bravery of pak army

[jankhan]

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[Smarty]

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Are you a patriotic pakistani?

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

1948:Pakistan annexed 37% of Kashmir,A very strategic region with respect to Pakistan (43% India and 20% china)

1965:Use common sense and bring me some solid sources claiming that any of the 2 had made a victory in 1965.

1971:Pakistan with less than 40thousand soldier fought with 9lac indian troops,70thousand Mukhti bahini and 38Million bangladesh population thousand miles away from its original territory.Even USA could not win a war with vietnam or in Afghanistan despite them being superpower because war far away from your territory is usually very difficult to win.Pakistan was almost 2000km away from Bangladesh and bangladesh surrounded by India from all side

1984:Siachen always was under India,Pakistan made a offensive to capture but didnt succeeded though Pakistan did captured the region upto soltoro rigde.You need to understand that Anexxing terriroty is not a win by any chance.Otherwise even Pakistan has broken india into pieces without even fighting a war

1999:Use some brain and don't post figure from your posterior,Pakistan was not even close to kargil,Today it control peak 5353.


[MENTION=17535]jankhan[/MENTION] Start using brain and even if you criticise someone than atleast backup your claim with credible source.Your only making a fool of yourself.

If Pakistan indeed was so weak than can you tell me why has india never ever tried to even get closer to kashmir of Pakistan let alone trying to capture it.On the other hand Pakistan has made almost 3 major offensive and hundred of small skirmishes into kashmir.

Look into the future,When Pakistan will achieve a true Nuclear triad with the SSBN underdevelopment.Don't be surprised if the possible war of 2019 become true and Pakistan again end up creating a 1965 style war with india.

[Smarty]

Jankhan , you indeed posted a crap. Be factual.
1- In 1948 the confrontation was between pakhtun tribesmen and indian army plus dogra army. General gracey doglous, chief of paki army, refused to send his soldiers to kashmir. Pakhtuns got used like fodder while credit of achievements was given to paki army. You can say that one third victory goes to pakistan or even less as india captured most fertile and populated, kashmir valley.
2- Operation gibralter by paki commandos to free kashmir was a failure indeed. But when india attacked pakistan in response to operation gibralter in 1965, she failed to achieve any signficant military achievement and agreed to have talks with pakistan on table in tashkent. 1965 war was draw.
3- 1971 war, total victory for india, total humiliation and destruction of paki army.
4- 1984, india captured two third of siachin, is still in that postition. But the war on the glaciar is bleeding both countries due to cost and extreme cold.
4- 1999 , defeat of paki army.
5- Taliban war, paki army is bleeding but taliban are not winning either, we have yet to see the result.
6- Baloch insurgency, a failed one. They cant even handle FC.

Verdict: Overall victory goes to India but paki army offered decent resistance , both are products of british indian army.

[khushal]

^^India could have taken Pakistan easily in all those wars. Every time the US intervened and pressured India to back off. This is why Pakistan is so paranoid of the existential threat posed by India and why Pakistan has always allowed US bases on their soil.

[Smarty]

1948:Pakistan annexed 37% of Kashmir,A very strategic region with respect to Pakistan (43% India and 20% china)

1965:Use common sense and bring me some solid sources claiming that any of the 2 had made a victory in 1965.

1971:Pakistan with less than 40thousand soldier fought with 9lac indian troops,70thousand Mukhti bahini and 38Million bangladesh population thousand miles away from its original territory.Even USA could not win a war with vietnam or in Afghanistan despite them being superpower because war far away from your territory is usually very difficult to win.Pakistan was almost 2000km away from Bangladesh and bangladesh surrounded by India from all side

1984:Siachen always was under India,Pakistan made a offensive to capture but didnt succeeded though Pakistan did captured the region upto soltoro rigde.You need to understand that Anexxing terriroty is not a win by any chance.Otherwise even Pakistan has broken india into pieces without even fighting a war

1999:Use some brain and don't post figure from your posterior,Pakistan was not even close to kargil,Today it control peak 5353.


[MENTION=17535]jankhan[/MENTION] Start using brain and even if you criticise someone than atleast backup your claim with credible source.Your only making a fool of yourself.

If Pakistan indeed was so weak than can you tell me why has india never ever tried to even get closer to kashmir of Pakistan let alone trying to capture it.On the other hand Pakistan has made almost 3 major offensive and hundred of small skirmishes into kashmir.

Look into the future,When Pakistan will achieve a true Nuclear triad with the SSBN underdevelopment.Don't be surprised if the possible war of 2019 become true and Pakistan again end up creating a 1965 style war with india.

Are you high on chars or what?. India captured 90 thousands personnels of pak army in which 79 thousands were combatants of military and paramilitary. They didnt face assault of 0.9 million indian faujis as you claim, only 1 lakh 60 thousand troops. And you are forgetting the westren front, pakistan launched huge invasion from west pakistan on india to lift pressure from east pakistan. But got utterly defeated. Pakistan barely defended itself in 1965 but got totally humiliated on the same west pakistan front in 1971 and also lost portions of kashmir and baltistan like kargil , daras etc which were part of pakistan before 1971. Pakistan also had some area of ladah, 5 villages, which she lost in 1971 to india.

