Att.all members,

[gadoonwal]

kindly no religious discussion in every thread.
This is pashtunforums not some plate form for mullas.
We have a place here where people can discuss religion and religious issues.
we may be discussing culture,news and literature and someone will jump up with religious stuff.
Kindly stop this nonsense and make positive contribution to the forum.
This forum was a place for Pashtuns to discuss their politics,culture,history,language etc and world news but now it has become a battlefield for mullas,anti-pashtuns elements and other nonsense issues.
No one discussing history,culture,pashtun matters etc.
Nor any serious discussion on world politics.
Everywhere personal attacks are happening and I delet 4 to 6 posts everyday.
None Pashtuns are welcome to this forum but some of them are using this forum for their own ideology and politics.

I request to all members to kindly make this place realy pashtunsforums.
Do,nt harm the image of this forum.
You are welcome here

[ghumbasa]

kindly no religious discussion in every thread.
This is pashtunforums not some plate form for mullas.
We have a place here where people can discuss religion and religious issues.
we may be discussing culture,news and literature and someone will jump up with religious stuff.
Kindly stop this nonsense and make positive contribution to the forum.
This forum was a place for Pashtuns to discuss their politics,culture,history,language etc and world news but now it has become a battlefield for mullas,anti-pashtuns elements and other nonsense issues.
No one discussing history,culture,pashtun matters etc.
Nor any serious discussion on world politics.
Everywhere personal attacks are happening and I delet 4 to 6 posts everyday.
None Pashtuns are welcome to this forum but some of them are using this forum for their own ideology and politics.

I request to all members to kindly make this place realy pashtunsforums.
Do,nt harm the image of this forum.
You are welcome here

First of all tell your beloved members to stop blaming islam for every problem then we ll stop discussing it ...Be biased in your approach as a mod.Evety thread out there is littered with mockery of islam,prophet saww and mullah...Someone has to correct them on behalf of muslims....

I ve also question for you....I posted twice the links with post numbers of members yet you didnt delete any of such insulting post...but said you didnt find any such post.If you dont respect mohammad saww or Allah ...i do...Even when i discuss religions other than islam i give links on their own accounts so that they could know better.Correct your members first not to mock mullah or islam or stop generalising them...i wouldnt feel the need to correct them then.


Ladt but not least...there are events that are related to prophecies...so i ve to post links from religious point of view too...to make a poster realise of scenario regarding current events.Every scenario today is not based on secularism but on religion as well.

I never seen you deleting insulting posts ...thrre is bashing gping on about pakidtani pashtuns with words i wouldnt teach or wanna learn...they are still there.

[gadoonwal]

gumbassa,
I have great respect for our prophet (pbuh).We are proud Pashtuns and muslims and there is nothing wrong with being muslim.
I HAVE asked you to send me the link and you did so but there was,nt anything against muhd (pbuh).
If you can paste the person,s post and link right here and then we will take action.
yOU can send me in message if you want.
You are turning every discussion into religion.
I already informed you to post it in religious thread but you ignored and keep posting everywhere.
so kindly stop this.
Now the person who insulted the Pashtuns of east or Pashtuns of Pakistan was warned.
I deleted his posts.
This is pashtunforums not some tajikified,pakipied or persainized forums.
Every Pashtun is welcome here no matter any side.
I strongly disagree with those anti-Pashtun elements here but can not impose my view on them .
The admin give us the freedom to express our views in peaceful manners and we all should respect that.
Here you will find Tajik lovers,pakistan lovers,westren lovers and arab lovers Pashtuns so use logic.
If we start banning everyone then this forum will be dead.
Already many of our members left the forum.
This forum was under attack from Tajiks and tajikified mix Pashtuns.
They insulted the Pashtuns of east but many of them left.
Another group was making fool of Pashtuns for Pakistan.
This group also try everything to support the racist and brutal regime of Punjabis.
The extremists also try to influence here.
We want positive contribution.
we have very few pashtunists here and I call on them to come back and participate.

[ghumbasa]

gumbassa,
I have great respect for our prophet (pbuh).We are proud Pashtuns and muslims and there is nothing wrong with being muslim.
I HAVE asked you to send me the link and you did so but there was,nt anything against muhd (pbuh).
If you can paste the person,s post and link right here and then we will take action.
yOU can send me in message if you want.
You are turning every discussion into religion.
I already informed you to post it in religious thread but you ignored and keep posting everywhere.
so kindly stop this.
Now the person who insulted the Pashtuns of east or Pashtuns of Pakistan was warned.
I deleted his posts.
This is pashtunforums not some tajikified,pakipied or persainized forums.
Every Pashtun is welcome here no matter any side.
I strongly disagree with those anti-Pashtun elements here but can not impose my view on them .
The admin give us the freedom to express our views in peaceful manners and we all should respect that.
Here you will find Tajik lovers,pakistan lovers,westren lovers and arab lovers Pashtuns so use logic.
If we start banning everyone then this forum will be dead.
Already many of our members left the forum.
This forum was under attack from Tajiks and tajikified mix Pashtuns.
They insulted the Pashtuns of east but many of them left.
Another group was making fool of Pashtuns for Pakistan.
This group also try everything to support the racist and brutal regime of Punjabis.
The extremists also try to influence here.
We want positive contribution.
we have very few pashtunists here and I call on them to come back and participate.

