Is Persian culture really superior to Islamic culture ?

[DaZahroJaam.]

islam is a religion, not a culture.

[Entropy]

islam is a religion, not a culture.

religon is the foundation kiddo culture is build on religon

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Al Hanif, sometimes you say some insightful things, but often you say some dense and asinine goofy sh*t that needs calling out.

About 90% of those edifices pictured are designed according to the Architectural Patterns of Medieval Persia.

Either you're just trolling or you simply run your mouth without a clue. Either way stop.

[Khostai]

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Yeah I also heard that east Europe and Russia the knights and the kings also had gay lovers.....

[Al Hanif]

Here is Berber/Moroccan/Moro Spanish Art.

Can you explain to me how exactly Persian Art is superior to mine ?

[khushal]

Al Hanif, your Arab arrogance has revealed your stupidity once again, go read a book for once in your life.

You do realize that most of what we have today is based on Persian intellectual foundation. The greeks inherited the Persian empire and all its knowledge which the greeks advanced and the muslims inherited it from the greeks and advanced it further and then the Europeans inherited it and have turned it to what we see today.

And khostai is right, that painting is from india and there is a thread on this forum about sculptures and statues in southern india in the same manner.

Before Islam, the Arabs were very good at burying their daughters alive.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Homosexuality, prostitution and child abuse is widespread across the muslim world. Morocco is the most popular destination for sex tourism after Thailand.

On the other hand, architecture is not inspired by quran. There are many non muslim architectures who build beautiful stuff.

[Al Hanif]

Al Hanif, your Arab arrogance has revealed your stupidity once again, go read a book for once in your life.

You do realize that most of what we have today is based on Persian intellectual foundation. The greeks inherited the Persian empire and all its knowledge which the greeks advanced and the muslims inherited it from the greeks and advanced it further and then the Europeans inherited it and have turned it to what we see today.

And khostai is right, that painting is from india and there is a thread on this forum about sculptures and statues in southern india in the same manner.

Before Islam, the Arabs were very good at burying their daughters alive.

I am laughing because every single rebbutal against me in this thread is either based on inaccurate facts, or is simply a lie.

Not a single relevant argument has been brought to me yet.

Being absolutely free from any form of pride unlike many people here, your personnal attacks against me only make me laugh.


I started this thread because a member of this forum claimed that Persian culture was superior to others.

So who is the arrogant one ? I never claimed Berber culture to be superior to any other.

Of course I did not believe her because I know for a fact that Europeans are liars who have an Euro-centric point of view and that they always tend to shut down the accomplishments of other people, especially Arabs.

But let's make a summary of this thead.

First argument. First inaccuracy. I pointed out the fact that Persians were not the first architects in the muslim world while it was Arabs who made the Dome of the Rock in 691 CE. Can you show me a piece of architecture that looks better than this, made during the same time by Persians ?


But let's forget Arabs for a moment because you think I am defending them.

Civilization was created by Sumerians and Babylonians who weren't Persians.

They were middle-eastern people. And Egyptians were Africans.

Can you explain to me how Persian culture is better than Sumerian or Egyptian culture ? Except for the fact that they were'nt indo-europeans and thus subhumans like Arabs according to Europeans, what makes Persian carpets so superior to Pyramids ?



Second argument. Second lie. I am not an Arab and I do not have a single drop of Arab blood in me.


Actually many Berbers are racist against Arabs but I am not one of them because I am an honest man looking for the truth.

Unlike Persians and Europeans, I do not have an inferiority complex towards Arabs to be racist against them.

My people made many accomplisments, undisputed by historians.

Only ignorant people like European and American peasants think we are Arabs when we actually have our own genetic heritage, our own alphabet (unlike Persians who use Arabic alphabet), our own culture and our own history.

Many people here, have they been in my position, of being lighter skinned than Arabs would have started hating on them because of arrogance.

But again, I am an honest man free of pride. Show me the proof that Persians have a superior culture and I will accept the fact gladly.



Third argument. Third lie. Berbers never buried their daughters. Berber were Pagans or Jews or Christian before Islam.

Actually Berber women had more power than men before Islam.


Fourth argument. Fourth lie. The picture is from an Iranian book from the 15th century.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Book_with_sexual_content_15th_century_Iran_003_cr.jpg

khushal I will now ignore your contributions to this thread because I decided that you do not have the intellectual abilities to engage in a civilized conversation.

You are on the same level as RTR and I leave you to each other.

Homosexuality, prostitution and child abuse is widespread across the muslim world. Morocco is the most popular destination for sex tourism after Thailand.

On the other hand, architecture is not inspired by quran. There are many non muslim architectures who build beautiful stuff.

Sex tourism. Again it is Europeans who do this sick stuff.

Can you show me pederasty practises within Berber culture or beastiality pictures made by Berbers ?


I remain unconvinced by your arguments.