[Smarty]

Pakis would tell you unbelievible stuff about 1965 war, giving it touch of ghazva e badar. They say that angels in white robes fought along side paki army. Some one must aske them why angels in white robes didnt march on kashmir and conquered it for them?
The lanati paki soldiers after few years, raped and killed tens of bengalis and yet they have the audacity to give it a spirtual and holy touch.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Are you high on chars or what?. India captured 90 thousands personnels of pak army in which 79 thousands were combatants of military and paramilitary. They didnt face assault of 0.9 million indian faujis as you claim, only 1 lakh 60 thousand troops. And you are forgetting the westren front, pakistan launched huge invasion from west pakistan on india to lift pressure from east pakistan. But got utterly defeated. Pakistan barely defended itself in 1965 but got totally humiliated on the same west pakistan front in 1971 and also lost portions of kashmir and baltistan like kargil , daras etc which were part of pakistan before 1971. Pakistan also had some area of ladah, 5 villages, which she lost in 1971 to india.

Post facts some credible source's.

As far as I know 36-40k Pakistani troops were present in Bangladesh against a Million strong indian army and more than a lac Mukhti bahini terrorists.

*Pakistani troops were completely surrounded by india from all side
*Naval blockde
*More than 2000km away from actual Pakistan
*No supply line for months


With all this they managed to fight still for months(march to dec) against such an strong enemy.

As usual your again wrong.

*Pakistan has made many attempts to capture more parts of kashmir but failed though have not lost anything significant of kashmir since 1948 or since its capture.

Ladakh is way too far from Pakistan,All i know is that Pakistan had captured parts of siachen in 1982 but lost in 1984 because those region were at difficult terrain and harder to contain for a longer time.

watch the interview of Nur khan,Pakistan was almost 20times inferior to india in 1965 and still managed to launch a offensive against India.

Imagine today when the difference between Pakistan and india is hardly twice,What will we do to them.

anyway when your offensive,you always will loose more.Pakistan lost more because Pakistan was offensive always in the past.

In 2001-02 Standoff when india was the offensive,they lost more than 1800 soldier while we only less than 20.

[Smarty]

Post facts some credible source's.

As far as I know 36-40k Pakistani troops were present in Bangladesh against a Million strong indian army and more than a lac Mukhti bahini terrorists.

*Pakistani troops were completely surrounded by india from all side
*Naval blockde
*More than 2000km away from actual Pakistan
*No supply line for months


With all this they managed to fight still for months(march to dec) against such an strong enemy.

As usual your again wrong.

*Pakistan has made many attempts to capture more parts of kashmir but failed though have not lost anything significant of kashmir since 1948 or since its capture.

Ladakh is way too far from Pakistan,All i know is that Pakistan had captured parts of siachen in 1982 but lost in 1984 because those region were at difficult terrain and harder to contain for a longer time.

watch the interview of Nur khan,Pakistan was almost 20times inferior to india in 1965 and still managed to launch a offensive against India.

Imagine today when the difference between Pakistan and india is hardly twice,What will we do to them.

anyway when your offensive,you always will loose more.Pakistan lost more because Pakistan was offensive always in the past.

In 2001-02 Standoff when india was the offensive,they lost more than 1800 soldier while we only less than 20.

The burden of providing source is on you, you first made the rediculous claim that nearly a million indian troops attacked 30-40 thousands paki soldiers in east. I would counter your claim with source only when you provide the source first.
and ladakh is not far away. It is region adjacent to baltistan. In case you have not forgetton, kargil is part of ladakh and it was part of pakistan before 1971 war.

[Karachi]

The individual soldiers of any army can be brave, however the Generals of most modern armies are big cowards.

I read an article some where before, which gave evidence of how many Pakistani Generals drink Alcohol, their homes have secret chambers with liquor imported from around the world. So why is the army even called (Islamic) army? who are they defending? Islamic republic of Pakistan? The army Generals have always been a big problem for Pakistan. I am not sure why are they given so much respect and treated as kings

[jankhan]

Read my post with open eyes.

[afghan]

honestly i thought it was a sarcasm.

[gadoonwal]

pak army is the only army on earth occupied their own country.
They never won any war.They lost half of their country.
Now look what think of pakistan,,,,,,

Pakistan will be there untill the day of judgment or qayamath the pakistani politicains and mullas claimed.
They even said pakistan was the dream of great muslims leader of the past.
Mulana tariq jamil once said there are 7 gates in janat and one is specaily made for pashtuns cus pashtuns are the real muslims.Think about it.
Pakistan is a big mess on earth .
The system,govt and army etc are all messy.
To free and help the people of pakistan the world need to creat new countries based on ethnic lines.
180 millions human beings are suffering in this corrupt and fake country created by britishes and their agents.

[Pakwatan]

pak army is the only army on earth occupied their own country.
They never won any war.They lost half of their country.
Now look what think of pakistan,,,,,,

Pakistan will be there untill the day of judgment or qayamath the pakistani politicains and mullas claimed.
They even said pakistan was the dream of great muslims leader of the past.
Mulana tariq jamil once said there are 7 gates in janat and one is specaily made for pashtuns cus pashtuns are the real muslims.Think about it.
Pakistan is a big mess on earth .
The system,govt and army etc are all messy.
To free and help the people of pakistan the world need to creat new countries based on ethnic lines.
180 millions human beings are suffering in this corrupt and fake country created by britishes and their agents.

Tariq Jameel, koi khuda ney hain.

You think only Pashtuns are the real Muslims?


Yaar, hosh mein ajaa.

Imaan ke baray zaat ka koi rishta ney hain.

Yeh apki gadoonwal saab, bhool hain.

Mano ya na maano.

[gadoonwal]

Tariq Jameel, koi khuda ney hain.

You think only Pashtuns are the real Muslims?


Yaar, hosh mein ajaa.

Imaan ke baray zaat ka koi rishta ney hain.

Yeh apki gadoonwal saab, bhool hain.

Mano ya na maano.

you did,nt get my post.
I was saying that the media,politicains,mullas and army all making fool of people.
The reality is that the 5% rich class ruling the whole nation.
They treat others like animals.