quran, torah are all same books, Quran is actually no even superior to these books in any way as muslims claim, what is the so called miracle of Quran?
          Allah the most Supreme, the most merciful has given clear guidelines to his creation. Have a believe in no god But Allah. And Mohammod (to whom be peace) is his messenger. It is also to believe in angels, jinns, his prophets and Messengers and his books. And to believe in the divine decree.

          It's quite simple. Now if you were to ask the all mighty Allah in the Day of Judgement those questions, what would you think his holy reaction to you would be? Allah is merciful and allows you to speak for yourself before judgement is handed down.

          All mighty Allah is not vengeful. He always sends warners after warners to humans. But who's fault is it if the people disobey his clear signs?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kakar-Wardak View Post

            You said you studied Islam? Who taught you that doing good deeds will mean you will go to heaven, that is Not the belief of Islam.

            Allah created some people for hell and some for heaven, majority of mankind will be in hell that we know from the Quran. But it is not because the message of Islam did not reach them, if it did not than they have a genuine excuse on qiyamah, the majority of mankind know of Islam but they refuse to accept it so hell is what their own beleifs have earned them.

            The belief of the anthropormphist is that Allah literally sits on the Kursi, this belief takes them out of Islam.

            The Qur'an:

            Surah 2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

            Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


            Originally posted by ذو الفقار
            don’t try to be smart.

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            • #21
              Too many Pakistanis and Afghans love to tell us who is or isnt going to hell, what is or isn't sawab/gunnah.

              When the time comes, Allah will judge each person individually. Not you. The instructions have been given, now people are free to do as they please.
              Last edited by Elite Pakhtun; 06-14-2017, 01:02 AM.

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              • #22
                May God grant him and all the other people mentioned in this thread who have recently passed away heaven.
                Sorry for you loss and hope youre doing well cuz i lost a teacher as well when i was in pakistan and it was sad.

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                • #23
                  I wrote this nearly a year ago, but thank you everyone. I'm not sure where this narrative that God brandishes people into hell forever came from. But I don't believe it. There is a verse "as-habu al-narihum fiha khalidun"

                  the word khulud means perpetuity, but doesn't necessarily mean forever.

                  Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                  Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                  don’t try to be smart.

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