Why are Khorasani nationalists claiming that Ahmad Zahir is a Khorasani legend?

[pashtanajan]

I get so irritated by the double standard these nationalists have. Every Pashtun who is accomplished or talented is suddenly said to be half-Tajik or Tajik by them. It's ridiculous. I listen to Ahmad Zahir's songs on YouTube, and when I peer down at the comments, I see all these Khorasani nationalists proclaiming that he's the gem of Khorasan, etc. It's pathetic and laughable! I recently told a Khorasani nationalist (who pretends to be an Iranian on YouTube) that Ahmad Zahir is irrefutably an Afghan Pashtun. He denied this, and said that his ethnic background was propaganda spread by Pashtuns.

Uh. Okay.

My family knew Ahmad Zahir. One of my late uncles, who met a similar death by Khalqis, was his close friend. He is an Afghan Pashtun from Laghman and not the gem of Khorasan, but of Afghanistan! He died for Afghanistan because he refused to sing at Hafizullah Amin's daughter's birthday party.

Here's an excerpt from an article by NY Times:

"He also reflects an Afghanistan that was far less ethnically polarized than it is today. An ethnic Pashtun who sang mostly in Dari, he won fans in all ethnic groups.

''At that time there was not such a question -- we were Afghans,'' said Shah Muhammad, a Kabul bookseller who regularly sold books, Shakespeare among them, to Mr. Zahir.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/20/world/kabul-journal-the-afghan-elvis-lives-24-years-after-his-death.html

P.S: I love Ahmed Zahir for his voice and talent not his ethnicity. However, I'm angered by what these fascists are doing, because it's wrong to steal someone's identity.

[afghan]

i have heard tajiks from tajikistan says the same, claim he was a tajik.

[gadoonwal]

They are right to call ahmad zahir tajik.
what ahmad zahir did for pashtu music and pashtu?
All his life he sung farsi and act like true parsiwan.He made a great contribution to parsi music.Parsi was his mother tongue.
His father side dr zahir was pashtun by origin.
I heard he even sung for shahi iran.

Samething with this darya.
Darya sung 95% of his songs in farsi and even went to tajikistan for concert.

Parsi is more recognised language of afghanistan and the whole region.
The rich and advance pashtuns of afghanistan do,nt like pashtu.
They adopt farsi and act like one.
Hungama has popalzai origin so is naeem popal.Both are farsiwans and top singers.So if someone call them tajik why should we oppose.
If a pashtun feel ashamed of pashtu and pashtun culture then he is not pakhtun.

[pashtanajan]

They are right to call ahmad zahir tajik.
what ahmad zahir did for pashtu music and pashtu?
All his life he sung farsi and act like true parsiwan.He made a great contribution to parsi music.Parsi was his mother tongue.
His father side dr zahir was pashtun by origin.
I heard he even sung for shahi iran.

Samething with this darya.
Darya sung 95% of his songs in farsi and even went to tajikistan for concert.

Parsi is more recognised language of afghanistan and the whole region.
The rich and advance pashtuns of afghanistan do,nt like pashtu.
They adopt farsi and act like one.
Hungama has popalzai origin so is naeem popal.Both are farsiwans and top singers.So if someone call them tajik why should we oppose.
If a pashtun feel ashamed of pashtu and pashtun culture then he is not pakhtun.

There are many Africans who speak French, but that doesn't make them ethnically French.

[gadoonwal]

There are many Africans who speak French, but that doesn't make them ethnically French.

i think all pashtuns should speak parsi and that fix all the problems in afghanistan.
Still they will be more pashtuns then the pashtu speaking pashtuns.
A real and true pashtun is the one who only speak farsi and look down up on pashtu.Dose this make any sense?

To be a pashtun
you must be belong to pashtun tribe and speak pashtu.
all others are fake and products of banana culture.

[pashtanajan]

i think all pashtuns should speak parsi and that fix all the problems in afghanistan.
Still they will be more pashtuns then the pashtu speaking pashtuns.
A real and true pashtun is the one who only speak farsi and look down up on pashtu.Dose this make any sense?