Lets see how far you can keep insults at bay...Keep this thread here...so that if i see any insult to prophet saww or islam or Allah i could report...I ll give links with post number.But i dont ve much expectation tbh seeing history.


Reiligion i ve to discuss if someone ask me about it or blame it even in non religious thread.Because there is overlapping phenomenon of some relihious points and non religious points togather.Like usama extremist islam and afg war is as much related as cia.

Insults and useless accusations always lead people to runaway from forums...remember this.If mods or a mod become biased...this leads to many counter posters leave forum ultimately thats a normal psychology.You wanna have more posters then give warning and delete insulting posts...others ll learn thst there is mod out there who cares that no bad language should be used..so they ll cling to forum.

I do post hadeeths and ayahs in religious sections yet posters bring about politics in those threads ...give warning to them also.They can bring history question in religion though.

[Badlun]

kindly no religious discussion in every thread.
This is pashtunforums not some plate form for mullas.
We have a place here where people can discuss religion and religious issues.
we may be discussing culture,news and literature and someone will jump up with religious stuff.
Kindly stop this nonsense and make positive contribution to the forum.
This forum was a place for Pashtuns to discuss their politics,culture,history,language etc and world news but now it has become a battlefield for mullas,anti-pashtuns elements and other nonsense issues.
No one discussing history,culture,pashtun matters etc.
Nor any serious discussion on world politics.
Everywhere personal attacks are happening and I delet 4 to 6 posts everyday.
None Pashtuns are welcome to this forum but some of them are using this forum for their own ideology and politics.

I request to all members to kindly make this place realy pashtunsforums.
Do,nt harm the image of this forum.
You are welcome here

My very dear Gadoonwal
You must realize the fact , as also identified by Ghumbassa that religion is now mixed in each and every aspect of Pashtun history, culture, politics, economy and society. Our history starts with Qais who met the prophet Muhamamd. Our culture is now Wahabi culture. Where is pristine Pashtun culture? I do not know.

Our political leaders like Mullah Omar, Maulana Fazlullah, Maulana Fazlurahman, Sirajul Haq etc are all pashtun Mullahs. Our economy is mainly based on the terror money organized by Mullahs. Mullah is the main pillar of our society. So you cannot keep religion out side the Pashtun culture, society, economy and politics. We do not have anymore our music, dance, art and sculpture. All forbidden by religion. The only way out is secularism.

Please let people to discuss everything openly and frankly. Yes you may not tolerate personal insults but rest must be made totally allowed. Many forum members call me kaafir, so as a Kaafir like any other Kaafir I have the right to criticize some aspects of Islam or Islamism or the way of life of Muslims or their prophet or holy books. Instead of banning or deletion, let the other part argue and refute. This way we can have a creative and constructive discussion for learning and sharing.

You are a great tolerant Pashtun, so let the people talk everything in this Pashtun Hujra and do not act like a Mullah by issuing Fatwas, dictates or orders.

[ghumbasa]

My very dear Gadoonwal
You must realize the fact , as also identified by Ghumbassa that religion is now mixed in each and every aspect of Pashtun history, culture, politics, economy and society. Our history starts with Qais who met the prophet Muhamamd. Our culture is now Wahabi culture. Where is pristine Pashtun culture? I do not know.

Our political leaders like Mullah Omar, Maulana Fazlullah, Maulana Fazlurahman, Sirajul Haq etc are all pashtun Mullahs. Our economy is mainly based on the terror money organized by Mullahs. Mullah is the main pillar of our society. So you cannot keep religion out side the Pashtun culture, society, economy and politics. We do not have anymore our music, dance, art and sculpture. All forbidden by religion. The only way out is secularism.

Please let people to discuss everything openly and frankly. Yes you may not tolerate personal insults but rest must be made totally allowed. Many forum members call me kaafir, so as a Kaafir like any other Kaafir I have the right to criticize some aspects of Islam or Islamism or the way of life of Muslims or their prophet or holy books. Instead of banning or deletion, let the other part argue and refute. This way we can have a creative and constructive discussion for learning and sharing.

You are a great tolerant Pashtun, so let the people talk everything in this Pashtun Hujra and do not act like a Mullah by issuing Fatwas, dictates or orders.

I see you try to impose secularism ...and expect no religion.Religion is part of our pakhtun lives.Accept it.Bring your secular articles in non religious section...trust me i can refute that.Religion has nothing to do with atrocities committed in world in the name of secularism.Complaining like kids against religion wont help.

And wait you are afraid of history...i ve yet to add certain histories every pashtun or muslim is supposed to know.You may not like it.

