Att.all members,

[HalloIsBack]

since when is nazism a religion?

[gadoonwal]

My very dear Gadoonwal
You must realize the fact , as also identified by Ghumbassa that religion is now mixed in each and every aspect of Pashtun history, culture, politics, economy and society. Our history starts with Qais who met the prophet Muhamamd. Our culture is now Wahabi culture. Where is pristine Pashtun culture? I do not know.

Our political leaders like Mullah Omar, Maulana Fazlullah, Maulana Fazlurahman, Sirajul Haq etc are all pashtun Mullahs. Our economy is mainly based on the terror money organized by Mullahs. Mullah is the main pillar of our society. So you cannot keep religion out side the Pashtun culture, society, economy and politics. We do not have anymore our music, dance, art and sculpture. All forbidden by religion. The only way out is secularism.

Please let people to discuss everything openly and frankly. Yes you may not tolerate personal insults but rest must be made totally allowed. Many forum members call me kaafir, so as a Kaafir like any other Kaafir I have the right to criticize some aspects of Islam or Islamism or the way of life of Muslims or their prophet or holy books. Instead of banning or deletion, let the other part argue and refute. This way we can have a creative and constructive discussion for learning and sharing.

You are a great tolerant Pashtun, so let the people talk everything in this Pashtun Hujra and do not act like a Mullah by issuing Fatwas, dictates or orders.

I fully understand your point.
True ,we are living in the world of wahabis where pashtuns have no right to defend their culture,history and language.
It is arabized nation .
I tolerated them as much as i can but all threads are polluted with same stuff.
i never act like mulla ,you are mistaken here.
But as a mod my job is to remind them to follow forum rules.
Any insult will be deleted .
Instead of defending my action you are supporting the same idealogy of mullas .
Gumbasa enjoy great freedom here i just asked him and others not to mix religion and pashtuns in every thread.
HIM AND OTHERS can creat as many threads they like in religious section.
Personal attacks are happening in every thread and then everyday i visit this website just to delet it.

[gadoonwal]

I have seconded you that religion is part and parcel of Pashtun life. I accept it, I admit it and I confess it. And here starts my struggle. I wish we can separate religion from other aspects of Pashtun life as Gadoonwal wants to separate religious discussion from secular ones. Mullah in mosque and Pashtun in Hujra. I struggle for this Pashtun secularism.

No war ever has been fought on the name of secularism. World wars were fought on political, economic or other reasons between the same secular forces. Germany was secular, and the same time USA.

NO SECULAR COUNTRY FOUGHT THE OTHER TO IMPOSE SECULARISM LIKE ISLAMISTS DO.

grana badlun sb
Extremism is problem in every feild of life.
I know you have very positive ideas for the good of pashtuns but in pashtun society you can not directly turn them to secularism .
This is a brainwashed society .
So you can support your ideas and thoughts but not in extrem manners.
They will directly call you ,,kafir,,and many other names.
I write few words of Bacha khan here,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,mazab da insaan aw allah tar manza tarun aw taluq day,,,,,,,,,
,,,,sayasat da insaan da bal insaan sara tarun aw da stonzo da khwarawolo laar da,,,,,,,,,,
zani khpal matlabay khalaq mazab da khpalo sayaasi gato tar lasa kawolo lapara pakara wey,,,,,,,,,,,
pakar da chi har pakhtun paday poha shey aw ka poha na hum shey nu byaa ba hum mong khpal kaar jari saato.
zrah ba na wakhay.rakhtay ba wyu ka sok ye mani aw kana

[ghumbasa]

I fully understand your point.
True ,we are living in the world of wahabis where pashtuns have no right to defend their culture,history and language.
It is arabized nation .
I tolerated them as much as i can but all threads are polluted with same stuff.
i never act like mulla ,you are mistaken here.
But as a mod my job is to remind them to follow forum rules.
Any insult will be deleted .
Instead of defending my action you are supporting the same idealogy of mullas .
Gumbasa enjoy great freedom here i just asked him and others not to mix religion and pashtuns in every thread.
HIM AND OTHERS can creat as many threads they like in religious section.
Personal attacks are happening in every thread and then everyday i visit this website just to delet it.

Explain how i am enjoying your previliges? I am told by your repeated warnings in pm not to post this and that...Repeatedly i see your useless pms showing that insulting posts are removed yet i still see them and more beloved members of yours posting name calling and foul mouthing.A mod is supposed to be neutral not promoting favoritism.
Infact i see here some members are given special status.

Personal attacks here are common that too by persianized pashtuns and by hindu bengalis...or swatians.

Mullah generalisation is quite common despite the fact that there are mullahs who ve dedicated whole lives to deen studying not involved in wahabism as many here blame.Pakistan bashing is more so than americans that invaded afg rather americans are praised.Double standards.smh

I know very well how much you guys are agitated by my religious threads that shows the truth...but truth has to be presented to ake up sleeping pashtuns.

[ghumbasa]

Thats not how secular states work, you really need a proper education, you are like really dum, its embarassing, like really.

I think its you who is in real need of education on these issues...dont worry i ll educate the likes of you soon.I ll start a new thread.

There is no big paganism movement in Europe, their is more paganism in Porkiland than in europe, people are more educted here, only some hippies like to do do **** or dress in old pagan style, the rest could care less

Paganism is flourishing in the umberalla of secularism.Initially those were hippis now in tv shows movies etc...even subtly there is promotion of paganism...
infact...christianity itself has some paganistic roots...like christmas santa claus.I ll open thread...you can discuss secularism or paganism vs islam there...