To be a pashtun
you must be belong to pashtun tribe and speak pashtu.
all others are fake and products of banana culture.

Try telling that to a darizuban Pashtun. Being a pashtun is not a religion, so there's no such thing as a naqlee or aslee pashtun. Tarakai was Pashtun and so is Mullah Omar.

And Ahmad Zahir could speak Pashto, but Dari is the lingua franca in Afghanistan and most of the people who listened to his songs were Kabulis, so he made more Dari songs because most of his fans spoke Dari.

And no, what you're saying doesn't make any sense.

[DSM0305]

Just ignore gadoonwal. In Pakistan in Pashtunkhwa province the schools are in Urdu and recently been changed to English. Pashtu isn't even in provincial level in pakistan, yet he going around complaining about Afghanistan whose National language is Pashto. Whose National anthem is in Pashto. Whose all presidents were Pashtuns.
He don't like Afghan Pashtuns because we are fair to other ethnicities and haven't imposed anything on them. Gadoonwal want dari to be removed as national language and change the name of Afghanistan to Pashtunistan... I never would have thought the day will come that Pashtuns in Afghanistan will be hated for being fair to other people. Farsiwans hate us and now Pakistanis who are more concerned about Afghanistan than their own home hate us... This laughable.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Just ignore gadoonwal. In Pakistan in Pashtunkhwa province the schools are in Urdu and recently been changed to English. Pashtu isn't even in provincial level in pakistan, yet he going around complaining about Afghanistan whose National language is Pashto. Whose National anthem is in Pashto. Whose all presidents were Pashtuns.
He don't like Afghan Pashtuns because we are fair to other ethnicities and haven't imposed anything on them. Gadoonwal want dari to be removed as national language and change the name of Afghanistan to Pashtunistan... I never would have thought the day will come that Pashtuns in Afghanistan will be hated for being fair to other people. Farsiwans hate us and now Pakistanis who are more concerned about Afghanistan than their own home hate us... This laughable.

Well we do have pashto till 8th standard.Though not a compulsory subject such as urdu onwards the Professional Exams.Urdu is also not compulsory onwards 12th grade.

Well Pakistani Pashtuns are minority in Pakistan as per %age and is the reason we can't impose pashto as official language.Punjabi,sindhi or balochi languages are also not official language of Pakistan.

Urdu is not the language of any ethnicity in Pakistan except that the Few million settled in karachi after migration from UP/Bihar and now some families in Islamabad also Speak Urdu as primary language.

Urdu is spoken by 8% Pakistanis while 7% in Afghanistan.If it was not english,Urdu would had been the 3rd largely spoken language in Afghanistan.I know for anyone who has lived in Afghanistan and doesnt know urdu is not possible.atleast for the males.

Whether you believe it or not,Pashto might be Official language but Dari has long back already taken the lead and will remain so for the years to come.

this doesnt leave any reason since both be it urdu or dari are foriegn to Pashtuns.

I agree,With Gadoonwal.He support Pashtunistan but not Loy Afghanistan.And i am sure a Pashtun nationalist would think so.Loy Afghanistan mean the addition of Pakistani pashtuns into Afghanistan but the rest of the ethnicities will remain which doesnt leave a reason as to why a Pakistani pashtun will leave the pakistani ethnicity to join Afghanistan to have again different ethnicities.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

If the Khurasanis want Ahmad Zahir, let them have him. His music isn't even enjoyable in my opinion. He was a piece of crap as a human being and most of the "Heroic" antics associated with him are grossly exaggerated and based on nothing but fan rumors. For example I "heard" the reason Hafizullah Amin "killed him" was because he seduced his daughter. LOL So much caca surrounding that guy that it's embarrassing that people hang on to him as a cultural legacy.

He was a two bit third world Elvis Knock off. He even tried to look like Elvis FATNESS and all. LOL

To me he represents a very pathetic time amongst Afghans, when Afghans weren't even Afghans but pathetic clones of the lowest aspects of Farangiyan.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I agree,With Gadoonwal.He support Pashtunistan but not Loy Afghanistan.And i am sure a Pashtun nationalist would think so.Loy Afghanistan mean the addition of Pakistani pashtuns into Afghanistan but the rest of the ethnicities will remain which doesnt leave a reason as to why a Pakistani pashtun will leave the pakistani ethnicity to join Afghanistan to have again different ethnicities.

