FSA raises a giant Islamic flag in Syria

[ډګروال]

Syria - foreign Jihadists raise giant Islamic Caliphate-flag - YouTube

[Badlun]

Muslim world is really complicated. I am at the horns of dilemma! Between two fires!

On the one hand we have dictators like Mubarak and Assad and on the other hand there are Jihadis, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Ikhwans and religious bigots.

The goal will be democracy but reaching there we have to first defeat dictators then religious bigots and then we will reach to the destination: secular democracy .

The same is happening in Egypt and Tunisia. The same almost happened in Pakistan. Turkey is another pattern: from so called caliphate to secular democracy

Malaysia, Indonesia are fine. Central Asia still have dictators but Azerbaijan can be a model. At least in Central Asia we do not have religious bigotry. Non Arab Africa is also struggling for a dictator free and religious bigotry free democracy.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I think Egypt is going the Islamic direction especially when its government was usurped corruptly and with false claims of popular support; this only will legitimize

Attaturkism has failed in Turkey; Turks have seen the propsperity an Islamic Government can create and now will never return. Only a small segment of Turkish population can object; but these were people who were brainwashed during that time. It will take another two generations before they eventually fade away.

Malaysia is a great Islamic country and only becoming more Islamic; They're proof that they don't need secularism nor do any other Muslims.

Secularism in the end is really a brainwashing system which makes people think delusional ideas and does not help the society.

[Karachi]

Muslim world is really complicated. I am at the horns of dilemma! Between two fires!

On the one hand we have dictators like Mubarak and Assad and on the other hand there are Jihadis, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Ikhwans and religious bigots.

The goal will be democracy but reaching there we have to first defeat dictators then religious bigots and then we will reach to the destination: secular democracy .

The same is happening in Egypt and Tunisia. The same almost happened in Pakistan. Turkey is another pattern: from so called caliphate to secular democracy

Malaysia, Indonesia are fine. Central Asia still have dictators but Azerbaijan can be a model. At least in Central Asia we do not have religious bigotry. Non Arab Africa is also struggling for a dictator free and religious bigotry free democracy.

it is this complication that has burned the muslim world for so long, there is no unity in anything even with in the same sects

[Badlun]

I think Egypt is going the Islamic direction especially when its government was usurped corruptly and with false claims of popular support; this only will legitimize

Attaturkism has failed in Turkey; Turks have seen the propsperity an Islamic Government can create and now will never return. Only a small segment of Turkish population can object; but these were people who were brainwashed during that time. It will take another two generations before they eventually fade away.

Malaysia is a great Islamic country and only becoming more Islamic; They're proof that they don't need secularism nor do any other Muslims.

Secularism in the end is really a brainwashing system which makes people think delusional ideas and does not help the society.

Malaysia is half non Muslim. How it can become totally Islamic?

Turkey is secular for the last many decades and once it will be Islamic then we will talk on it. So far only the ruling party has religious inclinations.

If secularism can help the society of the almost the whole non Muslim world especially developed democratic society then how it will not help Muslim society?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Malaysia is managing to do it somehow

Turkey is secular these days by name only really, of course it is still dealing with the last remnants of secularism; In fact I admire Turkey's approach; just keep things secular by name and then slowly change the social consciousness and make it official.

Secularism has many damaging affects on a society; a secular society seems only capable to "prosper" by exploitation. Furthermore Secularism only works for one type of culture. At this moment Most of the world has secular governments; How many are Wealthy and Prosperous? Maybe 5-10 and they're only prosperous because they exploit everyone else. It doesn't work for the planet at large.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Syria - foreign Jihadists raise giant Islamic Caliphate-flag - YouTube

This is not FSA. This is harakat ahraar as-shaam

[Soprano]

I think Egypt is going the Islamic direction especially when its government was usurped corruptly and with false claims of popular support; this only will legitimize

Attaturkism has failed in Turkey; Turks have seen the propsperity an Islamic Government can create and now will never return. Only a small segment of Turkish population can object; but these were people who were brainwashed during that time. It will take another two generations before they eventually fade away.

Malaysia is a great Islamic country and only becoming more Islamic; They're proof that they don't need secularism nor do any other Muslims.

Secularism in the end is really a brainwashing system which makes people think delusional ideas and does not help the society.

Unlike you , Ive been to Turkey plenty of times and your assumption is totally wrong. Most Turks dislike Religion as a whole. There are more Clubs and Bars than Mosques there.

Also Turk love their Alcohol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rak%C4%B1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efes_Beverage_Group

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Soprano it seems you were drunk on raki. Only a small portion of turkey is secular. Heartland is pretty much the same as any other muslim country.

[Soprano]

Soprano it seems you were drunk on raki. Only a small portion of turkey is secular. Heartland is pretty much the same as any other muslim country.

No my dear Sir , Im not drunk whatsoever. Im also sorry to burst your bubble but the majority of Turks dislike Islam. All the Southern Tourist spots plus Istanbul, turks would laugh at someone like you (no diss) .

Im also talking about turks here not kurds. Kurds do like Islam and wish for return of Islam in Turkey.

[$hiva]

No my dear Sir , Im not drunk whatsoever. Im also sorry to burst your bubble but the majority of Turks dislike Islam. All the Southern Tourist spots plus Istanbul, turks would laugh at someone like you (no diss) .

Im also talking about turks here not kurds. Kurds do like Islam and wish for return of Islam in Turkey.

If it wasn't for Turks, there wouldn't be any Islam today because the effeminate Arabs would have been rolled over and ruled by Crusaders.

[Soprano]

If it wasn't for Turks, there wouldn't be any Islam today because the effeminate Arabs would have been rolled over and ruled by Crusaders.

Im talking about the current Turks ! Not the Ottomans.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Again i think you were drunk when you visited turkey. Maybe even still drunk right now.

[$hiva]

Again i think you were drunk when you visited turkey. Maybe even still drunk right now.

Are you saying you have never had an alcoholic drink?

You seem like an adventurous type, I bet you tried some Alcoholic drink in one of those parties in order to impress your white friends and not be just another boring Muzlim.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Unlike you , Ive been to Turkey plenty of times and your assumption is totally wrong. Most Turks dislike Religion as a whole. There are more Clubs and Bars than Mosques there.

Also Turk love their Alcohol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rak%C4%B1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efes_Beverage_Group

"Newbie" and "Wikipedia" ; enough said.