Islamic architecture is deeply inspirated by the Holy Qur'an.

Images are strictly forbidden because of Idolatry so the muslim architects surpassed each other in calligraphy to respect this obligation.


Talking to ignorants like Yasmeenah (who thinks Persians have a superior culture, what an arrogant claim !) and khushal (who thinks berbers buried their daughters, maybe they were aliens too ?) and Shalamwar (who thinks Islamic architecture is not inpired by the Holy Qur'an) might sound like a waste of time but I actually have some time to waste.


To end my intervention by a musical note. Here is one of my favorite piece of "Black muslim culture".

Can you explain to me how this jazz composition is inferior to indo-european Persian music ?



Idris Muhammed - House Of The Rising Sun - YouTube

[Bengal_Tiger]

A couple of points.


1. The Greeks took/copied or "stole" a lot of their ideas and inventions from Mesopotamia and Egypt.

The Egyptians were an African people, probably Hamitic, thus cousins of the Semites.

The Mesopotamians, incorrectly labelled by one of the ignorant trolls above as "Persians", were in fact Semites e.g. Sumerians and others.

They had nothing to do with "Persians".



2. For a "Berber" i.e. Amazigh to be called "Arab" can be as offensive as a Pashtun being called a Punjabi, or a Turk being called an "Arab".

The Imazaghen ("Berbers" - a derogatory foreign term) are an ancient race who produced great civilizations and even Roman emperors.

I have/had Amazighi friends e.g. Soussi, Kabyle etc and trust me they hate being called Arabs.

It is like someone calling me a "Pakistani" or saying "Bangladesh/Pakistan it's all very similar" (no it isn't, we are 1,000 miles away from them).


Anyway a lot of ignorant people on this forum with big egos e.g. RevolutionThroughStupidity, Shamlawar Kharsani and Khushal all of whom I fortunately block as reading their stupidity and ignorance is simply amazing at times.



Aside from that Al-Hanif is correct. Many of the arrogant and ignorant trolls above are products of unquestioning and blind regurgitation of western/Euro-centric "scholarship" which follows an agenda (though it claims not to) of emphasizing the achievements of European or related Indo-European or light-skinned peoples over the achievements of others, examples of which there are countless.

[Al Hanif]

Thank you Bengal_Tiger it is a pleasure and a relief to have a smart person like you posting in my thread !

[khushal]

IFirst argument. First inaccuracy. I pointed out the fact that Persians were not the first architects in the muslim world while it was Arabs who made the Dome of the Rock in 691 CE. Can you show me a piece of architecture that looks better than this, made during the same time by Persians ?

The dome of the rock is based on Persian architecture. The technique of making a transition from a square shaped room to a circular dome, was devised by the ancient Persians. The Sassanid initiated the construction of the first large-scale domes in Persia, with buildings as the Palace of Ardashir, Sarvestan and Ghaleh Dokhtas. So any dome building including the white house in Washington DC, and mosques and churches all over the world is Persian architecture.
Checkmate.

Can you explain to me how Persian culture is better than Sumerian or Egyptian culture ? Except for the fact that they were'nt indo-europeans and thus subhumans like Arabs according to Europeans, what makes Persian carpets so superior to Pyramids ?

no one is really better than anyone. People learn from each other. The Persians learned much from earlier civilizations but the fact is that they advanced what they learned.

Second argument. Second lie.I am not an Arab and I do not have a single drop of Arab blood in me.


Actually many Berbers are racist against Arabs but I am not one of them because I am an honest man looking for the truth.

Unlike Persians and Europeans, I do not have an inferiority complex towards Arabs to be racist against them.

My people made many accomplisments, undisputed by historians.

Only ignorant people like European and American peasants think we are Arabs when we actually have our own genetic heritage, our own alphabet (unlike Persians who use Arabic alphabet), our own culture and our own history.

Many people here, have they been in my position, of being lighter skinned than Arabs would have started hating on them because of arrogance.

But again, I am an honest man free of pride. Show me the proof that Persians have a superior culture and I will accept the fact gladly.

Putting down others is a sign of low self esteem because it makes you feel better. You may claim not to be arab, but you like to attach yourself only to their achievements another sign of low self esteem. You must realize that we are all part of humanity and you should not feel shame in whatever ethnic group you belong to.

Third argument. Third lie. Berbers never buried their daughters. Berber were Pagans or Jews or Christian before Islam.

Actually Berber women had more power than men before Islam.

I said Arab, not berber. I have a berber friend and he told me that when you guys get married and on the first night with your wife, you put the white sheet on public display so every one can see that there is virgin blood on it to prove to everyone that the girl is pure. This is another sign of low self esteem.

Fourth argument. Fourth lie. The picture is from an Iranian book from the 15th century.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ran_003_cr.jpg

khushal I will now ignore your contributions to this thread because I decided that you do not have the intellectual abilities to engage in a civilized conversation.