Pashtun Nationalists have a Pathological belief that if you make Pashtuns a defacto overwhelming majority that Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks, and everyone else will cower down and bow in servitude.

Look at how Pashtuns here think that giving up Gwadar wiill be something Baluchis will willingly embrace, as if Pashtuns think that if they wanted to sleep with a Baluchi chieftan's daughter, they're entitled to do so.

Pashtuns are just as obnoxious, small minded and self centered as Punjabis in Pakistan are, that's why I don't feel bad about the current situation one bit. If Pashtuns had the upperhand, Allah 'azza wa jall knows how much they'd abuse their power. History is evidence.

[gadoonwal]

Just ignore gadoonwal. In Pakistan in Pashtunkhwa province the schools are in Urdu and recently been changed to English. Pashtu isn't even in provincial level in pakistan, yet he going around complaining about Afghanistan whose National language is Pashto. Whose National anthem is in Pashto. Whose all presidents were Pashtuns.
He don't like Afghan Pashtuns because we are fair to other ethnicities and haven't imposed anything on them. Gadoonwal want dari to be removed as national language and change the name of Afghanistan to Pashtunistan... I never would have thought the day will come that Pashtuns in Afghanistan will be hated for being fair to other people. Farsiwans hate us and now Pakistanis who are more concerned about Afghanistan than their own home hate us... This laughable.

You are on the wrong track here.
In pashtunkhwa all the books till 5th class are taught in pashtu in govt schools.
After that pashtu is a subject .
You can do ,,phd,,in pashtu from peshwar uni.
Tell me where i learn pashtu?
I can write better pashtu then you.I am not from afghanistan.
Click on some of my post in pashtu and read it yourself.
More pashtu books publish in peshawar then anyother city.
Again lot work need to be done.
In pakistan all the languages need more recognition and rights.
This is the case with all the languages pashtu,punjabi,seriaki etc.
The govt recently anounced that they have a plan to declare all these languages as national languages.
Keep in mind that pashtuns in pakistan is a minority.
while you on the other side is majority in afghanistan still the main language of communication is parsi in afghanistan,why?

I thought afghanistan is the loy kor of pashtun but thanks for reminding me that it is no longer the case..
In that case you take all afghanis out from our land cus we are living in two different countries.Is that make sense?
You afghanis are out of minds.
On one side calling us part of afghanistan on the other side pakistan .Remember nationality can be changed but origin always stay the same.

Pashtun unity under farsiwanism will never happen.
There is one way street gose to azad and the land of pure pakhtunistan.I am sure our pashtu speaking pashtuns from the west of durand will support pakhtunistan.

Jinah,s pakistan and farsiwans,s afghanistan is not going to work anymore.

You people are opressed by tajiks.They will call you paki if you ask for the rights of pashtu.This is fact.
Every pashtunist leader in afghanistan is called paki nowdays by tajiks.
On the other side pashtuns can,nt say this.
No one can call abdullah irani agent .

Fencing the border is not a bad idea then.This will stop the flow of afghanis entering pashtunkhwa.
We never ran to you.You always run to us.
Will gerati zwan run to the enemies?
we are your true enemies.Never trust us.Be good with your farsiwan brothers cus this time we will not welcome you as a brother.


If true pakhtun eat and live in enemies land he will still respect that land and people.On the other side afghanis eat and **** in our land and now calling us names.

[DSM0305]

Well we do have pashto till 8th standard.Though not a compulsory subject such as urdu onwards the Professional Exams.Urdu is also not compulsory onwards 12th grade.

Well Pakistani Pashtuns are minority in Pakistan as per %age and is the reason we can't impose pashto as official language.Punjabi,sindhi or balochi languages are also not official language of Pakistan.

Urdu is not the language of any ethnicity in Pakistan except that the Few million settled in karachi after migration from UP/Bihar and now some families in Islamabad also Speak Urdu as primary language.