[Badlun]

I see you try to impose secularism ...and expect no religion.Religion is part of our pakhtun lives.Accept it.Bring your secular articles in non religious section...trust me i can refute that.Religion has nothing to do with atrocities committed in world in the name of secularism.Complaining like kids against religion wont help.

And wait you are afraid of history...i ve yet to add certain histories every pashtun or muslim is supposed to know.You may not like it.

I have seconded you that religion is part and parcel of Pashtun life. I accept it, I admit it and I confess it. And here starts my struggle. I wish we can separate religion from other aspects of Pashtun life as Gadoonwal wants to separate religious discussion from secular ones. Mullah in mosque and Pashtun in Hujra. I struggle for this Pashtun secularism.

No war ever has been fought on the name of secularism. World wars were fought on political, economic or other reasons between the same secular forces. Germany was secular, and the same time USA.

NO SECULAR COUNTRY FOUGHT THE OTHER TO IMPOSE SECULARISM LIKE ISLAMISTS DO.

[ghumbasa]

I have seconded you that religion is part and parcel of Pashtun life. I accept it, I admit it and I confess it. And here starts my struggle. I wish we can separate religion from other aspects of Pashtun life as Gadoonwal wants to separate religious discussion from secular ones. Mullah in mosque and Pashtun in Hujra. I struggle for this Pashtun secularism.

No war ever has been fought on the name of secularism. World wars were fought on political, economic or other reasons between the same secular forces. Germany was secular, and the same time USA.

NO SECULAR COUNTRY FOUGHT THE OTHER TO IMPOSE SECULARISM LIKE ISLAMISTS DO.

German nazis were secular..they had theory of nazism ...based on darwinism...

[Badlun]

German nazis were secular..they had theory of nazism ...based on darwinism...

Secularism is just separation of politics from religion. mullah for mosque and Pashtun leader for hujra. Mullah should not run both mosque and hujra. This is simple to understand.

Darwinism is a scientific theory while secularism is a political theory. Nazism is kind of fascism and has nothing to do with the core concept of secularism which is separation of state and church.

Yes a secular can be a bad person in other capacity but being secular he or she is not bad. A secularist can be a murderer but this is not because of his ideology of secularism. While an Islamist is a murderer because Islam or Islamism urge that a non Muslim may be either converted or he/she may Jizya or be ready to die. A secular will never give these 3 options.

[ghumbasa]

Secularism is just separation of politics from religion. mullah for mosque and Pashtun leader for hujra. Mullah should not run both mosque and hujra. This is simple to understand.

Darwinism is a scientific theory while secularism is a political theory. Nazism is kind of fascism and has nothing to do with the core concept of secularism which is separation of state and church.

Yes a secular can be a bad person in other capacity but being secular he or she is not bad. A secularist can be a murderer but this is not because of his ideology of secularism. While an Islamist is a murderer because Islam or Islamism urge that a non Muslim may be either converted or he/she may Jizya or be ready to die. A secular will never give these 3 options.

Same can be said about secularism in religious countries.To them secularism is a minor issue.
Secularism is banning the freedom of religion...making a Godless society with man made laws that they change when it comes to their desires.Dictators in secularism have rose with worst history of slavery like afriica and depopulation of natives to oppression of worst kinds.
Today its turned to religion because man made laws...as men want to change such laws to suit their desires but religion is standing in its path to achieve theit goals.

Religions ve not produced the number of murders as produced by secu.arism.Some entire populations ve been wiped out in certain regions like abhoriginals,native americans..

Nazis have secular peole with theory of super genes...aryan race they considered it super.They had concentration camps for this.They hold darwin and other such scientists very dear which later shifted to usa once defeated.Now the banner of secularism is held by usa...and we see its oppression everywhere.

[Khostai]

German nazis were secular..they had theory of nazism ...based on darwinism...

Nazism was everything but secular, they belived in all sort magic symbolism and what not, nazism was a diffrent kind of relligion based on old European pagan relligions. Please educate yourself.

[ghumbasa]

Nazism was everything but secular, they belived in all sort magic symbolism and what not, nazism was a diffrent kind of relligion based on old European pagan relligions. Please educate yourself.

And you think today paganism has not infilterated in europe again purposely ? Hmm?? What do you think secularism goes along with paganism more or Ibrahimic religions?

[ghumbasa]

According to secular state ...every person is kinda god to change the constitutional laws anytime.Persons can play with laws,authority or power,positions and ensure capitalism.In religion you dont consider yourself superior over laws.

[Khostai]

And you think today paganism has not infilterated in europe again purposely ? Hmm?? What do you think secularism goes along with paganism more or Ibrahimic religions?

There is no big paganism movement in Europe, their is more paganism in Porkiland than in europe, people are more educted here, only some hippies like to do do **** or dress in old pagan style, the rest could care less

[Khostai]

According to secular state ...every person is kinda god to change the constitutional laws anytime.Persons can play with laws,authority or power,positions and ensure capitalism.In religion you dont consider yourself superior over laws.

Thats not how secular states work, you really need a proper education, you are like really dum, its embarassing, like really.