You are on the same level as RTR and I leave you to each other.

we need better sources than Wikimedia.

Sex tourism. Again it is Europeans who do this sick stuff.

Can you show me pederasty practises within Berber culture or beastiality pictures made by Berbers ?


I remain unconvinced by your arguments.

Islamic architecture is deeply inspirated by the Holy Qur'an.

Images are strictly forbidden because of Idolatry so the muslim architects surpassed each other in calligraphy to respect this obligation.


Talking to ignorants like Yasmeenah (who thinks Persians have a superior culture, what an arrogant claim !) and khushal (who thinks berbers buried their daughters, maybe they were aliens too ?) and Shalamwar (who thinks Islamic architecture is not inpired by the Holy Qur'an) might sound like a waste of time but I actually have some time to waste.


To end my intervention by a musical note. Here is one of my favorite piece of "Black muslim culture".

Can you explain to me how this jazz composition is inferior to indo-european Persian music ?



Idris Muhammed - House Of The Rising Sun - YouTube

hahaha, It is you who thinks that berbers are inferior because of your low self esteem.

[Al Hanif]

Not answering to him again but just so you know ye who is reading this that is not true the dome of the Rock was not made as a transition from a square shaped room to a circular dome as can be clearly seen in these pictures it has a circular shaped basis.

The dome of the rock is based on Persian architecture. The technique of making a transition from a square shaped room to a circular dome, was devised by the ancient Persians. The Sassanid initiated the construction of the first large-scale domes in Persia, with buildings as the Palace of Ardashir, Sarvestan and Ghaleh Dokhtas. So any dome building including the white house in Washington DC, and mosques and churches all over the world is Persian architecture.
Checkmate.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Thank you Bengal_Tiger it is a pleasure and a relief to have a smart person like you posting in my thread !

The fact is it is very offensive for most Imazighen ("Berbers") to be called "Arab" by people who are supposed to be educated like the supposed intellectuals of PF.

Imazighen and Arabs in Morocco are quite different.


- Imazighen are more conservative, especially the Riffs of the north.

Moroccans have complained to me how it is always the Arabs or "Uroobees" (a term meaning Arab but also lowlander) in Morocco adopting western culture e.g. kissing in public, bikinis on the beach.


- Imazighen are more Islamic and religious.

The leader of Adl wal Ihsan is himself a Soussi "Berber". Adl wal Ihsan is the Ikhwani "Islamist" party in the Moroccan government.

However there are some Imazighen in remote areas who know very little about Islam but in general, the Riffis, Soussis etc are more religious than the Arabs and also generally more honest and decent. I have lived in Syria and I can see the similarity between the Moroccan Arabs and the Syrians in terms of dishonesty and hypocrisy, though the Moroccan Arabs are still no way as bad as the Syrians.


- Imazighen have more solidarity and are less jealous.

Though Imazighen "Berbers" and Arabs have lived in the same country for centuries, blood and culture still plays a part in how different they can be. Arabs including Moroccan Arabs are well known for their jealousy. They don't like to see others successful and do not like to work together, one reason why the mainly Arab community of Moroccans in the UK (mainly from Larrache in the north) is not that successful whereas the mainly Riffi community of Moroccans in Holland and Belgium are more organized, unified and successful.

Imazighen (in Morocco, I don't know about Algeria) like to help each other. Arabs don't.


Morocco is an Arabophone Muslim country with Amazighi blood.



Famous Imazighen.



Myriam Abel, a Kayble "Berber" (Amazighi...to call an Amazighi a "Berber" is like calling a Pashtun a "Pathan"). Many of the Kabyle are blonde due to possible Germanic blood (Vandals who crossed over from Spain). However the original Imazighen are distantly related to the Arabs.

There are also black Imazighen e.g. Tuaregs, and even some Imazighen said to have Mongoloid genetic influence e.g. some in the Atlas.





Another Kabyle.






Roman Emperor, Serverus, said to be Amazighi from Roman North Africa.







Tariq bin Ziyad, the conqueror of Gibraltar, an Amazighi.



The Imazighen are the native, indigenous, people of North Africa and are proud of their distinct identity, language and culture. Long may it flourish and may Arab imperialism perish.

[Al Hanif]

What you wrote is true. I might just add that Morrocco is not an "arabophone country".

Amazigh is also an official language and is taught in schools and a large part of the population (eldery people and people in the mountains) can't even understand a word of Arabic.

[khushal]

Not answering to him again but just so you know ye who is reading this that is not true the dome of the Rock was not made as a transition from a square shaped room to a circular dome as can be clearly seen in these pictures it has a circular shaped basis.

The dome of the rock itself was not transitioned dumbasss. Architecture was transitioned from the simple triangle(which is a tent or t-pee) to a square to the dome. It were the Persians that made the transition from the square to the dome.