Urdu is spoken by 8% Pakistanis while 7% in Afghanistan.If it was not english,Urdu would had been the 3rd largely spoken language in Afghanistan.I know for anyone who has lived in Afghanistan and doesnt know urdu is not possible.atleast for the males.

Whether you believe it or not,Pashto might be Official language but Dari has long back already taken the lead and will remain so for the years to come.

this doesnt leave any reason since both be it urdu or dari are foriegn to Pashtuns.

I agree,With Gadoonwal.He support Pashtunistan but not Loy Afghanistan.And i am sure a Pashtun nationalist would think so.Loy Afghanistan mean the addition of Pakistani pashtuns into Afghanistan but the rest of the ethnicities will remain which doesnt leave a reason as to why a Pakistani pashtun will leave the pakistani ethnicity to join Afghanistan to have again different ethnicities.

In Pakistan, Urdu and English are the two official languages, but Pashto has no official status at the federal level. On a provincial level, Pashto is the regional language of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Federally Administered Tribal Areas and northern Balochistan.[45] In 1984, Pashto was permitted to be used as the medium of instruction in primary schools. In government-controlled primary schools in Pashto-speaking areas, Pashto is now the medium of instruction in class 1 and 2, and taught as a compulsory subject up to class 5, however, Urdu remains the main language of education and activities outside home, while English is a compulsory subject from class 1. English medium private schools in Pashto-speaking areas, however, do not use Pashto even at primary level. The imposition of Urdu as the language of early education has caused a systematic degradation and decline of many of Pakistan's native languages including Pashto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashto_language

Dari was linga france like Urdu is in Pakistan. Yet we still manage to put Pashto in the same boat as Dari. Now Pashto is the national language of Afghanistan(highest status a language can have in a country). We speak in the parliament, government or just in everyday life. So your fake assumption that Dari is far ahead of Pashto is wrong and have no basis.

While Pashto in Pakistan is literally forgotten, even in Pashtunkhwa they rather teach in Urdu and English.

You guys are second largest ethnicity in Pakistan, while in Sindh who are far less than Pashtuns in Pakistan, have made Sindhi official language of Sindh province

Sindhi is spoken in Sindh and Balochistan in Pakistan. Sindhi is taught as a first language in the Pakistani province of Sindh, including in the provincial capital Karachi. It is taught as a second language in many government schools of Karachi and Balochistan in Pakistan. It is also spoken by Sindhi tribes living in Kutch. Karachi is the largest Sindhi-speaking city with 3–4 million Sindhis. Hyderabad ranks second with 1 million Sindhi speakers, and Larkana ranks third with almost a half a million Sindhis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_language

Regarding Urdu. I bet there is atleast 90 % of Pakistanis who can speak Urdu(if not more). It is the official language of Pakistan and is taught in school from young age. So I don't know where you got your informations from, but it is certainly wrong for sure.

Regarding Loy Afghanistan and Pashtunistan.
The reason Loy Afghanistan will benefit Pashtun most, is simply because we will be a huge majority. 50+ million Pashtuns compare to 13 million non-Pashtuns(at least 5 times more than them). While we gain land mass at least twice the size of entire Pashtunistan.

In Pashtunistan we will lose half the territory and for what? Basically we will lose territory without any gain. Political wise it is a huge loss for Pashtuns.

In loy Pakistan, if we assume Pashtuns from Afghanistan join in Pakistan. We will be 50 million pashtuns, while there be at least 160+ million non Pashtuns. So we will basically lose even more territory and in the long run lose our identity.

I don't know why you brought Loy Afghanistan and Pashtunistan up, since the discussion wasn't even remotely about it... Anyway I answered why Loy Afghanistan would be better for Pashtuns, but reality stays they way it is now. Loy Afghanistan/Pashtunistan ideology has been dead the day Doud Khan died. So I don't know why you keep bringing it up in every topic, I can guarantee you that Pashtunistan and Loy Afghanistan will never happen.

[DSM0305]

You are on the wrong track here.
In pashtunkhwa all the books till 5th class are taught in pashtu in govt schools.
After that pashtu is a subject .
You can do ,,phd,,in pashtu from peshwar uni.
Tell me where i learn pashtu?
I can write better pashtu then you.I am not from afghanistan.
Click on some of my post in pashtu and read it yourself.
More pashtu books publish in peshawar then anyother city.
Again lot work need to be done.
In pakistan all the languages need more recognition and rights.
This is the case with all the languages pashtu,punjabi,seriaki etc.
The govt recently anounced that they have a plan to declare all these languages as national languages.
Keep in mind that pashtuns in pakistan is a minority.
while you on the other side is majority in afghanistan still the main language of communication is parsi in afghanistan,why?

I thought afghanistan is the loy kor of pashtun but thanks for reminding me that it is no longer the case..
In that case you take all afghanis out from our land cus we are living in two different countries.Is that make sense?
You afghanis are out of minds.
On one side calling us part of afghanistan on the other side pakistan .Remember nationality can be changed but origin always stay the same.

Pashtun unity under farsiwanism will never happen.
There is one way street gose to azad and the land of pure pakhtunistan.I am sure our pashtu speaking pashtuns from the west of durand will support pakhtunistan.

Jinah,s pakistan and farsiwans,s afghanistan is not going to work anymore.

You people are opressed by tajiks.They will call you paki if you ask for the rights of pashtu.This is fact.
Every pashtunist leader in afghanistan is called paki nowdays by tajiks.
On the other side pashtuns can,nt say this.
No one can call abdullah irani agent .

Fencing the border is not a bad idea then.This will stop the flow of afghanis entering pashtunkhwa.
We never ran to you.You always run to us.
Will gerati zwan run to the enemies?
we are your true enemies.Never trust us.Be good with your farsiwan brothers cus this time we will not welcome you as a brother.


If true pakhtun eat and live in enemies land he will still respect that land and people.On the other side afghanis eat and **** in our land and now calling us names.

Don't send ''Afghanis'' back kill them all. You better start now or else you wont finish. Regarding fence go and dig a hole all across the border instead and fill it with water while putting sharks in there. You better start now, it be a long day ^_^

You speak as if you're representative of Pakistan, or as if you got some sort of power in Pakistan. You wont be able to kill a single person or send a single person back, even if you wanted to.

Before you talk about ghairat and staying in their '''own'' country. Not to long ago Waziri people in Pakistan took refuge in Afghanistan, when Pakistan made operations in Waziristan. What does it prove? Whenever there is war, people will take refuge in other countries. So if you call Afghans beghairat, you also calling Wazirs Pashtuns from Pakistan beghairat.

Regarding everything else I wont even reply. You have no evidence nor any basis for what you said. Basically all you do is meaningless bashing with no source. If you feel, you guys are doing so great, then stop bothering talking about ''unity'' and in the other hand insulting us. Just mind your own business. The fact is you're in identity crisis and try so desperately to feel part of a group. If you feel Pashto isn't threatened in Pakistan then there is no reason to bother others.

[afghan]

They are right to call ahmad zahir tajik.
what ahmad zahir did for pashtu music and pashtu?
All his life he sung farsi and act like true parsiwan.He made a great contribution to parsi music.Parsi was his mother tongue.
His father side dr zahir was pashtun by origin.
I heard he even sung for shahi iran.

Samething with this darya.
Darya sung 95% of his songs in farsi and even went to tajikistan for concert.

Parsi is more recognised language of afghanistan and the whole region.
The rich and advance pashtuns of afghanistan do,nt like pashtu.
They adopt farsi and act like one.
Hungama has popalzai origin so is naeem popal.Both are farsiwans and top singers.So if someone call them tajik why should we oppose.
If a pashtun feel ashamed of pashtu and pashtun culture then he is not pakhtun.

he was a composer not only a singer he composed for rahim ghamzada and many other pashto singers. get a life.

[Badlun]

Why Pashto cannot compete with Persian because legends like Ahmed Zahir do not sing in Pashto. If he would have also sung and composed in Pashto for 70 Million Pashtuns, he might have got more fans and Pashto might have got further respect. If you are Pashtun then at least you must do something for the language of your father, mother or grandparents.